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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2016, 06:53:31 PM »
Yes. Electrolux made great refrigerators. Then they closed the Greenville, Mi. plant and moved it to Mexico. Now their product is crap. Ask any repair man, Electrolux is now creating jobs. For refrigerator repairmen.

Would not be surprised if they were both partners... But everything sadly ends up lower quality after reputation is made or the business gets sold to someone who takes away everything good to make more profit.
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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2016, 06:54:18 PM »
Yes. Having been to Mexico many times and seen the quality of their production, from many different industries, I can say that the Mexican products are not nearly as high quality as when they were made in the US.


Very true.

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2016, 08:00:36 PM »
Hillary and the Republicans (except Ron and Rand Paul) supports jobs shipping to China and Mexico as she supports TPP trade deal.

Bernie STRONGLY opposes all trade agreements which ship any job overseas.





But is he pro-union?

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2016, 08:31:59 PM »
Gm is starting to make Cadillac hybrid in China. Ford is making some cars in Mexico. The reason we can't manufacture anything in the US is because of slave wages in other countries. The US economy is going to collapse if manufacturing isn't improved in America. Jobs in the service sector can't maintain the economy. 

Think of this. A can opener factory will employ truck drivers, secretaries, security guards, factory workers, management, accountants and others. You say who would want to work in a can opener factory? When I was young men working in factories owned cars, had a house and supported his wife and kids. This type manufacturing is completely gone in the US.

What needs to be done is there has to be a heavy tariff on imported goods coming into the US so American workers don't have to compete with slave wages in foreign countries.

Don't believe the lies about the employment numbers coming out of Washington. They are counting part time jobs and the incredible amount of low paying jobs. They refuse to include in the spin of fantastic employment numbers those who ran out of unemployment who just can't find a job anywhere. 

The massive amount of people living on social security disability is becoming the go to option for those who have just given up trying to get work and game the system to get government assistance without the stigma of welfare.

This is a country living on credit with mounting debt that will sink us into a depression that will make the first one seem like a joke.


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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2016, 08:47:25 PM »
Gm is starting to make Cadillac hybrid in China. Ford is making some cars in Mexico. The reason we can't manufacture anything in the US is because of slave wages in other countries. The US economy is going to collapse if manufacturing isn't improved in America. Jobs in the service sector can't maintain the economy.  

Think of this. A can opener factory will employ truck drivers, secretaries, security guards, factory workers, management, accountants and others. You say who would want to work in a can opener factory? When I was young men working in factories owned cars, had a house and supported his wife and kids. This type manufacturing is completely gone in the US.

What needs to be done is there has to be a heavy tariff on imported goods coming into the US so American workers don't have to compete with slave wages in foreign countries.

Don't believe the lies about the employment numbers coming out of Washington. They are counting part time jobs and the incredible amount of low paying jobs. They refuse to include in the spin of fantastic employment numbers those who ran out of unemployment who just can't find a job anywhere.  

The massive amount of people living on social security disability is becoming the go to option for those who have just given up trying to get work and game the system to get government assistance without the stigma of welfare.

This is a country living on credit with mounting debt that will sink us into a depression that will make the first one seem like a joke.


When it comes to this issue, BERNIE SANDERS is the ONLY one correct.  No other Democrat or Republican ever has come close.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Free_Trade.htm
Bernie Sanders on Free Trade
Socialist Jr Senator; previously Representative (VT-At-Large)
    
 


Does not support ANY free trade agreements
Q: What do you think about the new TPP trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership?

SANDERS: I voted against NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China. I think they have been a disaster for the American worker. A lot of corporations that shut down here move abroad. Working people understand that after NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China we have lost millions of decent paying jobs. Since 2001, 60,000 factories in America have been shut down. We're in a race to the bottom, where our wages are going down. Is all of that attributable to trade? No. Is a lot of it? Yes. TPP was written by corporate America and the pharmaceutical industry and Wall Street. That's what this trade agreement is about. I do not want American workers to competing against people in Vietnam who make 56 cents an hour for a minimum wage.

Q: So basically, there's never been a single trade agreement this country's negotiated that you've been comfortable with?

SANDERS: That's correct.
Source: Meet the Press 2015 interview moderated by Chuck Todd , Oct 11, 2015

China trade has led to loss of 3M American jobs so far
Q: What does Bernie's track record look like with regard to Chinese trade policy?

