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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2016, 12:39:55 PM »
they're not getting released - they are getting moved to SuperMax, right?

I bet they PREFER the tropical soccer games of Gitmo over the 23 hours solitary brick in freezing ass colorado or michigan or wherever.  Gitmo, they get camaraderie and great weather.  Actual prison would suck for them. 

and nobody has ever escaped supermax, or ever will, right?

what is the big deal?  Your war boner over the mean cuban prison?

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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2016, 01:04:26 PM »
Guantanamo was a holiday camp compared to some of the other places they were sent.


Exactly, Guantanamo was a summer camp compared to the CIA black houses in Iraq in Afghanistan.


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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2016, 01:08:38 PM »
Guantanamo was a holiday camp compared to some of the other places they were sent.

If I had the option of Guantanamo or a NDS run prison in Kabul, Id be straight on the plane to sunny Cuba. Couldn't get me in an orange jumpsuit quick enough.

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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2016, 02:05:59 PM »
Serious question: How many policy decisions do you believe The President makes?

Zero?
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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2016, 02:26:51 PM »
The guys running Guantanamo should load up all the prisoners into the back of a U-haul truck and drive the truck into the White house while Obama is sleeping.

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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2016, 02:29:33 PM »
The guys running Guantanamo should load up all the prisoners into the back of a U-haul truck and drive the truck into the White house while Obama is sleeping.

Good idea but won't do much.
Give them a boatload of weapons and fly them to The City of London.
More effective.
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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2016, 02:56:00 PM »
Close the entire fucking base on Cuba and all other US military bases around the world.... PERIOD!!

Close all US military bases around the world?
What kind of special kid are you?
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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2016, 03:00:54 PM »
they're not getting released - they are getting moved to SuperMax, right?

I bet they PREFER the tropical soccer games of Gitmo over the 23 hours solitary brick in freezing ass colorado or michigan or wherever.  Gitmo, they get camaraderie and great weather.  Actual prison would suck for them.  

and nobody has ever escaped supermax, or ever will, right?

what is the big deal?  Your war boner over the mean cuban prison?

Big deal is that we're kidnapping and torturing a large number of people without any judicial process or public disclosure.  Bad enough in itself, but if the objective is protection then how do you even know you've got the right guy without a broadly accessible review of the case?  Because some CIA analyst said so in an email?  If they knew their job 9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place.  And shit, if they grab the wrong guy then the right guy is still wandering around out there while all the end-justifies-the-means farm boys are sucking each other's dicks over a job-well-done.  If you knew your enemy was engaging in this, think you might ramp up a disinformation campaign to get them to nab some of your rivals for you?  Or feed them people who don't know a fucking thing so they can feel nice and busy and not come looking for you?  

The problem isn't just that it's evil and illegal.  It may not even be effective.  As a disinformer's wet dream, it could even be counterproductive.  (And if you believe the body that got dumped into the ocean before anyone got a chance to see it was really Bin Laden then visit bridgesales.com.)  Or maybe it is effective.  We'll never know because, as usual, the military government does whatever the fuck it pleases, in any amount it pleases, with programs that rate themselves as super-effective and self-perpetuate once established.  No one tells us a goddamn thing except that there are still attacks happening on a regular basis so we really need these programs... which prevent these attacks from happening.  I'm no analyst but wtf kind of logic is that?  They haven't solved the problem.  They don't seem to have ameliorated the problem.  Seems reasonable after this long to question whether they're on the right track to a solution.

And another thing, mmmmpff!!!  Hey get that bag off my head!  [bonk]


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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2016, 06:00:51 PM »
I don't know if its the BEST country in the world.

It depends what factors you're looking at.
Let's look at the simplest factor of them all.

Millions of people from all over the world every fucking country on this earth are fighting and paying and bribing and lying to get here, become residents and eventually citizens. And when I say people, I'm not referring to the sand savages invited to rape white women in Europe.


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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2016, 09:09:00 PM »
3 million dollars per prisoner what the hell are they feeding these guys, a gh buffet?

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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2016, 04:22:32 AM »
Bullets are relatively cheap and sharks would eat them for free.

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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2016, 05:54:14 AM »
Close all US military bases around the world?
What kind of special kid are you?


how man military bases does China, Brazil, India, Russia have around the world?????  Do you not see a problem with the US???

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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2016, 05:55:17 AM »

how man military bases does China, Brazil, India, Russia have around the world?????  Do you not see a problem with the US???

Why in the flying fuck did you pick those countries?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farkhor_Air_Base

China announced plans in November 2015 to establish a naval facility in the city of Djibouti in order to provide logistic support for anti-piracy operations along the Horn of Africa.[2]

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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2016, 06:33:25 AM »
Why in the flying fuck did you pick those countries?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_military_bases_abroad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farkhor_Air_Base

China announced plans in November 2015 to establish a naval facility in the city of Djibouti in order to provide logistic support for anti-piracy operations along the Horn of Africa.[2]




pick any country you want fucktard...the US has more bases on foreign soil than any other country x10

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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2016, 06:41:32 AM »

pick any country you want fucktard...the US has more bases on foreign soil than any other country x10



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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2016, 07:00:13 AM »




this guy got it right...too bad too many of you Muricans are too fucking brainwashed to see the value in what he had to say....



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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2016, 07:11:08 AM »
Big deal is that we're kidnapping and torturing a large number of people without any judicial process or public disclosure.  Bad enough in itself, but if the objective is protection then how do you even know you've got the right guy without a broadly accessible review of the case?  Because some CIA analyst said so in an email?  If they knew their job 9/11 wouldn't have happened in the first place.  And shit, if they grab the wrong guy then the right guy is still wandering around out there while all the end-justifies-the-means farm boys are sucking each other's dicks over a job-well-done.  If you knew your enemy was engaging in this, think you might ramp up a disinformation campaign to get them to nab some of your rivals for you?  Or feed them people who don't know a fucking thing so they can feel nice and busy and not come looking for you?  

The problem isn't just that it's evil and illegal.  It may not even be effective.  As a disinformer's wet dream, it could even be counterproductive.  (And if you believe the body that got dumped into the ocean before anyone got a chance to see it was really Bin Laden then visit bridgesales.com.)  Or maybe it is effective.  We'll never know because, as usual, the military government does whatever the fuck it pleases, in any amount it pleases, with programs that rate themselves as super-effective and self-perpetuate once established.  No one tells us a goddamn thing except that there are still attacks happening on a regular basis so we really need these programs... which prevent these attacks from happening.  I'm no analyst but wtf kind of logic is that?  They haven't solved the problem.  They don't seem to have ameliorated the problem.  Seems reasonable after this long to question whether they're on the right track to a solution.

And another thing, mmmmpff!!!  Hey get that bag off my head!  [bonk]


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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2016, 07:21:19 AM »

pick any country you want fucktard...the US has more bases on foreign soil than any other country x10


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Re: Obama to Release Plan to Close Guantanamo
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2016, 07:52:44 AM »

how man military bases does China, Brazil, India, Russia have around the world?????  Do you not see a problem with the US???

Geopolitics.  ::)

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