This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown

[Raymondo]

Yes, we're done because you're incapable of dialogue without insult.  You can define your behavior from sunup to sundown and you're still insulting.  

I think your insistence that I insult you is a bit passive aggressive. Also, it is a form of hostility and an excuse to avoid a debate.

[Man of Steel]

I think your insistence that I insult you is a bit passive aggressive. Also, it is a form of hostility and an excuse to avoid a debate.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  "an excuse to avoid debate".....I have thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of posts defending my faith in debate.

I'm just reached my threshold of tolerance for folks that can't engage without insulting....been doing this for years before you ever jumped in the mix.

Folks simply can't help themselves with insults and those that insult jump right on the bandwagon:

[Sokolsky]

We appear to have gotten a little sidetracked.

^^

Never fails to get me up and going with a smile.

[Yamcha]

We appear to have gotten a little sidetracked.

^^

Never fails to get me up and going with a smile.

LOVE THE TITLE CHANGE! 

[OB1]

LOVE THE TITLE CHANGE! 

Yeah.
Thanks.
 

[da_vinci]

I think your insistence that I insult you is a bit passive aggressive. Also, it is a form of hostility and an excuse to avoid a debate.

He said he doesn't read my replies anymore at all. And that was merely because I'm just too good at arguing this stuff, he feels way too much discomfort reading what I write as it's an obvious threat to his "god belief". It's always like that, that's why I avoid any kind of discussion regarding this matter with people that I care about in real life and who are deeply religious (they start avoiding me, you just can feel that).

[Raymondo]

He said he doesn't read my replies anymore at all. And that was merely because I'm just too good at arguing this stuff, he feels way too much discomfort reading what I write as it's an obvious threat to his "god belief". It's always like that, that's why I avoid any kind of discussion regarding this matter with people that I care about in real life and who are deeply religious (they start avoiding me, you just can feel that).

I don't read your posts either. No offence.

[Man of Steel]

He said he doesn't read my replies anymore at all. And that was merely because I'm just too good at arguing this stuff, he feels way too much discomfort reading what I write as it's an obvious threat to his "god belief". It's always like that, that's why I avoid any kind of discussion regarding this matter with people that I care about in real life and who are deeply religious (they start avoiding me, you just can feel that).

If you really believe this I'm perfectly fine with that.  

As I noted previously I don't engage with you because you're beyond being reasoned with.  

I simply recognized that quality early on and I was absolutely correct in my assessment.

I did read your posts early on and have already answered every single objection you've put forth in the recent past.  Given that I directed you to my post history.

Again, if you feel better thinking "MOS won't debate me because he knows he can't win".......LOL.....that's fine. 

I don't share my faith here to "win a debate".....that holds no value for me whatsoever.   I bring glory to Jesus Christ and take nothing for myself.

[SF1900]

If you really believe this I'm perfectly fine with that.  

As I noted previously I don't engage with you because you're beyond being reasoned with.  

I simply recognized that quality early on and I was absolutely correct in my assessment.

I did read your posts early on and have already answered every single objection you've put forth in the recent past.  Given that I directed you to my post history.

Again, if you feel better thinking "MOS won't debate me because he knows he can't win".......LOL.....that's fine. 

I don't share my faith here to "win a debate".....that holds no value for me whatsoever.   I bring glory to Jesus Christ and take nothing for myself.

I know you're done with me lol. But, don't you think its kind of ironic to say that davinci cannot be "reasoned with?"

This coming from the guy who said that he would still believe in JC and God, even if it was proven (lets pretend that we found some way to prove/disprove God/JC) that they did not exist. How is that reasonable in any sense? lol Its the TOTAL opposite of reason.

[da_vinci]

I don't read your posts either. No offence.

U just did. Owned,

[da_vinci]

I know you're done with me lol. But, don't you think its kind of ironic to say that davinci cannot be "reasoned with?"

This coming from the guy who said that he would still believe in JC and God, even if it was proven (lets pretend that we found some way to prove/disprove God/JC) that they did not exist. How is that reasonable in any sense? lol Its the TOTAL opposite of reason.

His intelligence is too low to grasp this,

[Man of Steel]

I know you're done with me lol. But, don't you think its kind of ironic to say that davinci cannot be "reasoned with?"

This coming from the guy who said that he would still believe in JC and God, even if it was proven (lets pretend that we found some way to prove/disprove God/JC) that they did not exist. How is that reasonable in any sense? lol Its the TOTAL opposite of reason.

I'd actually be interested in seeing that post again and the surrounding context.

[Man of Steel]

His intelligence is too low to grasp this,

I don't claim to be super smart....I'm not.   There are plenty of things said in some of these threads that go over my head.

[Raymondo]

This point is always raised as though it's a negative.  "People often turn to God as a last resort when they've hit rock bottom."  

Exactly, Jesus Christ is the rock - our firm foundation.  When folks hit rock bottom they crash right into the rock who's patiently waiting on them.

Interesting metaphor, but it's only a metaphor. It sounds clever but it really isn't.

