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[Radical Plato]

Yes, many people make a living caring for the elderly. Just like many are employed at the welfare office. But the fact is that caring for the elderly, as is giving other people's money to support other people who don't or can't support themselves is a net lost to society. It cost us money. What if we were all elderly and infirmed? How could we generate wealth? Why are you having difficulty grasping this very obvious concept other than that it does not comport with your belief that everything we do is related to enhancing our survival?

I'll say it again: spending resources: money, labor, equipment, hospital space, caring for the elderly, infirmed, deformed, mentally deficient... is a net cost to society. They produce nothing and contribute nothing to society but cost a lot to maintain. They are a net lost. A liability. They do not enhance our wealth, progression or quality of life and therefore our survival. But we take care of them anyway.

Hi Adolf  

And plenty of what if's.  What if we were all getbiggers, what if we were all molluscs, what if we were all space aliens, what if we all were hermaphrodites..... 

[pellius]

agreed

You agree with this?

Religion is needed now more than ever. There's a reason the OP made this post. With no higher meaning life seems hollow and pointless. In a world where there really is no  transedant concept of right and wrong but all is just a matter of person opinion. Where it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether or not you are a good or bad person, then of course life ceases to have any meaning. Nothing really matters.

[OB1]

You agree with this?

Religion is needed now more than ever. There's a reason the OP made this post. With no higher meaning life seems hollow and pointless. In a world where there really is no  transedant concept of right and wrong but all is just a matter of person opinion. Where it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether or not you are a good or bad person, then of course life ceases to have any meaning. Nothing really matters.

I disagree.
Religion should be banned.
One shouldn't need imaginary friends to cope with life.

On a side note:
Religion caused estimated 15 million deaths for Christianity and a mere 2 million for Islam up until today.

[pellius]

There is no God, hope this helps.

It is like saying get it right with some anonymous galaxy out the back of yonder, just nonsense, and only a desperate fool would put his faith in nonsense.  What can I say, the world is full of desperate fools.

There is a God. Hope this helps.

"When a man stops believing in God he doesn't then believe in nothing, he believes anything."

-- G.K. Chesterson

[OB1]

"When a man stops believing in God he doesn't then believe in nothing, he believes anything."

-- G.K. Chesterson

Doesn't make any sense...

[Radical Plato]

There is a God. Hope this helps.

"When a man stops believing in God he doesn't then believe in nothing, he believes anything."

-- G.K. Chesterson

1) Proove it

2) To believe in God is to believe in anything.  

3) And judging by these photos, Chesterson was definitely a permabulker getbigger

[OB1]

Doesn't look very smart.
Just like his quote.

[pellius]

Hi Adolf  

And plenty of what if's.  What if we were all getbiggers, what if we were all molluscs, what if we were all space aliens, what if we all were hermaphrodites.....  

Actually, in my customarily long winded and verbose thesis I only use the phrase "What if?" once. And it was in the context of the very familiar and common argument used to determine the efficacy, clarity or goodness of a given situation or decision and that is the "What if everybody did that?"

I was pointing out the obvious condition that caring for the elderly is a cost to society. Because Da Vinci seems to have difficulty grasping that obvious fact because some people do make a living in caring for the elderly. So if we were all elderly no income will be generated. Similar to the ones who have difficulty grasping the concept that the government does not create wealth. So a government job does nothing for the economy. Sure people who work for the government get paid but the money they get has been taken by the government from other tax payers in the private sector. So the government really can't give anybody anything simply because it has nothing to give. What it "gives" to one person it has taken from someone else. And for those who can't understand that you use the "What if everybody did that argument?" If we all worked for the government no one would get paid.

[Radical Plato]

Doesn't look very smart.
Just like his quote.

More.  His diet could do with some fine tuning, maybe he skipped the religious texts on gluttony.

[OB1]

More.  His diet could do with some fine tuning, maybe he skipped the religious texts on gluttony.

Most likely.
Typical selective reader.