A: Time and time again, Bernie has voted against free trade deals with China. In 1999, Bernie voted in the House against granting China "Most Favored Nation" status. In 2000, Bernie voted against Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China which aimed to create jobs, but instead lead to the loss of more than 3 million jobs for Americans.

Q: Maybe these trade agreements aren't all great for Americans, but don't they provide millions of jobs for Chinese workers?

A: Bernie firmly rejects the idea that America's standard of living must drop in order to see a raise in the standard of living in China.

Q: So what does Bernie propose we do?

A: Instead of passing such trade deals again and again, Bernie argues we must "develop trade policies which demand that American corporations create jobs here, and not abroad."
Source: 2016 presidential campaign website FeelTheBern.org, "Issues" , Sep 5, 2015

Priority of trade deals should be helping American workers
Bernie Sanders believes that the top priority of any trade deal should be to help American workers. Unfortunately, as Bernie has warned year after year, American trade policy over the last 30 years has done just the opposite. Multinational corporations- who have helped to write most of these trade deals--have benefited greatly while millions of American jobs have been shipped overseas. American trade policy should place the needs of American workers and small businesses first.
Source: 2016 presidential campaign website FeelTheBern.org, "Issues" , Sep 5, 2015

Base trade policy on working families, not multinationals
Q: The president says that expanding trade helps service industries & opens new markets. You talk about workers that would lose their job from trade. They say this will open up markets that will increase jobs.

SANDERS: I have been hearing that argument for the last 25 years. I heard it about NAFTA. I heard it about CAFTA. I heard it about permanent normal trade relations with China. Here is the fact. Since 2001, we have lost almost 60,000 factories and millions of good-paying jobs. I'm not saying trade is the only reason, but it is a significant reason why Americans are working longer hours for low wages and why we are seeing our jobs go to China and other low-wage countries. And, finally, what you're seeing in Congress are Democrats and some Republicans beginning to stand up and say, maybe we should have a trade policy which represents the working families of this country, that rebuilds our manufacturing base, not than just representing the CEOs of large multinational corporations.
Source: CBS Face the Nation 2015 coverage:2016 presidential hopefuls , Jun 14, 2015

Wrong, wrong, wrong that trade deals create jobs here
Q: As secretary of state, Clinton said she favored a trade deal with our 11 Pacific partners & fast track authority to make that happen. Is that an issue for you?

SANDERS: In the House and Senate, I voted against all of these terrible trade agreements, NAFTA, CAFTA, permanent normal trades relations with China. Republicans and Democrats, they say, "oh, we'll create all these jobs by having a trade agreement with China." Well, the answer is, they were wrong, wrong, wrong. Over the years, we have lost millions of decent paying jobs. These trade agreements have forced wages down in America so the average worker in America today is working longer hours for lower wages.

Q: So, is that a litmus test for you, to see whether or not Clinton is going to come out against the TPP?

SANDERS: I hope very much the secretary comes out against it. I think we do not need to send more jobs to low wage countries. I think corporate America has to start investing in this country and create decent paying jobs here.
Source: Fox News Sunday 2015 coverage of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Apr 19, 2015

End disastrous NAFTA, CAFTA, and PNTR with China
Since 2001 we have lost more than 60,000 factories in this country, and more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs. We must end our disastrous trade policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China, etc.) which enable corporate America to shut down plants in this country and move to China and other low-wage countries. We need to end the race to the bottom and develop trade policies which demand that American corporations create jobs here, and not abroad.
Source: 2016 presidential campaign website, BernieSanders.com , Mar 21, 2015

Stop TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership
Trade Policies that Benefit American Workers:
Since 2001 we have lost more than 60,000 factories in this country, and more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs. We must end our disastrous trade policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China, etc.) which enable corporate America to shut down plants in this country and move to China and other low-wage countries. We need to end the race to the bottom and develop trade policies which demand that American corporations create jobs here, and not abroad.

[We should also] sign the petition to stop the Trans-Pacific Partnership--another trade deal disaster.
Source: 12 Steps Forward, by Sen. Bernie Sanders , Jan 15, 2015

US trade policies represent interests of corporate America
I am certainly not a big fan of Bill Clinton's politics. As a strong advocate of a single-payer health care system, I opposed his convoluted health care reform package. I have helped lead the opposition to his trade policies, which represent the interests of corporate America and which are virtually indistinguishable from the views of George Bush and Newt Gingrich. I opposed his bloated military budget, the welfare reform bill that he signed, and the so-called Defense of Marriage Act, which he supported. He has been weak on campaign finance reform and has caved in far too often on the environment. Bill Clinton is a moderate Democrat. I'm a democratic socialist.

