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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #100 on: March 19, 2006, 08:53:09 PM »
once again ... religion is a way to avoid dealing with death ....

That and a nice emotional crutch when bad things happen.  (not to mention a swell instrument of social control).

Karl Marx didn't know shit about economics, but he sure had religion pegged correctly.  ;D

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« Reply #101 on: March 19, 2006, 08:54:41 PM »

$20 says he pulls the "You're going to hell, but I'll pray for you" bit.  ;D


They're so damn predictable!

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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #102 on: March 19, 2006, 08:55:28 PM »
Thank God I'm an athiest.

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« Reply #103 on: March 19, 2006, 08:56:16 PM »
Jesus is Lord and Saviour of all man-kind. God is real and ever present. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is the True Church.

Nuff said

You think your max set is hard? Try dying on a cross.

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« Reply #104 on: March 19, 2006, 08:56:40 PM »
God is an incredible spotter.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

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« Reply #105 on: March 19, 2006, 08:59:19 PM »
That and a nice emotional crutch when bad things happen.  (not to mention a swell instrument of social control).

Karl Marx didn't know shit about economics, but he sure had religion pegged correctly.  ;D



"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people"

marx flaw was he didnt understand the notion of a "prisoners dilemma" ... bascially he assumed people were farsighted and unselfish .... other than that he was a genious ;D


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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #106 on: March 19, 2006, 09:02:32 PM »
Jesus is Lord and Saviour of all man-kind. God is real and ever present. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is the True Church.

Nuff said


Well, you've convinced me with your well-reasoned, thought-out, and fully supported argument.


I'm converting to Catholicism tomorrow!  ::)
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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #107 on: March 19, 2006, 09:14:11 PM »
Jesus is Lord and Saviour of all man-kind. God is real and ever present. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is the True Church.

Nuff said

You think your max set is hard? Try dying on a cross.


HA! Assuming you're not being sarcastic...Which I'm hope you are.

PROVE IT! Prove what you said. Prove Jesus is "Lord". Prove God is real. Prove he's ever present..Prove it all and watch me tear it apart like a wet paper bag!

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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #108 on: March 19, 2006, 09:15:59 PM »
prove god isnt a giant intergallactic purple elephant with a hexagon cock

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« Reply #109 on: March 19, 2006, 09:16:51 PM »

HA! Assuming you're not being sarcastic...Which I'm hope you are.

PROVE IT! Prove what you said. Prove Jesus is "Lord". Prove God is real. Prove he's ever present..Prove it all and watch me tear it apart like a wet paper bag!
they can't prove shit.

thats why they call it faith instead of fact.

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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #110 on: March 19, 2006, 09:21:56 PM »


The Lord wants each and every one of you to get up from your computer,and send me a thousand dollars.

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« Reply #111 on: March 19, 2006, 09:59:44 PM »
That and a nice emotional crutch when bad things happen.  (not to mention a swell instrument of social control).

Karl Marx didn't know shit about economics, but he sure had religion pegged correctly.  ;D



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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #112 on: March 19, 2006, 10:03:17 PM »
I can't blame something that doesn't exist now can I?

No...If my problems have a cause I blame that cause. Wether it be me or nature or whatever else. I don't blame some supernatural deity thought up by jewish goat herders 4,000 years ago.



It's simply a copout to say "Well God's ways are mysterous so I can't explain why horrible things happen..But rest assured God has a plan!"



It doesn't matter if they are refering to the "Moabites" or not. God says "Don't hold your sword back." A moral God isn't a vengeful jealous and war waging God.




REASON? You call believing the earth was formed only 6,000 years ago Reasonable?(Contrary to geological and radiometric evidence)


You call believing God made man in present form Reasonable?(Contrary to fossil,  geological and biological evidence)


You call believing a man lived inside of a whale reasonable?(Contrary to all logic!)

