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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #275 on: February 12, 2016, 07:00:25 AM »
Explains the lack of serenity

Actually, just the opposite. In my own small way I made the world a little better place. One less low life and scumbag to terrorize other people. I had a tuna sandwich and watched SNL after I was released.
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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #276 on: February 12, 2016, 07:01:01 AM »
Religion is more like a last option for some people. When everything else has been tried and failed, they turn to a religion.

There are many ways to find meaning in life, now more than ever.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #277 on: February 12, 2016, 07:01:08 AM »
This is really a serious issue for you, isn't it? The existence of God, ethical monotheism, and what is life's transcendent meaning, if it even has one, is a big joke to you but your age and education is serious business.

What are you hiding?
The issue isn't a serious one for me, I don't see any point in getting my blood up regarding matters of creation.  It is simply a fun exercise for me.  My worldview has led me to become quite content with my feelings on the matter, so always find it odd when others get really worked about their take on spiritual matters.
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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #278 on: February 12, 2016, 07:04:51 AM »
Actually, just the opposite. In my own small way I made the world a little better place. One less low life and scumbag to terrorize other people. I had a tuna sandwich and watched SNL after I was released.
Slept like a baby.

What you're illustrating is how the problem of evil is resolved....one soul transformed by Christ at a time.  The unrepentant heart doesn't acknowledge sin or it's effects upon this world.  They blame God for the evil of men and the natural tragedies of this world.  All are tied to the swelling effects of our sin that is once again coming into it's fullness.  With each soul made righteous in Christ the collective pool of sin is diminished and the problem of evil resolved a bit more.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #279 on: February 12, 2016, 07:07:11 AM »
Religion is more like a last option for some people. When everything else has been tried and failed, they turn to a religion.

There are many ways to find meaning in life, now more than ever.

This point is always raised as though it's a negative.  "People often turn to God as a last resort when they've hit rock bottom." 

Exactly, Jesus Christ is the rock - our firm foundation.  When folks hit rock bottom they crash right into the rock who's patiently waiting on them.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #280 on: February 12, 2016, 07:08:53 AM »
What you're illustrating is how the problem of evil is resolved....one soul transformed by Christ at a time.  The unrepentant heart doesn't acknowledge sin or it's effects upon this world.  They blame God for the evil of men and the natural tragedies of this world.  All are tied to the swelling effects of our sin that is once again coming into it's fullness.  With each soul made righteous in Christ the collective pool of sin is diminished and the problem of evil resolved a bit more.
He was talking about the time he killed someone.
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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #281 on: February 12, 2016, 07:09:41 AM »
Actually, just the opposite. In my own small way I made the world a little better place. One less low life and scumbag to terrorize other people. I had a tuna sandwich and watched SNL after I was released.
Slept like a baby.
Didn't make the world a better place for that tuna.  ;D
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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #282 on: February 12, 2016, 07:10:44 AM »
As Raymondo said, from the perspective of today's human condition religion is becoming increasingly more irrelevant to folks.

As a believer I don't function within the scope of the human condition he's referring to which is a fully Godless state steeped in sin.....the unrepentant human condition.

So I agree that today's average Joe exists in this condition in which the desire for God is slowly fading away and the deception of God's spiritual enemies has a firm hold.  

Now, from a Christian worldview, that does not conform to the standards of this world, I recognize the absolute need for Jesus Christ......the repentant human condition.

Believers and unbelievers process virtually every aspect of the repentant human conditoin in reverse.  What believers know as good they see as evil and vice versa.

For most unbelievers (and atheists in particular) there is simply no drawing upon their lives from God and hence they deem all things of God as nonsense.  They have zero comprehension of the spiritual world around them and demand proof, but fail to realize (or acknowledge when told) that the ability to know the things of God and discern the things of God requires surrendering in humble, respectful faith to the will and purposes of God.  He engages those that desire to know him, not those that dismiss or hate him.

The entire struggle between theism and atheism is a believer's effort to share the gospel and give reasons for the hope of God within them while for some unbelievers the effort is to justify and reason away every bit of the believer's position.  

This atheistic suppression of the truth of God's reality (that everyone already understands within themselves as true) can't be overcome unless God first draws them out.  Our efforts as believers are to help find these folks with a desire for Christ.  The majority are so deep in personal suppression, deception by God's spiritual enemies and a clear desire to engage in sin (which equates to hatred of God) are slowly but surely sealing their eternal fate.  

I long for them, but can't help them.  

