Apple vs. The Government

[OB1]

Not what we are talking about here. Apple has recently encrypted all there products and if your phone or computer is shut off no one can get in.

We talk about the government monitoring your activities.
My link simply proved it's already in full force.

Another
Link
regarding "if your phone or computer is shut off no one can get in."

Don't expect your phone to be any different.

[Disgusted]

We talk about the government monitoring your activities.
My link simply proved it's already in full force.

Another
Link
regarding "if your phone or computer is shut off no one can get in."

Don't expect your phone to be any different.

I am talking about getting into a phone with 256 bit AES Encryption. It can't be done.

The link you provided is another example of something we are not talking about. APPLE ENCRYPTION!!!!

[OB1]

I am talking about getting into a phone with 256 bit AES Encryption. It can't be done.

Apart from the NSA having more than enough computing horsepower to manage that...
they get the key beforehand.

Link

[SF1900]

Yes!

 Buy a new phone

How can I unlock my iPhone if I forgot the passcode?

Apple explains how to unlock the iPhone if you have forgotten the passcode or password in the manual for each model. For the iPhone 5c, for example, it is provided on page 155 as well as on the company support site. However, as this is a very frequently asked question, the official answers and additional help are below for your convenience.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/iphone/iphone-troubleshooting-repair-faq/iphone-how-to-unlock-open-forgot-code-passcode-password-login.html

The only way to regain an entry into your iPhone is to restore it. Yes, that’s going to delete all data but, incidentally, even when you are locked out of your iPhone, you can backup data from it.

http://www.igeeksblog.com/i-forgot-my-iphone-passcode/

[Nails]

Tim Cook to FBI

[Raymondo]

Apart from the NSA having more than enough computing horsepower to manage that...
they get the key beforehand.

Link

Even if they can in theory, it would be extremely impractical. The resources needed to crack 50% of the combinations of a single 256 AES key are unfathomable.

That's the power of cryptography for you.

[HonestBob]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/apple-unlocked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before.html

Sorry, no idea if that is a link or needs copy and paste.

This is an Apple PR stunt, they've unlocked many times before.

[OB1]

Even if they can in theory, it would be impractical. The resources needed to crack 50% of the combinations of a 256 AES key are immense.

Yes.
But I think they are at minimum 30 but more likely 50 yrs ahead of official computer hardware.
So for them it will be a relatively easy task.
Using general computer hardware this will be no fun.

[HonestBob]

Yes.
But I think they are at minimum 30 but more likely 50 yrs ahead of official computer hardware.
So for them it will be a relatively easy task.
Using general computer hardware this will be no fun.

I think this is probably a bit of a hyperbolic statement.

[TuHolmes]

Yes.
But I think they are at minimum 30 but more likely 50 yrs ahead of official computer hardware.
So for them it will be a relatively easy task.
Using general computer hardware this will be no fun.

The government buys the same hardware everyone else does.

I used to put in stuff for the DoD... They didn't have magical super computers that were more advanced than anyone else.

[Al Doggity]

Buy a new phone

How can I unlock my iPhone if I forgot the passcode?

Apple explains how to unlock the iPhone if you have forgotten the passcode or password in the manual for each model. For the iPhone 5c, for example, it is provided on page 155 as well as on the company support site. However, as this is a very frequently asked question, the official answers and additional help are below for your convenience.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/iphone/iphone-troubleshooting-repair-faq/iphone-how-to-unlock-open-forgot-code-passcode-password-login.html

The only way to regain an entry into your iPhone is to restore it. Yes, that’s going to delete all data but, incidentally, even when you are locked out of your iPhone, you can backup data from it.

http://www.igeeksblog.com/i-forgot-my-iphone-passcode/

You have to set your phone for that level of security. I only started using a passcode for my phone about a year ago, but my data won't be wiped if there are more than a certain number of attempts.

[Al Doggity]

The government buys the same hardware everyone else does.