[Radical Plato]

Actually, in my customarily long winded and verbose thesis I only use the phrase "What if?" once. And it was in the context of the very familiar and common argument used to determine the efficacy, clarity or goodness of a given situation or decision and that is the "What if everybody did that?"

I was pointing out the obvious condition that caring for the elderly is a cost to society. Because Da Vinci seems to have difficulty grasping that obvious fact because some people do make a living in caring for the elderly. So if we were all elderly no income will be generated. Similar to the ones who have difficulty grasping the concept that the government does not create wealth. So a government job does nothing for the economy. Sure people who work for the government get paid but the money they get has been taken by the government from other tax payers in the private sector. So the government really can't give anybody anything simply because it has nothing to give. What it "gives" to one person it has taken from someone else. And for those who can't understand that you use the "What if everybody did that argument?" If we all worked for the government no one would bet paid/

Caring for children also comes at a cost to society.  So if we were all children then what?  See, such arguments make no sense.  The fact is the world is comprised of countless variations of human life.  And you are right, what we give to one has been taken from the other, so it stands that what has been given to the elites has been taken from the majority.  So what you are saying it is OK for the ultra rich to plunder the poor but not OK for the poor to ask for a fraction of it back.

[pellius]

I disagree.
Religion should be banned.
One shouldn't need imaginary friends to cope with life.

On a side note:
Religion caused estimated 15 million deaths for Christianity and a mere 2 million for Islam up until today.

So you believe in laws that dictate what people should believe? Is this what your atheistic beliefs teaches you?

This was certainly the belief that the God-less political philosophy, Communism and Nazism, preach and practiced.

On a side note: Communism was responsible for nearly a 100 million deaths in less than 40 years. Nazism clocked in at 25 million.

[Radical Plato]

So you believe in laws that dictate what people should believe? Is this what your atheistic beliefs teaches you?

This was certainly the belief that the God-less political philosophy, Communism and Nazism, preach and practiced.

On a side note: Communism was responsible for nearly a 100 million deaths in less than 40 years. Nazism clocked in at 25 million.

Everyone believes in laws that dictate what people should believe? Our entire legal system is based upon it.

And stop selling communism, just because capitalism has killed more than communism doesn't mean capitalism is worse.

[pellius]

1) Proove it

2) To believe in God is to believe in anything.  

3) And judging by these photos, Chesterson was definitely a permabulker getbigger

You first.

[Radical Plato]

You first.

Prove what. The philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others.  (Russell's teapot)

[OB1]

So you believe in laws that dictate what people should believe? Is this what your atheistic beliefs teaches you?

This was certainly the belief that the God-less political philosophy, Communism and Nazism, preach and practiced.

On a side note: Communism was responsible for nearly a 100 million deaths in less than 40 years. Nazism clocked in at 25 million.

I don't believe in laws.
I don't believe you should dictate people anything.
I am not atheist.
I have no atheist beliefs.
I thought we discuss religion?

On a side note: Captalism 205,000,000 deaths with 18,000,000 deaths each year due to systemic poverty.

[pellius]

Caring for children also comes at a cost to society.  So if we were all children then what?  See, such arguments make no sense.  The fact is the world is comprised of countless variations of human life.  And you are right, what we give to one has been taken from the other, so it stands that what has been given to the elites has been taken from the majority.  So what you are saying it is OK for the ultra rich to plunder the poor but not OK for the poor to ask for a fraction of it back.

You completely and entirely missed the point I was making in using you as an example. It totally just sailed over you head.

And you really, absolutely haven't the slightest clue as to how wealth is created and how our economy works. Not the slightest clue. That a Bill Gates, working in the private industry, actually created wealth and made this country more prosperous, whereas the government, creating nothing, just confiscates part of that wealth via taxation.

Wow! I mean, really, really wow! I am truly and absolutely stunned as to how uneducated you are. I really, really am.

Just blown away.

Is anybody else getting this?

"The rich plunder the poor and it's not OK for the poor to ask for a fraction of it back."

Holy shit! I really just can't get over the absolute colossal ignorance.

Do you have a job? When you get your pay check do you feel that you are being plundered by the business owner and you want some of it back? Just a fraction of it?