Most in this state would read the words of my post and meet it with "blah, blah, blah.....Christian rhetoric nonsense....blah, blah, blah".   I pray their lives can be changed for God, but in the meantime they can continue to fills themselves to overflowing with every explicit desire they can imagine because their existence will abruptly change when they enter God's realm.  As much as my heart breaks for them they will reap a divine, wrathful judgment (that they deserve) and will come to fully understand the folly of their life's pursuit forever.    

I just pray I can be used by God to help intervene for these folks before their lives on earth come to an end.    

MOS, this is obviously a very deep and involved and, dare I say, serious subject. I have to go but I'm keeping this page up so I can do it justice. I just read the first paragraph when I realized that I don't want to just skim through it.

But reading the first paragraph let me respond for clarification.

Sure, people today consider religion or even having a value system higher than one's self. That you have to answer and account to something other than yourself (and as you know we can be VERY understanding and forgiving when it comes to  our own personal failings and sins).

But that is why religion is more relevant than ever before. Because it has been tossed aside. Can anyone argue that as society has become more secular that people today compared with people fifty years ago are more civil, more honest, more decent, more modest, more considerate, have better manners, are less profane, have higher morals, less promiscuous..... the list goes on.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #283 on: February 12, 2016, 07:11:30 AM »
He was talking about the time he killed someone.

You're right.  I misread and thought he was referring to himself.

My point still holds though even if I misunderstood pellius' context.

Thanks for the clarification....haven't read the thread fully.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #284 on: February 12, 2016, 07:12:46 AM »
MOS, this is obviously a very deep and involved and, are I say, serious subject. I have to go but I'm keeping this page up so I can do it justice. I just read the first paragraph when I realized that I don't want to just skim through it.

But reading the first paragraph let me respond for clarification.

Sure, people today consider religion or even having a value system higher than one's self. That you have to answer and account to something other than yourself (and as you know we can be VERY understanding and forgiving when it comes to  our own personal failings and sins).

But that is why religion is more relevant than ever before. Because it has been tossed aside. Can anyone argue that as society has become more secular that people today compared with people fifty years ago are more civil, more honest, more decent, more modest, more considerate, have better manners, are less profane, have higher morals, less promiscuous..... the list goes on.

Yes, essentially what you've stated here is what I illustrated in my post.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #285 on: February 12, 2016, 07:15:12 AM »
I agree on the joy of Carmel Delight but when I reach for Edy's, I go for their Fudge Brownie

Fudge brownie and anal are similar...  ;D
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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #286 on: February 12, 2016, 07:15:42 AM »

As a believer I don't function within the scope of the human condition he's referring to which is a fully Godless state steeped in sin.....the unrepentant human condition.
 

This is such an extraordinary statement I think it must have been copied from another context and crudely transposed here.

Unless your faith changed your body so it is now consisted of gamma rays, the human condition is as relevant to you as to anybody.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #287 on: February 12, 2016, 07:16:43 AM »
You're right.  I misread and thought he was referring to himself.

My point still holds though even if I misunderstood pellius' context.

Thanks for the clarification....haven't read the thread fully.
No worries MOS, this is getbig, no one reads a thread fully.
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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #288 on: February 12, 2016, 07:17:35 AM »
No worries MOS, this is getbig, no one reads a thread fully.

LOL, truer words have never been posted here!

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #289 on: February 12, 2016, 07:17:55 AM »
What you're illustrating is how the problem of evil is resolved....one soul transformed by Christ at a time.  The unrepentant heart doesn't acknowledge sin or it's effects upon this world.  They blame God for the evil of men and the natural tragedies of this world.  All are tied to the swelling effects of our sin that is once again coming into it's fullness.  With each soul made righteous in Christ the collective pool of sin is diminished and the problem of evil resolved a bit more.

I agree and it is so beautifully written that I am going to save it. Is this your words?

But in all fairness and full disclosure, I don't think I transformed this particular soul. Maybe I should have aimed lower so my chances of getting a last minute conversion would have been better. I never really thought about this until just now. In a small, but not insignificant way, you have just given me a new and better perspective.

You are a much better man than I am, MOS.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #290 on: February 12, 2016, 07:21:31 AM »
This is such an extraordinary statement I think it must have been copied from another context and crudely transposed here.

Unless your faith changed your body so it is now consisted of gamma rays, the human condition is as relevant to you as to anybody.

Just my thoughts.

Per the norm, you're speaking from a worldly condition with a mix of the scientific and I'm referring to a spiritual condition.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #291 on: February 12, 2016, 07:23:30 AM »
Just my thoughts.

Per the norm, you're speaking from a worldly condition with a mix of the scientific and I'm referring to a spiritual condition.

Honestly, I don't know if these are your thoughts, it appears the thinking has already been done for you, your job is only to repeat it. It seems you misunderstand the term "human condition". I've seen this happen a number of times now, you assign meaning to terms that have no relation to reality, a meaning twisted to fit highly fundamendalist religious purposes.

