I the longrun, is natural bodybuilding too taxative on the endocrine system?

[falco]

...making it shut down earlier than people who don't workout, bodybuilding style?

Just like eating too much sugars may shut down your pancreas?

    I bodybuild since a teenager and have experienced during two decades of training several periods of apparent test production shut down. Not related to steroid use. It happened after months of consistent training and inherent high cortisol levels. I have no data to backup this except regular blood work (that doesn't include testosterone levels) where everything was normal.
    I'm 39 and started TRT a couple of months ago, because last couple of years i have been dragging myself everyday, no energy, barely keeping up with my desk job and family needs. Working out again was a mirage. My 70 yo father had more stamina than me.

Ideas?

[scottt]

Sadly I think it is. Going to the gym everyday is out of the question. You hit a roadblock for muscle size and if you keep pushing you just wear yourself out. Better to maintain muscle and spend more time working on your diet.

[Jovo]

in my opinion a restrictive diet can cause endocrine issues

[scottt]

in my opinion a restrictive diet can cause endocrine issues

This or not absorbing vitamins. I have trouble with B vitamin deficiency.

[BigRo]

as long as your not over training I dont think so.

[Raymondo]

It could be chronic overtraining. Not taking enough maintenance breaks from diets, not doing periodization, etc.

[falco]

If you love training enough, you will overtrain, even not wanting to...
Everytime i trained more consistent i got morning hot flashes, just like menopausal women.

[_aj_]

If you love training enough, you will overtrain, even not wanting to...
Everytime i trained more consistent i got morning hot flashes, just like menopausal women.

For the first time in a long time, I'm really feeling my age in the gym today. I probably need a few days off. I am not good at "days off"

[Raymondo]

If you love training enough, you will overtrain, even not wanting to...
Everytime i trained more consistent i got morning hot flashes, just like menopausal women.

Training can definitely become an addiction. Everything works better when I train. I've noticed scary stuff, like I can think quicker, my memory improves, my mind can keep going for longer and I find more creative solutions to complicated problems.

[YngiweRhoads]

Quite the opposite.  Natural bbing is the fountain of youth.

[jon cole]

...making it shut down earlier than people who don't workout, bodybuilding style?

Just like eating too much sugars may shut down your pancreas?

    I bodybuild since a teenager and have experienced during two decades of training several periods of apparent test production shut down. Not related to steroid use. It happened after months of consistent training and inherent high cortisol levels. I have no data to backup this except regular blood work (that doesn't include testosterone levels) where everything was normal.
    I'm 39 and started TRT a couple of months ago, because last couple of years i have been dragging myself everyday, no energy, barely keeping up with my desk job and family needs. Working out again was a mirage. My 70 yo father had more stamina than me.

Ideas?

Succesful natural training, is only ok if ... you're unemployed or making a cool job, no family, no children, no stress. My best year are behind me, when i was 20/25, living at my parent's house, working only the weekend, no tax to pay, no children.

It's too hard to follow a strict diet, train 5 time a week, cardio, relaxing, when you're natural qnd got a full life outside the gym.
 If you try this you'll end like a zombie, a no life.

[cephissus]

Depressing thread, and not sure about endocrine system

But yeah, I feel like utter shit after a decade and a half in the gym.  Trying to take a step back and find a 'healthy' way to incorporate exercise, eating, etc. into the rest of my life.

[The Scott]

If you love training enough, you will overtrain, even not wanting to...
Everytime i trained more consistent i got morning hot flashes, just like menopausal women.

I love family. I love friends.  I don't use the word "love" for training.  I like it.  Having said that might I suggest that you give Mentzer's final version of HIT a try?

I am on my third week of doing just that and due to circumstances beyond my control it has been 8 days since I last trained.  Tomorrow morning I shall go at it and see just how I feel and do.  I train to positive failure and do slow controlled reps up and down.  I sometimes do 2 or 3 rest/pause reps at the end of a set but that's mostly because I train alone and don't have someone to help me do a couple of forced reps.  I normally train every 48 to 72 hours but a minor family emergency made that an impossibility this past week, so 192 hours it is this time.