RP, how old are you and how much formal education have you had?

[OB1]

Is anybody else getting this?
"The rich plunder the poor and it's not OK for the poor to ask for a fraction of it back."

Well, basically it's like that.

[pellius]

Everyone believes in laws that dictate what people should believe? Our entire legal system is based upon it.

And stop selling communism, just because capitalism has killed more than communism doesn't mean capitalism is worse.

The laws of the US dictates that I believe in Christianity?

You're not conflating rules, laws of behavior, with someone's personal metaphysics, are you?

And I'm selling Communism... wait a minute, why am I even arguing with you. Your previous post to this one just confirmed to me that you are probably one of the most uneducated person on this board. I just printed out your post and can't wait to show it to a good friend of mine who is an econ professor at the University of Hawaii. It will make for a good hearty laugh and then a moment of sad introspection at the quality of people our society is producing.

How old are you and how much education do you have? Now if you are embarrassed to answer this question I understand and will stop asking but man I've just got to know.

You really have no idea just how ignorant you are. Not a clue.

[pellius]

Prove what. The philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others.  (Russell's teapot)

Read your own post. "There is no God".

You made the assertion first, so prove it.

And I've already admitted countless times times, even on this very thread, that I can't prove the existence of God. That it is a matter of faith. In fact, I think it I had that discussion with YOU!

Holy motherfucking shit! You really are stupid. I mean, like retarded stupid.

And the Russell tea pot example was him admitting that he himself also couldn't prove the non existence of God just like he can't prove that there isn't a tea pot orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter. Then later joking that he considers the existence of God just as likely.

You get stupider and stupider with each succeeding post. You try to sound smart by referring to Russell but yet you've never read the actual book, "Why I'm Not a Christian" he wrote that contained that quote.

How old are you and how much formal education do you have?

And if it is possible for a god to appear out of nowhere, I see no reason why a Universe could also.

True. Either God always existed or the universe always existed. Both are matters of faith. So it's fallacious when one accuses the other of being stupid for believing in fairy tales that can't be proven.

[pellius]

I don't believe in laws.
I don't believe you should dictate people anything.
I am not atheist.
I have no atheist beliefs.
I thought we discuss religion?

On a side note: Captalism 205,000,000 deaths with 18,000,000 deaths each year due to systemic poverty.

The only prosperous countries practice some form of Capitalism.  Even China, a Communist country move to a more free market economy while maintaining. There is a reason why the US is the richest country in the world.

If Capitalism causes so much poverty and death why do you live here. Why don't you move to a more Socialist country where instead of private property, a hallmark of Capitalism, the government owns more of what you have.

No laws, eh? So people can do whatever they want?

So you don't dictate, i.e, tell others how to behave and what they should believe? Have you ever raised kids? If not, how would you raise them since you don't believe in dictating a value system?

So if you are not an atheist then you believe in a higher power?

We may have discussed religion and if we have I don't remember you as I discuss religion with so many members on this board.

Do you have a link or a source where you got that statistics that Capitalism kills 18 million people a year because of poverty.

I mean, forgive me for doubting you but the vast majority of deaths due to poverty is in Africa. None of which practice Capitalism or a free market economy and are all run by corrupt governments.

[OB1]

Which law did prevent a crime for example?

Imho kids learn mostly through example.
I think you know if you tell a kid "do this... do that..." it is likely to do the opposite.

Higher power?
It is not higher.

link

[pellius]

Which law did prevent a crime for example?

Imho kids learn mostly through example.
I think you know if you tell a kid "do this... do that..." it is likely to do the opposite.

Higher power?
It is not higher.

link

Which law did prevent a crime for example?

 Are you serious? You are committing the fallacy of asking me to prove something that didn't happen.

You really believe that laws, rules, where there are consequences to violating really have no effect on behavior. Of course, no law or rule will ever completely eliminate a behavior but just because you can't eliminate all behavior it doesn't mean you shouldn't try to eliminate some or the majority of such behavior.