The sentence I quoted is pure nonsense, sorry.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #292 on: February 12, 2016, 07:24:24 AM »
I agree and it is so beautifully written that I am going to save it. Is this your words?

But in all fairness and full disclosure, I don't think I transformed this particular soul. Maybe I should have aimed lower so my chances of getting a last minute conversion would have been better. I never really thought about this until just now. In a small, but not insignificant way, you have just given me a new and better perspective.

You are a much better man than I am, MOS.

They are my words and I mean them sincerely.  I give all glory to God and take no credit for myself.  

I believe every person on this site has a heart - a condition - that can be transformed into a state of righteousness through Jesus Christ.

I'm no better than anyone else.  Just a wretch of man made new in Christ.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #293 on: February 12, 2016, 07:24:51 AM »
Yeah that style of dog training is based on a bullshit study done on wolves decades ago.  It was believed that in a wolf pack that a dominant wolf would emerge and become the alpha.  The research was carried out using non related wolves in captivity, when in fact, wolves in the wild live in families: two parents along with their younger cubs. Wolves do not have an innate sense of rank; they are not born leaders or born followers. The "alphas" are simply what we would call in any other social group "parents."

Positive reinforcement is probably just as effective and definitely a more loving way to treat a dog.  But the alpha model still resonates with the insecure and the weak who desperately seek an outlet for their need to dominate something weaker than themselves. That's not to say dogs don't display social dominance, it's just not so black and white.  Dominant behavior and dominance relationships can be highly situational, and can vary greatly from individual to individual.

I've found my dog adapted well to different rules for different settings - no bs allowed at work, plenty of leeway in relaxed situations, and with voice and hand signals he seems to understand when the rules are being turned on.  Kelpie/heeler mix tho, so mid sized, and always naturally friendly so I didn't see any need to squash his natural cheekiness 24/7.  People with gigantic dogs should probably stick to the constant discipline model but I like being able to be his friend.  I don't think the 'be the leader all the time' school of training gives dogs enough credit.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #294 on: February 12, 2016, 07:26:00 AM »
Honestly, I don't know if these are your thoughts, it appears the thinking has already been done for you, your job is only to repeat it. It seems you misunderstand the term "human condition". I've seen this happen a number of times now, you assign meaning to terms that have no relation to reality, a meaning twisted to fit highly fundamendalist religious purposes.

The sentence I quoted is pure nonsense, sorry.

Again, my thoughts put into words.

Yes, I understand my words being deemed nonsense.  I address that notion fully in my previous post.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #295 on: February 12, 2016, 07:32:54 AM »
Again, my thoughts put into words.

Yes, I understand my words being deemed nonsense.  I address that notion fully in my previous post.

Yes please feel free to repeat yourself as many times as you like.

Your interpretation of the term "human condition" is probably as ludicrous as the claim you made the other day that all your arguments stem from facts and evidence.

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« Reply #296 on: February 12, 2016, 07:37:34 AM »
Yes, many people make a living caring for the elderly. Just like many are employed at the welfare office. But the fact is that caring for the elderly, as is giving other people's money to support other people who don't or can't support themselves is a net lost to society. It cost us money. What if we were all elderly and infirmed? How could we generate wealth? Why are you having difficulty grasping this very obvious concept other than that it does not comport with your belief that everything we do is related to enhancing our survival?

Da Vinci, like I said, I considered you a intelligent and thoughtful person but it now seems to me that you are not as interested in the truth but in promoting your agenda.

I'll say it again: spending resources: money, labor, equipment, hospital space, caring for the elderly, infirmed, deformed, mentally deficient... is a net cost to society. They produce nothing and contribute nothing to society but cost a lot to maintain. They are a net lost. A liability. They do not enhance our wealth, progression or quality of life and therefore our survival. But we take care of them anyway.

 I think you miss the point. Which is - these old/ill people create a huge industry for OTHER people to be able to have a job at, literally millions can survive out of that. Id we wouldn't spend money on their drugs, pharma would go out of bussiness, many people would lose jobs, nurses would loose jobs, health care professionals, a huge chain reaction. Just like in nature - someone took a shit, and someone ate it (flyes), for sme it's shit, for some it's gold. Idk how is that not related to survival. Have you seen how it is in India for ex, where noone pays for taking care of old/crippled? They just lie on the street and often die there. Just one of the examples.

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Why do you avoid the simple question that do you believe that man and animals should have the same basic rights? And if not, why not if you consider humans and animals all the same? To claim that you have never thought of the rights of all living things and in the same breath claim that you have been contemplating the great issues of life for your entire life rings a bit hollow.