You call believing the entire earth was flooded and 2 of each animal was brought upon a ship to repopulate?(Contrary to geological and biological evidence. There is no geological evidence of a "Global flood". A global flood isn't possible considering there just is not enough water on the planet to cover the entire planet. Secondly You would need DOZENS of individuals of a species inorder for it to repopulate. Haven't you ever heard of  "effective population size"? 2 of a single species or even 20 of a single species would not be able to effectivly reproduce and repopulate due to inbreeding.
Making the entire Noah story impossible.



Why should I obey something that 1.Doesn't exist and 2.If it did exist would be an evil tyrant?



Fathers discipline their children...They DO NOT kill them,Torture them and send them down into a burning pit. IF they did they would be arrested and imprisoned.



(Watch Fred not respond to any of my points and go on into another rant!)

"ALL" of your arguments are SERIOUSLY flawed. Unfortunately, regardless of anything I could possibly say or present, you most assuredly would not contemplate a possible alternative to your opinion, even if the alternative is fact which is SUBSTANIATED by science, not refuted by it.

First, God created the earth much more than 4000 years ago.

I never said "God works in mysterious ways." You said that. I said His ways are above our ways.

Second, it DOES matter if they are Moabites. Because the scripture YOU quoted refers directly to the Moabites. I guess it doesn't matter if you refuse to speak of FACTS.

Third, I find it very interesting that you think that you are in a greater position than God to determine what "morals" are. You sure have a lot of confidence in yourself, even though you have no idea or no control over what your own future holds. God does, and He wants the best for you.

Fourth, fossil, geological and biological evidence is part of the reason I believe in God. You do realize that there is a not a "SINGLE" transitional form from one species to another documented in the fossil record!

Fifth, you have never heard of anything being swallowed whole? Besides, with God ALL things are possible! How many people do you know who were raised from the dead after three days? They said that was impossible, but Jesus did it, and appeared to HUNDREDS of witness. "He (Jesus) appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living (at the time of the writing of the book of 1 Corinthians) 1Corinthians 15:6

Sixth, there has been very convincing proofs documenting a global flood. By the way, how did the dinosaurs become extinct? If you wish to know how the human species was preserved through the line of Noah, the genealogy is written clearly in the Book of Genesis beginning in chapter 10 (with ACTUAL NAMES not speculations of how it is possible). Sorry, it's TRUE.

To say that God is 'evil' doesn't make any sense. The religious leaders in Jesus' day tried to make the same claim, " And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons."
So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come." Mat 3:22-26

God doesn't want to throw people into the burning pit. In fact, "He (God) is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2Peter 3:9

Please don't misunderstand my intent of these posts. It is my heart to tell everyone I know about the free gift of God's love. I mean absolutely no disrespect to you. In fact, you seem like a very intelligent person. I actually admire and respect you and your beliefs.

God Bless You.


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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #113 on: March 19, 2006, 10:07:49 PM »

HA! Assuming you're not being sarcastic...Which I'm hope you are.

PROVE IT! Prove what you said. Prove Jesus is "Lord". Prove God is real. Prove he's ever present..Prove it all and watch me tear it apart like a wet paper bag!

http://christiananswers.net/

Go through the site. But I'm sure you'll come up with some BS to try to contradict anything on there. But In short, theres more proof that Jesus existed that you have proof that he didn't!

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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #114 on: March 19, 2006, 10:13:32 PM »
http://christiananswers.net/

Go through the site. But I'm sure you'll come up with some BS to try to contradict anything on there. But In short, theres more proof that Jesus existed that you have proof that he didn't!

AMEN!!!!!!

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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #115 on: March 19, 2006, 10:15:05 PM »

The Lord wants each and every one of you to get up from your computer,and send me a thousand dollars.

Nice try.  "Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth." Proverbs 10:4 ;)

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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #116 on: March 19, 2006, 10:18:52 PM »
they can't prove shit.

thats why they call it faith instead of fact.

