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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #625 on: March 28, 2016, 04:49:54 AM »
It's never been something that would interest me in terms of taking stuff recreationally, but after watching a few documentaries specifically on DMT, i do think it could be worthwhile trying once just to potentially understand more about consciousness. It looks like all these near-death experience stories can be explained by the release of DMT as the brain shuts down and prepares to die; I don't believe that consciousness can exist after the brain dies, but I'm uneducated on the subject and it's fascinating to hear from Doctors and other highly educated individuals in this field who have tried DMT and then entertained the idea of consciousness as a "non-local phenomenon".

At it's base it must be, it's a quantum event (consciousness), through entanglement coherence could be maintained. However, if consciousness is non-local, like the signal and your brain the tv tuning it, it would appear to need hardware, how can you have thought without the brain, like typing without keys.


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #626 on: March 29, 2016, 07:39:50 AM »
You've tried it? Awesome...you should write a review about it on here!

Here is my review:

As the incessant storm of reality grows,
I seek shelter in the fabricated dreams of another.  

My existence grows weary of its inherent fallacies.
Cascading complexities, distilled for general consumption.

A solitary, psychedelic beam of hope appears.
Arms raised, my curiosity rampant, the promise of truth drives me onward.

I purse my lips and inhale from the font of chaos.
Slowly, I drown in a sea of contradicting logic. My ego, crushed in a heartbeat.

I fly through the earthen godhead.
I am but a passenger on a roller coaster through the celestial vortex of infinity.

The onslaught of confusion, mesmerising and relentless, crashes resplendent,
as figments of imagined lives flicker across my mind's horizon.

Randomness spews its inconsistent melody,
as soul is ripped, blissfully, from its corporeal chassis.

I stare blindly into the abyss.
My life, pathetic in its perceived certainly, succumbs to the fractal carnage.

I am nothing. A spiralling footnote in the failure of humanity.
A self reflecting abstraction of what could have been.

I die a thousand deaths. I live a million lies. The knowledge, too great to compute.
The experience, too vast to recall. Words drown in its majestic haze.

What is this demented hologram? What is "I"? Where does it end?
What kind of intelligence produces such an infernal quandary?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #627 on: March 29, 2016, 08:24:13 AM »
Nice poetry well done.

Next time you could meditate on the thought who am I, what is I, from where does I arise, what sustains I, in to what does this I merge again then blast off :)

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #628 on: March 30, 2016, 07:41:55 AM »
When i posted my reply, i fully expected you to backtrack on your analogy and attempt to deny its validity in explaining why you proselytise, but i wish you wouldn't. The fact is, it’s actually a very good analogy and it offers a very accurate summary of your faith - you just don’t like the conclusion which must be derived from it, as it places the crown of culpability firmly upon God's head. This has led you to repeat yourself and psychologically project your own moral and logical failings onto me by asserting that i am the one who has chosen to "defend/ignore evil". Let me be clear: not once have i ever defended or ignored the evil that people do; I point out the contradictions and inconsistencies that are present in your line of thinking which not only defends all the nonsensical evil being done on the innocent, but calls for it to be celebrated and revered, in order to spare yourself a similar fate. Your post is a perfect example of intellectual cowardice and to claim that i'm the one attempting to create a deceptive portrayal of your views would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic. In the same paragraph you go on to claim that:

 “God comes in and eliminates the evil pagan folks and takes their small children with him...He showed them grace, mercy and love.”

It takes a truly warped mind to try and justify this as an act of love, It also begs the question as to why he doesn't do it more often, if that was the case? Why turn a blind eye to the millions of innocent people suffering in the world today, when he could simply flood the world again so that they may be with him, as opposed to being "left alone to fend for themselves"?

Why create a set of rules for his "righteous representatives", which were allegedly in place for centuries and enforced through an unrelenting and brutal form of totalitarianism, only to then renounce these laws at a later date? God made it a law for Israelites to kill their own family members if they didn't worship him, then decided to contradict himself by enforcing a “thou shall not kill” rule, which if broken, will supposedly see you spend eternity in hell. I refuse to accept that you cannot see the glaring absurdities here; if you genuinely wish to cling to something so patently ridiculous, then feel free, but please keep it to yourself.

We don’t need to keep going around in circles on this particular point, as i would say that our positions have been clearly stated now, and there is something else that you've posted recently which i would like to question you on - but i'll post it in the religion thread when i have the time.