Yet, without enthusiasm, I've decided to support Bill Clinton for president. If Bob Dole were to be elected president, there would be an unparalleled war against working people.
Source: Outsider in the House, by Bernie Sanders, p. 24 , Jun 17, 1997

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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2016, 08:48:51 PM »

Agreed with Ross Perot's critique of trade policy
Although I agree with his critique of American trade policy and his opposition to NAFTA, I am no great fan of Ross Perot. There's no way he would be a major political leader if he weren't a billionaire. But I think that he is getting a bum rap from the media when they refer to his half-hour speeches as "infomericals" and make fun of his use of charts. Instead of putting 30-second attack ads on the air, he is trying to seriously discuss some of the most important issues facing the country. You may not agree with his analysis or his conclusions, but at least he's treating the American people with some respect. What's wrong with that?
Source: Outsider in the House, by Bernie Sanders, p.168 , Jun 17, 1997

NAFTA was a sellout to corporate America
At the very same time as health care was on the congressional agenda. Clinton pushed another issue to the forefront. And on the major initiative, Clinton was just plain wrong--very wrong. His support for the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was a sellout to corporate America. Pure and simple, it was a disaster for the working people of this country.

The US currently has a trade deficit of $114 billion. Economists tell us that $1 billion of investment equates to about 18,000 (often decent-paying) jobs. Connect the dots. Our current trade deficit is causing the loss of over 2 million jobs. Over the last 20 years, while the US has run up over a trillion dollars in trade deficits, millions of American workers have been thrown into the streets.

The function of trade agreements like NAFTA is to make it easier for American companies to move abroad, and to force our workers to compete against desperate people in the Third World.
Source: Outsider in the House, by Bernie Sanders, p.179-80 , Jun 17, 1997

NAFTA, GATT, and MFN for China must be repealed
What about the hemorrhage of jobs abroad? Can we do anything about the disastrous effects of the global economy on American workers? According to the experts, no. But the experts echo the message their employers want us to hear.

We need to address the issue of trade forthrightly and understand that our current trade policy is an unmitigated disaster. Our current record-breaking merchandise trade deficit of $112 billion is costing us over 2 million decent paying jobs. NAFTA, GATT, and Most Favored Nation status with China must be repealed, and a new trade policy developed.

Let's look at some of the components of a sensible trade policy. First, we must recognize that trade is not an end in itself. The function of American trade policy must be to improve the standard of living of the American people. America's trade policy must be radically changed, by committing ourselves to a "fair" rather than "free" trade policy.
Source: Outsider in the House, by Bernie Sanders, p.237 , Jun 17, 1997

Voted NO on promoting free trade with Peru.
Approves the Agreement entered into with the government of Peru. Provides for the Agreement's entry into force upon certain conditions being met on or after January 1, 2008. Prescribes requirements for:

    enforcement of textile and apparel rules of origin;
    certain textile and apparel safeguard measures; and
    enforcement of export laws governing trade of timber products from Peru.

Proponents support voting YES because:

Rep. RANGEL: It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that we can create jobs without trade. I had the opportunity to travel to Peru recently. I saw firsthand how important this agreement is to Peru and how this agreement will strengthen an important ally of ours in that region. Peru is resisting the efforts of Venezuela's authoritarian President Hugo Chavez to wage a war of words and ideas in Latin America against the US. Congress should acknowledge the support of the people of Peru and pass this legislation by a strong margin.

Opponents recommend voting NO because:

Rep. WU: I regret that I cannot vote for this bill tonight because it does not put human rights on an equal footing with environmental and labor protections.