"Faith" in Christian terms is defined as; "Hope in things not yet seen, but to come"

"Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29

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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #117 on: March 19, 2006, 10:22:07 PM »

Which is why he created the burning pit to begin with, right?  ::)

That's kinda like saying "Hitler didn't want to send the Jews to the death camps".  I guess after he went to all the trouble to build them in the first place, he just couldn't help himself.  ::)

Give it up, I've owned you enough over the years on this subject, yet you never learn. I'm done ;D!

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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #118 on: March 19, 2006, 10:24:55 PM »

Which is why he created the burning pit to begin with, right?  ::)

That's kinda like saying "Hitler didn't want to send the Jews to the death camps".  I guess after he went to all the trouble to build them in the first place, he just couldn't help himself.  ::)

Hell wasn't created for people!

"'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." Matthew 25:41

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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #119 on: March 19, 2006, 10:29:39 PM »
The bible covers everything.  Everything happening today is prophesized.  Same with tons of shit that never happened either, but that is conveniently ignored by those who believe in bible prophecy.   ::)

Likewise, I'm sure there is a verse in the bible which says exercise is good.  Everything is covered so you can lead whatever kind of life you want and justify it with what's in the bible.

And the idea of hell is so cruel.  Not even Hitler deserves that.  The next time you are in a hot sauna or near a hot stove, picture the thought of that times 10,000 for eternity.  Yeah, some "loving god".  Christianity may be a good thing at times, but certainly not in the manner in which fundamentalists describe it.

BTW, the Bible does NOT say that exercise is NOT important. It says that "Spiritual Exercise" is more important.

You're right. A lot of people do try to justify their actions by using the Bible. However, it's almost impossible without using the Words out of context.

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« Reply #120 on: March 19, 2006, 10:30:57 PM »
"ALL" of your arguments are SERIOUSLY flawed. Unfortunately, regardless of anything I could possibly say or present, you most assuredly would not contemplate a possible alternative to your opinion, even if the alternative is fact which is SUBSTANIATED by science, not refuted by it.

I'm a reasonable person unlike you. Any refutations you provide I'll consider..But you can't provide any.

So give examples and address each of my points.


First, God created the earth much more than 4000 years ago.

The accepted bible Chronology is just over 6,000 years. This is what the bible imply's.

How old is the Earth?


I never said "God works in mysterious ways." You said that. I said His ways are above our ways.

Same thing. Saying his ways are "above ours" as to we can't comprehend them it's like saying they are mysterious to us. Same difference.




Third, I find it very interesting that you think that you are in a greater position than God to determine what "morals" are. You sure have a lot of confidence in yourself, even though you have no idea or no control over what your own future holds. God does, and He wants the best for you.

You're working from the assumption "God" exists. You haven't proven he does.

I'm more of a judge of morals than something that doesn't exist is.

You haven't addressed any of my points either concerning how many evils there are in the world that man can't possibly be responsible for..That Nature is responsible for..Meaning God made them.


Fourth, fossil, geological and biological evidence is part of the reason I believe in God. You do realize that there is a not a "SINGLE" transitional form from one species to another documented in the fossil record!

HAHAHA!!!

You really need to do your research.....

Let's just use a single example of one transition into another..Dinosaurs to Birds. Here are a few examples of known extinct species(fossils) that are transitions between dinosaurs and birds.

Sinosauropteryx prima

Ornithomimosaurs

therizinosaurs

oviraptorosaurs

Deinonychosaurs

Protarchaeopteryx

Archaeopteryx

Shenzhouraptor

Sapeornis

Enantiornithines

Patagopteryx

Apsaravis

yanornithids

Hesperornis

Ichthyornis

Gansus

Limenavis


Example of the Archaeopteryx.



Neither dinosaur or modern bird...But a "Transition" between the two that lived after dinosaurs died out and before modern birds evolved.

Info on it..