All that happened is that you were overly analytical and drew out of my little example something that wasn’t intended and I gave you clarification.  Would’ve been easier to acknowledge that clarification and move forward as intended, but that wouldn’t allow your invalidated argument to flourish….gotta force that position to stick somehow.  The focus of the example was the person that could help and stood by and did nothing.  You turned it into something completely different…about God as an arsonist.  The reason for the fire didn’t matter to the example.  In fact the fire itself didn’t matter.  That’s why I told you can swap “fire” for some other bad situation.  It was not some grand analogy or metaphor where x,y and z represent something else in theology.  You just twisted it into that so you could argue from that angle....yet I'm dishonest.  

You say it takes a warped mind to think that way.  Yet your opinion is grounded in nothing but subjectivity and you continue to side with evildoers.  Why is that?  Why do you side with those that are fully wicked and deserve punishment and then get punished?  You're also angry because God showed mercy to children and took them with him to his heaven?  Why is that evil?  So do you want more of God or less of God?  In one breathe you’re angry because God judged the wicked and in another you’re angry because he doesn’t judge enough.  Which is it?    The world is once again coming into the fullness of its sin and then one final judgment will be passed.  There is no blind eye being turned.  That’s why we have Jesus Christ.  The problem of evil is not of God, the problem of evil is of us….Christ is the solution.   Yet, slowly and prophetically the world is collectively denying Christ.  

The nation of Israel entered into a covenant with God and they were to be righteous and set apart from the pagan nations around them.  The Israelites were then engaged in a theocracy and willingly bound themselves to God's standards.  If they were to act as God's representatives they were then subject to the highest standards and penalties.  

No, you’re previous statement was about death for worshipping other false Gods.  You moved the goalposts just slightly:
 
Question 2) You've already tried to answer this one vaguely by suggesting that Jesus rocked up in the New Testament to cancel out God's old orders of killing your family if they worship other gods, so just to clarify - You are saying it is wrong for people to kill their family for idolatry, but it was fine before Jesus came?

I already explained the sinister nature of engaging in the practice of worshipping pagan gods and the harm it brought others.  Again, why do you support folks that engage in this type of evil?  Why do you feel this behavior should go unpunished?  Yes folks that engage in evil and cause others to participate in said evil could lose their lives because of it.  Shouldn't those that commit evil acts be punished?  Shouldn't those that outright defy God's holy standards be punished?  Even lose their lives in some instances?  Actually think for a moment about who is being defied here....the sovereign Lord and God of all there is. 

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #629 on: March 30, 2016, 10:40:03 AM »
Well, i'm glad to see that you've finally composed yourself enough to write a reply, after the emotional rollercoaster that was Batman V Superman, and it appears to have inspired you to battle your enemies of logic and reason with a renewed resolve. I've talked to some brick walls before, but you are a fortress of lunacy that even superman couldn't penetrate.

Let’s begin with this now persistent renouncement of your own analogy, and let me try and simplify it the best i can so that you can no longer attempt to feign confusion or deny what it was that you were first defending. You addressed bigmc and claimed:

"not very christian to say that only people that believe will be saved"......'that's one of the most loving things someone can tell another.  To warn folks of impending danger and be ridiculed for it and yet continue to warn them out of love despite replies of hate and mocking laughter'.

And you then gave the analogy directly after. It was a straightforward defence of why you proselytise: To warn people of an impending danger. Let's do as you wish and swap out the fire for any other type of situation as it makes no difference. You claim to have information that may save others from an impending doom, and to do or say nothing would be immoral. People are living a life of sin, unaware of the hell that waits them in the afterlife - you claim to have once won the celestial lottery and received a personal visit from God and you now feel compelled to speak for him; this really requires no twisting of words from me, it merely requires you to do as you have always done and unashamedly delude yourself with regards to the wider implications of what this means.

The bible condemns people to hell for the most trivial of things and you defend it because you're mentally unstable and terrified of death. How can you have the gall to say that my opinion is grounded in nothing but subjectivity and i continue to side with evildoers?
My opinion comes from scientific consensus and what we know to be objectively good regarding human and animal well-being; as in, not being used as a sacrificial object, not being held culpable for sins that you had absolutely no hand in committing, not being wiped off the earth for no justifiable reason and not being held to ransom by an irrational and psychopathic God who promises an eternity of hell for disobedience.