If I do at least as well I shall be happy.  If I do better, I shall be happy.  If I don't as well as I did before, I won't sweat it and will just return to my normal regimen between sessions.  Life is good. It can be better when you exercise.

Good luck.

[The True Adonis]

Haven't had a single negative experience ever.  Maybe its your genetics.

[jude2]

as long as your not over training I dont think so.

This is correct.

[OB1]

Should be no problem when given enough rest.

[Radical Plato]

Haven't had a single negative experience ever.  Maybe its your genetics.

What about the absence of any appreciable gains, do you see that as a positive? 

[The True Adonis]

What about the absence of any appreciable gains, do you see that as a positive? 

As a lifetime natural you can't expect to gain muscle forever.  Same thing is true with a roider even.

[Griffith]

...making it shut down earlier than people who don't workout, bodybuilding style?

Just like eating too much sugars may shut down your pancreas?

    I bodybuild since a teenager and have experienced during two decades of training several periods of apparent test production shut down. Not related to steroid use. It happened after months of consistent training and inherent high cortisol levels. I have no data to backup this except regular blood work (that doesn't include testosterone levels) where everything was normal.
    I'm 39 and started TRT a couple of months ago, because last couple of years i have been dragging myself everyday, no energy, barely keeping up with my desk job and family needs. Working out again was a mirage. My 70 yo father had more stamina than me.

Ideas?

You have to take a week off every two months or so and sometimes take a few extra days off when you feeling burned out.

And when I go on holiday I don't bother about training.

Makes no difference in the long-run

[OB1]

You have to take a week off every two months or so and sometimes take a few extra days off when you feeling burned out.

And when I go on holiday I don't bother about training.

Makes no difference in the long-run

Those extra days off are very important.
Don't skip on those.

[Griffith]

Those extra days off are very important.
Don't skip on those.

Sometimes the difference between an injury or not.

[Radical Plato]

Depressing thread, and not sure about endocrine system

But yeah, I feel like utter shit after a decade and a half in the gym.  Trying to take a step back and find a 'healthy' way to incorporate exercise, eating, etc. into the rest of my life.

Steroids

[Radical Plato]

As a lifetime natural you can't expect to gain muscle forever.  Same thing is true with a roider even.

I was taking the piss, but seeing as how you took my response seriously.  At least the roider can cycle on and off and ride the high of rapid gains.  Admittedly cycling off isn't so fun but he can always look forward to his next blast.

[NordicNerd]

...making it shut down earlier than people who don't workout, bodybuilding style?

Just like eating too much sugars may shut down your pancreas?

    I bodybuild since a teenager and have experienced during two decades of training several periods of apparent test production shut down. Not related to steroid use. It happened after months of consistent training and inherent high cortisol levels. I have no data to backup this except regular blood work (that doesn't include testosterone levels) where everything was normal.
    I'm 39 and started TRT a couple of months ago, because last couple of years i have been dragging myself everyday, no energy, barely keeping up with my desk job and family needs. Working out again was a mirage. My 70 yo father had more stamina than me.

Ideas?

I am mid 40s and I lift between 5 and 7 days a week. I have had some periods like you describe, but for the most part I am ok. My training sessions are short- about 30 minutes to 45 minutes. I think that is important. Further, if you do feel tired, listen to your body and train less intensely or take a break. For me, this works well, but periods with fatigue can happen and then I believe you just need to obey and ease up.

I still get progress when bulking and set a personal best 1rm max in benchpress after training for more than 20 years. But very difficult to keep mass while cutting. Never juiced- only use creatine, BCAA and a mix of casein and whey proteins as supplements.

NN

[falco]

I love family. I love friends.  I don't use the word "love" for training.  I like it.  Having said that might I suggest that you give Mentzer's final version of HIT a try?


Good luck.

I did, right in my early years of training. I couldn't keep up with the flex magazines training routines. HIT worked for me.