Let me ask you  that if there were no laws and no consequence to stealing, rape and murder would we get more of it. less of it or would it stay the same? I personally witness what happens when the laws broke down and the police just left for two weeks during the LA riots.

Obviously you have never raised kids and absolutely if you tell a kid to do something he will more than likely do it and if not, he will suffer the consequences which, if severe enough, will change his mind. I once told my parents "no" when they said it was time for me to go to bed. Once.

I was taught the value of good manners so I was told that when an adult enters the room you are to stand up and greet him. I do this to this very day. It was not something that came naturally. I had to be taught and told what to do. Just like eating with a fork or chopstick when I rather eat with my hands at the time.

Instead of being coy and playing girlie games just be straight up. You don't believe in a God and don't believe in a higher power. Do I have to keep guessing. Just speak plainly and enough with this faggotry.

I beginning to understand why you get death threats. And if there weren't any laws or consequences I would just kill you myself.

Man, are there some really off the wall characters here. I'm still recovering at how absolutely uninformed and uneducated Radical Plato is. It's truly breathtaking. 

[OB1]

Which law did prevent a crime for example?

 Are you serious? You are committing the fallacy of asking me to prove something that didn't happen.

You really believe that laws, rules, where there are consequences to violating really have no effect on behavior. Of course, no law or rule will ever completely eliminate a behavior but just because you can't eliminate all behavior it doesn't mean you shouldn't try to eliminate some or the majority of such behavior.

Let me ask you  that if there were no laws and no consequence to stealing, rape and murder would we get more of it. less of it or would it stay the same? I personally witness what happens when the laws broke down and the police just left for two weeks during the LA riots.

Obviously you have never raised kids and absolutely if you tell a kid to do something he will more than likely do it and if not, he will suffer the consequences which, if severe enough, will change his mind. I once told my parents "no" when they said it was time for me to go to bed. Once.

I was taught the value of good manners so I was told that when an adult enters the room you are to stand up and greet him. I do this to this very day. It was not something that came naturally. I had to be taught and told what to do. Just like eating with a fork or chopstick when I rather eat with my hands at the time.

Instead of being coy and playing girlie games just be straight up. You don't believe in a God and don't believe in a higher power. Do I have to keep guessing. Just speak plainly and enough with this faggotry.

I beginning to understand why you get death threats. And if there weren't any laws or consequences I would just kill you myself.

Man, are there some really off the wall characters here. I'm still recovering at how absolutely uninformed and uneducated Radical Plato is. It's truly breathtaking. 

"...if severe enough will change his mind."
I doubt that. Might not work on a strong individual.

Speaking of kids...
I certainly don't want to introduce a being to this insane dimension so to speak.

If someone wants to really do something he/she is likely to ignore all laws/rules.
The prisons are full of them minus the innocent.
A law/rule is no guarantee for specific behaviour.
That's what I basically wanted to say.

Well you could try to kill me but I doubt you will be successful.

I know there is a "power" but I refuse to give it attributes since it will be limiting to said "power".

English is not my native and I'm known to use too less words so communication might suffer.

Radical Plato is one of the most intelligent and wise here imho.
Opinions vary I guess.

[Sokolsky]

You agree with this?

Religion is needed now more than ever. There's a reason the OP made this post. With no higher meaning life seems hollow and pointless. In a world where there really is no  transedant concept of right and wrong but all is just a matter of person opinion. Where it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things whether or not you are a good or bad person, then of course life ceases to have any meaning. Nothing really matters.

The reason I made this thread is due to having been stuck inside for the majority of a week.
Which was slowly driving me insane due to having absolutely 0 stimuli or opportunity to vent, being isolated and incapacitated.

If it is spirituality you're speaking of, I'd agree to a certain point, as I find Alan Watts audio-tapes (without music) and Immanuel Kant (and others) interesting reads.

Religion has not once added anything to my life. Nor will it ever. As both the reads are terrible and the practices are to laugh at.
I will give credit to religion for having been a stepping-stone, and a first attempt at any guidelines of which to life by.
But as any first attempt at anything, it blatently and outright sucks.