Rep. KILDEE: All trade agreements suffer from the same fundamental flaw: They are not self-enforcing. Trade agreements depend upon vigorous enforcement, which requires official complaints be made when violations occur. I have no faith in President Bush to show any enthusiasm to enforce this agreement. Congress should not hand this administration yet another trade agreement because past agreements have been more efficient at exporting jobs than goods and services. I appeal to all Members of Congress to vote NO on this. But I appeal especially to my fellow Democrats not to turn their backs on those American workers who suffer from the export of their jobs. They want a paycheck, not an unemployment check.
Reference: Peru Trade Promotion Agreement Implementation Act; Bill H.R. 3688 ; vote number 2007-413 on Dec 4, 2007

Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade.
To implement the Dominican Republic-Central America-United States Free Trade Agreement. A vote of YES would:

    Progressively eliminate customs duties on all originating goods traded among the participating nations
    Preserve U.S. duties on imports of sugar goods over a certain quota
    Remove duties on textile and apparel goods traded among participating nations
    Prohibit export subsidies for agricultural goods traded among participating nations
    Provide for cooperation among participating nations on customs laws and import licensing procedures
    Encourage each participating nation to adopt and enforce laws ensuring high levels of sanitation and environmental protection
    Recommend that each participating nation uphold the International Labor Organization Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work
    Urge each participating nation to obey various international agreements regarding intellectual property rights

Reference: CAFTA Implementation Bill; Bill HR 3045 ; vote number 2005-443 on Jul 28, 2005

Voted NO on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement.
United States-Australia Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act: implementing free trade with protections for the domestic textile and apparel industries.
Reference: Bill sponsored by Rep Tom DeLay [R, TX-22]; Bill H.R.4759 ; vote number 2004-375 on Jul 14, 2004

Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement.
Vote to pass a bill that would put into effect a trade agreement between the United States and Singapore. The trade agreement would reduce tariffs and trade barriers between the United States and Singapore. The agreement would remove tariffs on goods and duties on textiles, and open markets for services The agreement would also establish intellectual property, environmental and labor standards.
Reference: US-Singapore Free Trade Agreement; Bill HR 2739 ; vote number 2003-432 on Jul 24, 2003

Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile.
United States-Chile Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act: Vote to pass a bill that would put into effect a trade agreement between the US and Chile. The agreement would reduce tariffs and trade barriers between the US and Chile. The trade pact would decrease duties and tariffs on agricultural and textile products. It would also open markets for services. The trade pact would establish intellectual property safeguards and would call for enforcement of environmental and labor standards.
Reference: Bill sponsored by DeLay, R-TX; Bill HR 2738 ; vote number 2003-436 on Jul 24, 2003

Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO.
Vote on withdrawing Congressional approval from the agreement establishing the World Trade Organization [WTO].
Reference: Resolution sponsored by Paul, R-TX; Bill H J Res 90 ; vote number 2000-310 on Jun 21, 2000

Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements.
Vote to establish negotiating objectives for trade agreements between the United States and foreign countries and renew 'fast track' authority for the President.
Reference: Bill introduced by Archer, R-TX.; Bill HR 2621 ; vote number 1998-466 on Sep 25, 1998

Rated 33% by CATO, indicating a mixed record on trade issues.
Sanders scores 33% by CATO on senior issues

The mission of the Cato Institute Center for Trade Policy Studies is to increase public understanding of the benefits of free trade and the costs of protectionism.

The Cato Trade Center focuses not only on U.S. protectionism, but also on trade barriers around the world. Cato scholars examine how the negotiation of multilateral, regional, and bilateral trade agreements can reduce trade barriers and provide institutional support for open markets. Not all trade agreements, however, lead to genuine liberalization. In this regard, Trade Center studies scrutinize whether purportedly market-opening accords actually seek to dictate marketplace results, or increase bureaucratic interference in the economy as a condition of market access.

Studies by Cato Trade Center scholars show that the United States is most effective in encouraging open markets abroad when it leads by example. The relative openness and consequent strength of the U.S. economy already lend powerful support to the worldwide trend toward embracing open markets. Consistent adherence by the United States to free trade principles would give this trend even greater momentum. Thus, Cato scholars have found that unilateral liberalization supports rather than undermines productive trade negotiations.

Scholars at the Cato Trade Center aim at nothing less than changing the terms of the trade policy debate: away from the current mercantilist preoccupation with trade balances, and toward a recognition that open markets are their own reward.

The following ratings are based on the votes the organization considered most important; the numbers reflect the percentage of time the representative voted the organization's preferred position.
Source: CATO website 02n-CATO on Dec 31, 2002

Extend trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy.
Sanders co-sponsored extending trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy

A joint resolution approving the renewal of import restrictions contained in the Burmese Freedom and Democracy Act of 2003. The original act sanctioned the ruling military junta, and recognized the National League of Democracy as the legitimate representative of the Burmese people.