I believe that all livin organisms have the same rights by default. To kill, or to be killed. That's pretty much it. And the fact that animals and humans have different rights is simply due to the fact that we are stronger, we don't care much about other live beings, we are driven by our own interest in personal survival.

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And I think it is unfortunate, but not surprising because of the secularization of our culture, that you believe that man is no different from an animal. That you are basically the same as a toad, a snake, a mongoose or a wild turkey.

I've thtought long and hard back in the day and couldn't find any serious differences. They are living exactly the same existence as we do, just brain capacity differs, so the same actions and results manifest in different ways, but they are still the same.

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An animal acts purely on instinct. It takes what it wants if it can get away with it (steals), it mates with whomever it wants (rape),  and attacks whomever it doesn't want around.

Just like a small kid who hasn't been indoctrinated "how to behave" yet, by a more intelligent human.

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An animal has no moral sense. It doesn't think in terms of right or wrong. What surprises me is that so many agree with you. You have called everybody reading this thread that they are no better than animals. They either agree with you or too cowardly to speak up against such a grave insult. By calling someone an animal you rob them of their humanity -- their heart and their soul. When they look at themselves, their parents and all that they sacrificed, their children of whom they have given so much, when you consider the real heroes in this world that have sacrifice their lives for the benefit of others -- when they look at all this all they see are fellow animals that somehow developed a modesty that demands that they wear clothes. Just animals really no different from a hyena, a crocodile, a trigger fish, or a timber wolf.

No need to look far, take radical muslims, they are pretty much apes with clothes on. We are a little bit more intelligent and don't kill as openly as they does. BTW - I don't think being an animal is bad or something, I have no idea why is that negative. I just accept it like it is. Humans - sophisticated animals. Survival machines, just like any other, just more effective ones.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #297 on: February 12, 2016, 07:50:52 AM »
Yes please feel free to repeat yourself as many times as you like.

Your interpretation of the term "human condition" is probably as ludicrous as the claim you made the other day that all your arguments stem from facts and evidence.


Of course you feel this way.  There's no surprises here.  Two worldviews diametrically opposed....."God lovers" and "God haters".  I know the old cliches "can't hate something that doesn't exist" and "we don't hate God we just don't believe in God".  Problem is if you willfully engage in sin you hate God whether you make every attempt to suppress him or not.  

Trust me, I find most atheist's words to be equally full of nonsense and illogic.  I just don't offer that sentiment up as freely and often as you do because most often it doesn't serve a good purpose to do so.   It's shocking for so many, but I can actually dialogue with someone I don't agree with and never insult them or pepper my replies with little potshots.  And if you go on casually insulting me (which I doubt you'll admit to) our conversation will abruptly end.  I won't tolerate it anymore by anyone.  You can disagree with me completely and not insult me....it is possible.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #298 on: February 12, 2016, 08:04:09 AM »
Of course you feel this way.  There's no surprises here.  Two worldviews diametrically opposed....."God lovers" and "God haters".  I know the old cliches "can't hate something that doesn't exist" and "we don't hate God we just don't believe in God".  Problem is if you willfully engage in sin you hate God whether you make every attempt to suppress him or not.  

Trust me, I find most atheist's words to be equally full of nonsense and illogic.  I just don't offer that sentiment up as freely and often as you do because most often it doesn't serve a good purpose to do so.   It's shocking for so many, but I can actually dialogue with someone I don't agree with and never insult them or pepper my replies with little potshots.  

Nice non-sequitur, but I did not offer any worldview nor any personal attacks.

My assertion is that fundamendalism twists the meaning of words for its own purposes and the evidence is in your writing, as your use of words indicates a special meaning other than the one commonly understood. It is not difficult to imagine where that meaning comes from.


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If you feel slighted by some imaginary insult, just go. Noone's keeping you here. I gave you a definition of personal attack in a previous thread, you obviously did not bother with it.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #299 on: February 12, 2016, 08:10:15 AM »
Nice non-sequitur, but I did not offer any worldview nor any personal attacks.

My assertion is that fundamendalism twists the meaning of words for its own purposes and the evidence is in your writing, as your use of words indicates a special meaning other than the one commonly understood. It is not difficult to imagine where that meaning comes from.


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If you feel slighted by some imaginary insult, just go. Nothing's keeping you here. I gave you a definition of personal attack in a previous thread, you obviously did not bother with it.

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20 What sorrow for those who say
    that evil is good and good is evil,
that dark is light and light is dark,
    that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter.


Yes, we're done because you're incapable of dialogue without insult.  You can define your behavior from sunup to sundown and you're still insulting.