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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #175 on: June 21, 2016, 04:04:01 PM »
It's gonna happen.   It's perfectly legal for the RNC to just change the rule, allowing delegates to vote for whoever they want.  A couple hundred Trump delegates will bail the moment they get permission.

Then it's wide open.  Paul Ryan?   Cruz?  Ben Affleck or Tom Brady?   LOL!   

Trump is intentionally underachieving so they'll bounce him - he won't fight that hard.

Honestly, if it was anyone else, the Republicans probably win.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #176 on: June 22, 2016, 01:02:57 PM »
It's gonna happen.   It's perfectly legal for the RNC to just change the rule, allowing delegates to vote for whoever they want.  A couple hundred Trump delegates will bail the moment they get permission.

Then it's wide open.  Paul Ryan?   Cruz?  Ben Affleck or Tom Brady?   LOL!   

Trump is intentionally underachieving so they'll bounce him - he won't fight that hard.

Tom Brady....we've already had an actor as President.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #177 on: July 06, 2016, 04:32:21 PM »
Hail Mary.

Anti-Trump Forces Close to 'Conscience' Vote at Convention
By Greg Richter   |    Wednesday, 06 Jul 2016

Anti-Trump forces may be close to the 28 votes they need to allow delegates to the Republican National Convention to be "unbound" and vote against Donald Trump's nomination even though currently rules require them to vote for Trump at least on the first ballot, The Wall Street Journal reports.

According to a survey of delegates by the Journal, 20 members of the rules committee say they favor allowing delegates to be unbound and vote their "conscience," as suggested in June by House Speaker Paul Ryan, who will serve as the convention's chairman next week in Cleveland.

The magic number of 28 is one-fourth of the 112 total members of the Convention Rules Committee. Their approval would allow the issue to then go before the full convention.

In addition to the 20 who told the Journal they would consider allowing delegates to be unbound, 59 said they support leaving the rules as they are, which would mean Trump delegates would be required to vote for him on the first round. The remaining 33 either could not be reached or did not respond.

Other groups have gotten different numbers.

Internal surveys by the Rules Committee found 18 willing to vote to unbind. Trump's own campaign counted 15.

But committee member Kendal Unruh, who is part of the anti-Trump movement, said she has more than 30 commitments, though some will not admit so publicly.

If the effort does succeed at the committee level, it would need half of the total delegates' support (1,237) to pass.

Committee member Randy Evans, a Trump backer, has taken a survey that shows that only 890 delegates personally support Trump, while 680 don't back him, according to the Journal, leaving about 900 up for grabs.

The battle over Trump's controversial candidacy did not end when he captured the required 1,237 delegates needed to be named the presumptive nominee. Anti-Trump forces have continued their efforts to block his nomination at the convention, including through the so-called "conscience" vote.

"The last thing I would do is tell anybody to do something that's contrary to their conscience," Ryan said during a "Meet the Press" interview. "Of course I wouldn't do that."

Many anti-Trump delegates have taken that as a sign that Ryan, who has endorsed Trump but also been critical of some of his statements, supports their effort.

Mike Stuart, Trump's West Virginia co-chairman and a member of the Rules Committee, told the Journal he will seek reprimands of anti-Trump party members.

But committee member Gina Blanchard-Reed of Washington urged fellow members to vote as they feel led.

"If we are a party of liberty, what are we afraid of?" she said in an email to committee members. "What are we unwilling to do? Does it mean that Donald Trump would be denied the nomination? Possibly. Possibly not. He would come out of the Convention stronger if he won the nomination as a result of a FREE WILL vote."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/anti-Trump-forces-conscience-vote/2016/07/06/id/737428/#ixzz4DfryeC2o

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #178 on: July 06, 2016, 06:13:50 PM »
it'd be the TV show of the year - bigger than the game of thrones finale - if the repubs bounced Trump. 

they know he's a dem plant, but admitting it would undermine their party in a huge way.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #179 on: July 13, 2016, 09:39:16 AM »
Anti-Trump delegate in Virginia wins portion of lawsuit
Published July 11, 2016 
Associated Press

RICHMOND, Va. –  An anti-Donald Trump delegate to the Republican National Committee convention won a small legal victory Monday he hopes will provide a boost to longshot efforts at derailing the billionaire businessman from formally clinching the GOP presidential nomination.

But the ruling issued Monday by a federal judge in Richmond is limited in scope. It means that delegates cannot be obligated to vote in a winner-takes-all fashion, as stated in an obscure portion of Virginia election law. But the law in question was so obscure that Republicans had already decided to allocate delegates in a proportional fashion, based on the results of the state's March 1 primary, which Trump won. The ruling leaves that unchanged.

Still, Virginia delegate Carroll Correll Jr., who filed the lawsuit last month, counted the ruling as a symbolic victory.

"Requiring delegates to vote for any candidate is unconstitutional and today's announcement is a blow to Trump's efforts," said Correll.

Correll's lawsuit was backed by Citizens in Charge Foundation, which is part of a diverse group of Trump opponents still trying to find a way for the party to pick another candidate at next week's convention.