Legislative Outcome: Related bills: H.J.RES.44, H.J.RES.93, S.J.RES.41; became Public Law 110-52.
Source: S.J.RES.16 07-SJR16 on Jun 14, 2007

Review free trade agreements biennially for rights violation.
Sanders signed H.R.3012

    Trade Reform, Accountability, Development, and Employment Act or the TRADE Act:
    review biennially certain free trade agreements (including Uruguay Round Agreements) between the US and foreign countries to evaluate their economic, environmental, national security, health, safety, and other effects; and
    report on them to the Congressional Trade Agreement Review Committee (established by this Act), including analyses of specified aspects of each agreement and certain information about agreement parties, such as whether the country has a democratic form of government, respects certain core labor rights and fundamental human rights, protects intellectual property rights, and enforces environmental laws.

    Declares that implementing bills of new trade agreements shall not be subject to expedited consideration or special procedures limiting amendment, unless such agreements include certain standards with respect to:
    labor;
    human rights;
    environment and public safety;
    food and product health and safety;
    provision of services;
    investment;
    procurement;
    intellectual property;
    agriculture;
    trade remedies and safeguards;
    dispute resolution and enforcement;
    technical assistance;
    national security; and
    taxation.

Requires the President to submit to Congress a plan for the renegotiation of existing trade agreements to bring them into compliance with such standards. Expresses the sense of Congress that certain processes for U.S. trade negotiations should be followed when Congress considers legislation providing special procedures for implementing bills of trade agreements.
Source: TRADE Act 09-HR3012 on Jun 24, 2009

Impose tariffs against countries which manipulate currency.
Sanders signed Currency Reform for Fair Trade Act

    Amends the Tariff Act of 1930 to include as a "countervailable subsidy" requiring action under a countervailing duty or antidumping duty proceeding the benefit conferred on merchandise imported into the US from foreign countries with fundamentally undervalued currency.
    Defines "benefit conferred" as the difference between:
        the amount of currency provided by a foreign country in which the subject merchandise is produced; and
        the amount of currency such country would have provided if the real effective exchange rate of its currency were not fundamentally undervalued.
    Determines that the currency of a foreign country is fundamentally undervalued if for an 18-month period:
        the government of the country engages in protracted, large-scale intervention in one or more foreign exchange markets
        the country's real effective exchange rate is undervalued by at least 5%
        the country has experienced significant and persistent global current account surpluses; and
        the country's government has foreign asset reserves exceeding the amount necessary to repay all its debt obligations.

[Explanatory note from Wikipedia.com "Exchange Rate"]:

Between 1994 and 2005, the Chinese yuan renminbi was pegged to the US dollar at RMB 8.28 to $1. Countries may gain an advantage in international trade if they manipulate the value of their currency by artificially keeping its value low. It is argued that China has succeeded in doing this over a long period of time. However, a 2005 appreciation of the Yuan by 22% was followed by a 39% increase in Chinese imports to the US. In 2010, other nations, including Japan & Brazil, attempted to devalue their currency in the hopes of subsidizing cheap exports and bolstering their ailing economies. A low exchange rate lowers the price of a country's goods for consumers in other countries but raises the price of imported goods for consumers in the manipulating country.
Source: HR.639&S.328 11-S0328 on Feb 14, 2011


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No MFN for China; condition trade on human rights.
Sanders adopted the Progressive Caucus Position Paper:

The Progressive Caucus opposes awarding China permanent Most Favored Nation trading status at this time. We believe that it would be a serious setback for the protection and expansion of worker rights, human rights and religious rights. We also believe it will harm the US economy. We favor continuing to review on an annual basis China’s trading status, and we believe it is both legal and consistent with US WTO obligations to do so. The Progressive Caucus believes that trade relations with the US should be conditioned on the protection of worker rights, human rights and religious rights. If Congress gives China permanent MFN status, the US will lose the best leverage we have to influence China to enact those rights and protections. At the current time, the US buys about 40% of China’s exports, making it a consumer with a lot of potential clout. So long as the US annually continues to review China’s trade status, we have the ability to debate achievement of basic worker and human rights and to condition access to the US market on the achievement of gains in worker and human rights, if necessary. But once China is given permanent MFN, it permanently receives unconditional access to the US market and we lose that leverage. China will be free to attract multinational capital on the promise of super low wages, unsafe workplace conditions and prison labor and permanent access to the US market.