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html

http://www.origins.tv/darwin/dinobirds.htm


Some transitions of HUMAN ancestors from the smithsonian institute.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html



Fifth, you have never heard of anything being swallowed whole? Besides, with God ALL things are possible! How many people do you know who were raised from the dead after three days? They said that was impossible, but Jesus did it, and appeared to HUNDREDS of witness. "He (Jesus) appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living (at the time of the writing of the book of 1 Corinthians) 1Corinthians 15:6

The whales stomach acid would of killed jonah. There is NO PHYSICAL WAY he could of survived a month in the whales stomach! Haha!

There's no historical evidence Jesus was "Raised from the dead" either. The bible was written GENERATIONS after jesus supposedly died by UNKNOWN authors. It isn't evidence anymore than the Illiad is evidence of Zeus.


Sixth, there has been very convincing proofs documenting a global flood. By the way, how did the dinosaurs become extinct? If you wish to know how the human species was preserved through the line of Noah, the genealogy is written clearly in the Book of Genesis beginning in chapter 10 (with ACTUAL NAMES not speculations of how it is possible). Sorry, it's TRUE.

No evidence of a Global flood. If there is PROVIDE IT. I'll then refute it.

Secondly Dinosaurs became extinct due to change in the environment most likely due to a meteor strike hitting the earth. If the dinosaurs died in some massive flood there would be a SINGLE LAYER of sediment where the fossils lay. If they all died at the same time from a massive flood there would be a single geological layer with all of the dinosaurs(And humans who died from the flood) in it. This is NOT what we see..We see THOUSANDS of layers over millions of years and humans and dinosaurs are never found in the same undisturbed layers since they lived MILLIONS of years apart.


To say that God is 'evil' doesn't make any sense. The religious leaders in Jesus' day tried to make the same claim, " And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons."
So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come." Mat 3:22-26.

More ranting unrelated bible quotes. I say the "Bible God" is evil due to the evils he commited in the Bible. If there is a "God" he is either 1.Weak or 2.Evil. Weak if he can't fix the problems of the world or Evil because he won't. It's either one or the other logically. The evils in the world can't go hand in hand with a moral God...It's inconsistent.


God doesn't want to throw people into the burning pit. In fact, "He (God) is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2Peter 3:9


Yet in the bible God made Hell for that purpose. God made humans KNOWING before hand that many would end up in Hell. A moral god doesn't create something just to punish it later on. If he KNEW they would sin and burn in hell why did he then create them? Knowing they would suffer? A moral god would do no such thing.


Please don't misunderstand my intent of these posts. It is my heart to tell everyone I know about the free gift of God's love. I mean absolutely no disrespect to you. In fact, you seem like a very intelligent person. I actually admire and respect you and your beliefs.

God Bless You.



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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #121 on: March 19, 2006, 10:33:56 PM »
http://christiananswers.net/

Go through the site. But I'm sure you'll come up with some BS to try to contradict anything on there. But In short, theres more proof that Jesus existed that you have proof that he didn't!


I've read that whole site and all others like it. I can refute ANY argument they make for a "God" or against Evolution or whatever else.

Post a short exert from their site(No long massive articles) and I'll refute their argument...Whatever argument it is. ;)

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« Reply #122 on: March 19, 2006, 10:35:55 PM »
"Faith" in Christian terms is defined as; "Hope in things not yet seen, but to come"

"Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29




Faith is defined as a belief not supported by physical evidence or logical proof.(Dogma)

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Re: Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #123 on: March 19, 2006, 10:36:41 PM »
The funniest thing about all these well-constructed arguments...

We're ants arguing about astrophysics.  Whatever made us is beyond our comprehension.  None of us know anything.  I suspect some higher power created the hydrogen atom that caused the Big Boom to start, but that's just me.  

It's fun to argue, but we don't get to meet the referee til the game is over ;)

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« Reply #124 on: March 19, 2006, 10:36:59 PM »
BTW, the Bible does NOT say that exercise is NOT important. It says that "Spiritual Exercise" is more important.

You're right. A lot of people do try to justify their actions by using the Bible. However, it's almost impossible without using the Words out of context.


It says "Bodly exercise profits little". "Profits little" means it does not profit much. Meaning NOT IMPORTANT.