Unless people have been raised within a religious tradition, they will not seek the help of an imaginary being unless everything else has been tried and failed. The fact that said imaginary being is not their first choice means it does not rate highly enough for them to choose it.

[Man of Steel]

Interesting metaphor, but it's only a metaphor. It sounds clever but it really isn't.

Unless people have been raised within a religious tradition, they will not seek the help of an imaginary being unless everything else has been tried and failed. The fact that said imaginary being is not their first choice means it does not rate highly enough for them to choose it.

You may not know this, but just because you say something is ridiculous or ludicrous or nonsense doesn't make it so.

Have witnessed and read about dozens and dozens of examples that contradict that.

[Raymondo]

Have witnessed and read about dozens and dozens of examples that contradict that.

You have no real evidence that a supernatural being magically transform them just as you have no evidence that said being exists at all.

Submitting, on the other hand, to an authoritarian tradition that goes back 2,000 years can definitely change your life. For better or worse. Any such tradition would do that. There are plenty in the world, all just as valid as each other.

[Man of Steel]

You have no real evidence that a supernatural being magically transform them just as you have no evidence that said being exists at all.

Submitting, on the other hand, to an authoritarian tradition that goes back 2,000 years can definitely change your life. For better or worse. Any such tradition would do that. There are plenty in the world, all just as valid as each other.

There's plenty of real evidence.....you just reject it....that simple.   Lives instantly and radically changed upon public profession of faith in Christ is powerful to witness.  I share that experience with you.   I fear you'll simply reason that away with some form of "anecdotal evidence is meaningless". 

[Raymondo]

There's plenty of real evidence.....you just reject it....that simple.   Lives instantly and radically changed upon public profession of faith in Christ is powerful to witness.  I share that experience with you.   I fear you'll simply reason that away with some form of "anecdotal evidence is meaningless".  

There is a simpler mechanism at play. It's called suggestion. Humans are highly susceptible to it. That's all it is. A plausible explanation which leaves no need for a supernatural one.

[Man of Steel]

There is a simpler mechanism at play. It's called suggestion. Humans are highly susceptible to it. That's all it is. A plausible explanation which leaves no need for a supernatural one.

What is the more plausible explanation you're offering?

[Raymondo]

It's called suggestion.

[Man of Steel]

You're just stating that all I'm doing is suggesting an event?  

[Raymondo]

You're just stating that all I'm doing is suggesting at event?  

No... suggestion is a psychological process. It is how people accept something (anything) in the absence of verifiable evidence.

Here is a link I just found that you can read.

[Man of Steel]

No... suggestion is a psychological process. It is how people accept something (anything) in the absence of verifiable evidence.

Here is a link I just found that you can read.

Ok so you're saying that "the supernatural work of God" in these folks is the suggestion, correct?

[Raymondo]

Ok so you're saying that "the supernatural work of God" in these folks is the suggestion, correct?

Yes. The degree to which people change their lives through religion is a result of suggestion and community-based support. Nothing supernatural.

[Man of Steel]

Yes. The degree to which people change their lives through religion is a result of suggestion and community-based support. Nothing supernatural.

I read the article by the way.

It's a great little article.  Only thing it doesn't consider is all evidence available for God...it just casually reasons it away on the grounds of opinion...that means nothing in terms of truth.  I've read and been confronted with this type of stuff before.  

It's grossly inaccurate and subjectively based.

I've had personal, physical encounters with the Holy Spirit, angels and demons.  I've known others that have heard the audible voice of God (my father has).   I've known others that have encountered both angels and demons (both physical manifestations and the overwhelming, tangible presence of Jesus Christ and demonic forces).  

You won't believe a word of this.  You'll say prove it.  I am the proof....my life changed is proof.  You'll dismiss that as insufficient and nothing.  

Requiring evidence of the supernatural to be validated under strict scientific terms that apply to the natural is a category mistake.  

Simply classifying it as "suggestion" doesn't add anything but subjectivity.  There's nothing factual in that.  There's nothing universal in that. 

When validating God's existence and who he is you do so according to his terms as outlined in his inspired scripture, you listen to testimonies of believers, you seek the Lord in prayer.

We have historical proof of Jesus' life and ministry, archeological proof of biblical people and places, manuscript proof of biblical reliability via the field of textual criticism, multiple independent attestations that agree closely on the facts of Jesus Christ's life/death/resurrection, proof via logic (God as source of logic, TAG argument, Kalam Cosmological argument), extra-biblical accounts that validate the historicity of Jesus Christ's ministry/death/resurrection, the ministry and death of Jesus' apostles after his ascension, the fulfillment of biblical prophecy spanning hundreds of years between initial prophecy and fulfillment, the intelligent design of the universe, the utter improbability of the intricate structure of the universe without a designer and the testimonial evidence of millions and millions of Christ's followers today.  This isn't an exhaustive list either.

The problem with evidence is that our presuppositions and subjectivity often determine our judgment of evidence even prior to reviewing said evidence (that is if it's ever reviewed).  

If you enter the Christian worldview then you're addressing the divine, sovereign creator of all and he's not required by or subject to any demands.  In order to understand him we must be willing to submit to his terms and forgo our own.