Furthermore, giving China permanent MFN will be harmful to the US economy, since the record trade deficit with China (and attendant problems such as loss of US jobs, and lower average wages in the US) will worsen. For 1999, the trade deficit is likely to be nearly $70 billion. Once China is awarded permanent MFN and WTO membership, the trade deficit will worsen.
Source: CPC Position Paper: Trade With China 99-CPC1 on Nov 11, 1999

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2016, 09:00:29 PM »
Bernie Sanders seems to be The Wise Choice for Ye Pitiful Amerikans!!...My Humble Who-Gives-a-Fuck-Opinion... ;D ;D

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2016, 07:39:01 AM »
Carrier’s workers are separated into a two-tier wage system. A quarter of the workers make about $14 an hour, or about $30,000 a year. The rest make about $26 an hour, or about $55,000, but make well above $70,000 a year with overtime, Jones said.


So, 75 percent of the workers make between $55,000 and $70,000 a year. 

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2016, 09:23:44 AM »
you clowns realize that Obumo' said the exact same things in 2008 ...


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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2016, 09:36:11 AM »
Listen, if these jobs come back here it will be robots performing those tasks. Do we outlaw robotics, too? The real answer to the problem is light taxation and regulation which will allow new industries to flourish.

People predicted the same end of the world scenario 100 years ago when farm machinery replaced workers. Since then, the population has quadrupled and the average "poor" person in the United States weighs more than any Mr. O. competitor.

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2016, 09:47:06 AM »
I would consider myself pretty pro Union but I even realize these guys have to pick better leadership who are willing to work with management to some degree.

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2016, 10:02:13 AM »
greedy unions.  this is  also what you get when fools vote to make business owners pay more taxes.

who would they work for if it weren't for the business owners? they should pay the least amount of tax. they create jobs

but these greedy union people just don't get it

Exactly.

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2016, 10:14:34 AM »
Exactly.

Unions artificially inflate wages. This can work in areas like construction where you're not as exposed to foreign competition, not so much so in industries where a company can just pick up and move.

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2016, 10:52:55 AM »
Goodrum spotted at Carrier meeting.

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2016, 01:37:12 PM »
If voting could change anything they wouldn't let us - Mark Twain

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2016, 01:53:38 PM »
Lol at using the words "high quality" and "Mexico" in the same sentence.
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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2016, 01:56:28 PM »
Would not be surprised if they were both partners... But everything sadly ends up lower quality after reputation is made or the business gets sold to someone who takes away everything good to make more profit.

japs moving production to america

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2016, 02:06:03 PM »
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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2016, 03:04:09 PM »
QFT

its 2016 most people still cant grasp lobbying>voting

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2016, 03:13:47 PM »
You want to race to the bottom, then water is where it's at.  People need it, so you make them work for it.  Bread is the bonus.

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2016, 03:19:57 PM »
greedy unions.  this is  also what you get when fools vote to make business owners pay more taxes.

who would they work for if it weren't for the business owners? they should pay the least amount of tax. they create jobs

but these greedy union people just don't get it

even if unions had no power at all, there are no way American wages can match Chinese wages, including for engineers.
America has to create innovate products with high quality. Only if that happens the wage question is relevant.

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2016, 03:42:56 PM »
even if unions had no power at all, there are no way American wages can match Chinese wages, including for engineers.
America has to create innovate products with high quality. Only if that happens the wage question is relevant.
china has no sense of innovation

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2016, 05:35:21 PM »
"Greedy union people" don't get it, but neither do most who post in this forum.  The USA is finished.  It's an 80% service based economy and manufacturing is gone, that's why it's failing.   It only gets worse from here... MUCH worse.  Social upheaval and food riots are right around the corner.  You'd better get prepared for it.
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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2016, 05:51:55 PM »
This is just preparation for in 20 years when all manufacturing becomes automated by computers and robots. All unskilled workers will be out of work until they go back to school or learn a new skill that has market value. It's just the way it is. The world is changing and it sucks that this happens all the time now, but it's just the way things are. Gotta live with it. The economy is going to crash so hard soon anyways.

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Re: Carrier Workers React To 1400 Jobs Being Moved To Mexico: ‘F*ck you!’
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2016, 06:08:34 PM »
Perot tried warning us about NAFTA and GAT but no one listened.