I used to put in stuff for the DoD... They didn't have magical super computers that were more advanced than anyone else.

Yeah, industry makes all of the significant computing/technological advances and they are mainly for the consumer market. Whatever "advanced" computer tech the government has that the gp doesn't is either because it is cost prohibitive for the consumer market or there isn't a demand for it on the consumer market. 

[Nails]

so if you wanted to be an asshole , just grab some dumb bitch or douchebag you hate, enter the password 10 times incorrect and hopefully they dont back up their phones and you will have ruined their day for a few days to come 

[OB1]

How far advanced is military technology in relation to available consumer tech?

[240 is Back]

This poster needs to understand that once this court battle is decided, it becomes legal precedent. It affects future similar cases.

Once repubs give obama the permission to open ONE phone, he has the power and ability to open a million of them.

Trump is the loudest voice calling for this

[Al Doggity]

How far advanced is military technology in relation to available consumer tech?

Did you read this link? 

[OB1]

Did you read this link? 

Of course.

[Raymondo]

Yes.
But I think they are at minimum 30 but more likely 50 yrs ahead of official computer hardware.
So for them it will be a relatively easy task.
Using general computer hardware this will be no fun.

I think Snowden's revelations shows they aren't that far ahead. They have acres filled with servers but so do the private sector tech giants.

The most exciting thing I read in Snowden's docs is that they are heavily researching quantum computing since it will be one way of cracking cryptography.

[Al Doggity]

Of course.

That link doesn't support the argument that the government is 30-50 years ahead of the general public when it comes to technology. 

[OB1]

That link doesn't support the argument that the government is 30-50 years ahead of the general public when it comes to technology.  

Why not?
The military is a part of the government.

30-50 yrs has been my personal estimation.

The max. mentioned of military personal itself was like 20yrs.
Some civilian came to the conclusion it is like 44yrs.

[Al Doggity]

Why not?
The military is a part of the government.

30-50 yrs has been my personal estimation.

The max. mentioned of military personal itself was like 20yrs.
Some civilian came to the conclusion it is like 44yrs.

Most of the people with knowledge of or connections to the military said that the gap was pretty small and continues to shrink, if one exists at all. And the people who elaborated on the 44 years estimate said that was an outdated notion that applied to a research and development structure that largely doesn't exist anymore. And the guy who made the 44 years estimate just guesstimated based on things he'd read on the internet. The guy with the most military experience said the gap was down to 12-18 months from a previous average of 2-4 years. 

What do you think technology that is 50 years ahead of high-end consumer technology even looks like?

[OB1]

Most of the people with knowledge of or connections to the military said that the gap was pretty small and continues to shrink, if one exists at all. And the people who elaborated on the 44 years estimate said that was an outdated notion that applied to a research and development structure that largely doesn't exist anymore. And the guy who made the 44 years estimate just guesstimated based on things he'd read on the internet. The guy with the most military experience said the gap was down to 12-18 months from a previous average of 2-4 years. 

What do you think technology that is 50 years ahead of high-end consumer technology even looks like?

 
I have no idea.

[Raymondo]

I have no idea.

Have a look at Kurzweil's predictions

[OB1]

Have a look at Kurzweil's predictions

Very interesting, probably not too far off and partially scary at the same time.
Thanks.

[phreak]

Most of the people with knowledge of or connections to the military said that the gap was pretty small and continues to shrink, if one exists at all. And the people who elaborated on the 44 years estimate said that was an outdated notion that applied to a research and development structure that largely doesn't exist anymore. And the guy who made the 44 years estimate just guesstimated based on things he'd read on the internet. The guy with the most military experience said the gap was down to 12-18 months from a previous average of 2-4 years. 

What do you think technology that is 50 years ahead of high-end consumer technology even looks like?

So you doubt that there are huge (but extremely well hidden) multi-billion dollar fabs out there that produce tech decades ahead of anything Intel or TSMC can produce, using principles that researchers worldwide have not even discovered yet?