But Trump supporters scoffed at the notion that the ruling will have any noticeable effect.

"It will have no impact on the Virginia delegation," said John Fredericks, a Trump supporter who fought the lawsuit. "Nor will it have any long term ramification for Donald Trump's quest for the nomination on the first ballot."

At issue in the lawsuit was a previously ignored part of Virginia election law that mandates delegates to the national convention to vote in a winner-take-all fashion, instead of proportionally as Republicans had planned. Judge Robert E. Payne said Monday the winner-take-all portion of the state law was unconstitutional and can't be enforced.

The ruling means that Republicans can vote how they have always intended to — with the state's 49 delegates bound to vote proportionally based on the March 1 results — without fear of criminal prosecution. Though the changes of prosecution were always remote: state officials said before the ruling they had no plans to prosecute anyone for how they voted at the GOP convention.

Trump won Virginia's March 1 primary with about 35 percent of the vote, netting 17 delegates during the first round of voting at the convention. Delegates are unbound if there is a second round of voting.

The Republican National Committee's convention is next week, and Trump is the party's presumptive nominee and only candidate still running.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/11/anti-trump-delegate-in-virginia-wins-portion-lawsuit.html

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #180 on: July 14, 2016, 10:14:13 AM »
'Conscience' Vote Will Go to Convention Floor

Image: 'Conscience' Vote Will Go to Convention Floor (Getty Images)
By John Gizzi
Thursday, 14 Jul 2016
   
The "conscience clause” — a change in party rules that would unbind delegates from commitments made to any presidential candidate — is dominating convention talk as July 18 draws near.

Such a clause would say that every delegate is free to vote his or her conscience on the first ballot — despite state laws or party rules.

Every convention votes on its own rules, so if this year’s 1,237 Republican delegates wanted to unbind themselves, there is nothing to stop them.

On Sunday, Colorado delegate Kendal Unruh told participants that she is “planning to propose adding a ‘conscience clause’ to the convention’s rules so that there is no confusion about what delegates can do.”

Most delegates who spoke to Newsmax anticipated that a majority of the 112-member Rules Committee would vote down the "conscience clause." 

However, betting is strong that at least one-fourth of the committee — 28 members — will vote for the measure, thus requiring the full convention to debate and vote on it next week.

"I can state unequivocally we have the 28 votes," Unruh told Newsmax Wednesday.

Discussion of unbinding the delegates began at the General Session of the Republican National Committee on Wednesday afternoon.  On Thursday morning, the opening session of the convention Rules Committee is expected to have a robust debate on the issue.   

Members of the Free the Delegates organization founded by Unruh were busy buttonholing RNC members as they arrived in Cleveland. 

Moreover, Liz Mair's Make America Awesome organization has launched a nationwide on-line petition drive urging the Republican National Convention to enact the "Conscience Clause."

"I support the ‘Conscience Clause' because I believe strongly that no delegates should be bound to any candidate and they should be empowered to vote for whomever they want," Maine's Republican National Committeewoman Ashley Ryan told Newsmax. 

A backer of Ron Paul in '12 and Rand Paul this year, Ryan insisted her position "has nothing to do with Donald Trump.  I just believe in non-binding delegates."

But, for the most part, even delegates who are not enamored with the idea of Trump carrying their presidential standard told us that such a change in the way the party conducts its business at such a late date in the nominating process was likely to be voted down by a large margin.

"It's like giving a losing football team a fifth quarter to make up the runs they couldn't score earlier," David Norcross, counsel to the Rules Committee and former New Jersey state GOP chairman, told Newsmax, "Look we've built up this whole primary process and voters expect the process to be translated into results they supported at the national convention."

While admitting he would like to see "a little more spontaneity" in the modern conventions that appear so scripted, Norcross nonetheless said the rewriting of rules at the last minute would have negative results.

"It was a dumb thing to do at the end of the last convention to raise the number of states a candidate had as requirement for being placed in nomination," he said, "It was meant to protect Mitt Romney by denying Ron Paul a nomination speech and roll call.  All it did was upset his supporters. And Mitt didn't need any protecting."

Arkansas State Attorney General Leslie Rutledge agreed.  In her words, "a decision by the convention to ignore state law [requiring delegates to support the primary winner] would be serious.  It would cause serious problems with the elected legislature that passed the primary law and the voters who have entrusted the delegates with carrying out their will."

"The people spoke, and the delegates should honor the will of the people," Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin told Newsmax.

The concept of the "conscience clause" has been around for a while.  At the 1976 Republican National Convention, supporters of Ronald Reagan discussed (but later rejected) a similar proposal to try to put their man ahead of President Gerald Ford in their nip-and-tuck contest. 

Four years later, Democrat Ted Kennedy's presidential team brought up a "good conscience" clause in which delegates would vote as they choose but it was voted down by a convention dominated by incumbent President and eventual nominee Jimmy Carter.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Conscience-vote-cleveland-RNC/2016/07/14/id/738577/#ixzz4EP7L6QY0

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #181 on: July 14, 2016, 10:48:20 AM »
"Conscience vote" would 2 things.

End the trump campaign
End all future relevance of all future GOP primary voting.