Your opinions come from the subjective experience you had as a grown man, when you were sick and hallucinating.  Let’s not forget that you openly expressed your willingness to sacrifice your own child if God asked you to… and I’m the one siding with evil? You should hang your sinful head in shame for making such a comment. Let me restate what i said to you in my last post, when you accused me of this: you are psychologically projecting your own moral and logical failings onto me by asserting that i am the one who has chosen to "defend/ignore evil".


I do not claim that evil should go unpunished, so you can drop the mendacity and stop clinging to something so demonstrably false. What i claim is that evil DOES go unpunished, it goes unpunished every single day, and the few times in scripture that God did supposedly intervene, he not only punished these "evil pagans" that you constantly refer to, but every innocent life too - a fact which you do not deny, but rather, seek to defend in the most pusillanimous and feeble manner. I've addressed these points ad nauseum now, and the fact that you still persist in denying the irrational, inconsistent and immoral behaviour present in scripture simply proves the fact that you truly are a man of steely ignorance and cast-iron dishonesty.

Yes, I'm just getting back to this thread.  Had some things to do, but if it makes you feel bigger and better to continue insulting me you go ahead and do that.  ;)

Yes, believers are called to warn others of the impending danger of a Godless eternity and to sit by knowing of the danger and to not tell others would be evil IMHO....it wouldn't represent Christ.  So thank you for finally addressing my original point and the bolding of my comments to bigmc helps further that so thank you.  Yes the information I have is about Jesus Christ, but many others have it as well.  I just share it here.  Yes, people do define God's standards as trivial and trade evil for good and good for evil.  They don't want God's standards, they want their own standards to be upheld.  I'm here to warn others about how dangerous that proposition is.

It's not gall that I say your opinion is grounded in subjectivity....it's the reality.  I'm sorry you don't like it.  Without God you have no objective moral values....only subjectivity and opinions.  Even if a gathering of a large body of godless opinions agrees with you it is all grounded completely in subjectivity....hide it behind the generic facade of "science" if you want.  It just is what it is.  If you want truth then ground yourself in God....he's the standard by which all people are subject to and judged.  You keep referring to me and keep stating I'm projecting my psychological morals and logic (as if it's a mic drop of sorts LOL).  My position is grounded in God's standards....my position is God's standards.  That's it.

And please, do yourself a HUGE favor and don't draw from the poisoned well that is SF1900 LOL.  He's a walking contradiction (of epic proportions) and a master dodger and proponent of repeatedly speaking with no (or occassionally partial) context.  I've already clarified my position about "killing my child at God's command" within this very thread.  Y'all are choosing to ignore my words and pick the ones that you like to make your flawed argument stick....I can't help that.  :)

I am glad that you've finally answered by question about evil and that you claim not to support it.  That's terrific!!

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #630 on: March 30, 2016, 12:27:39 PM »
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #631 on: March 30, 2016, 01:09:17 PM »

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #632 on: March 30, 2016, 02:53:39 PM »
How embarrassing...you cannot even comprehend your own analogies or recognise the implications of your beliefs. First you write a defence of why you preach - comparing it to a burning building scenario, you then denounce this scenario when the obvious immorality of it is pointed out to you; i then simplify it further in the hope that you might actually grasp what it is you are rambling on about by stating that any disaster scenario is the same - that being - you are warning everyone about an impending doom coming their way, and now you thank me for "addressing your original point"? lol. Are you genuinely not able to understand that whichever way we tell the story, the fact remains that God is responsible for the impending doom, as he is the one responsible for the existence of hell and for creating the terms which will lead to people being condemned to spend eternity there. Go ahead and repeat yourself for the umpteenth time with the cowardly cop-out of "My position is God’s standards", but it doesn't negate the point i'm making that these standards are moronic, immoral, illogical and clearly untenable- given your pitiful attempt at justifying them.

“It's not gall that I say your opinion is grounded in subjectivity....it's the reality.”

I’ve literally just stated in my last post that my opinions on morality are based around what we know to be good and beneficial for the wellbeing of people and animals. Is it right to sacrifice pigs for no reason? Is it right to Murder innocent children? Is it right to drown the world because you’re angry? Is it right to stage a human sacrifice in order to remove sin through vicarious redemption?
For any rational, moral individual the answer to these questions would be a resounding "no". For you to claim it's fine when God does it, because these are his standards, and his standards are infallible, shows that you have no grasp of reality, no sense of morality and no ability to think for yourself. It’s all well and good being able to regurgitate arguments made the likes of William Lane Craig and Francis Collins, but you clearly have no ability to rationalise what it is that you are claiming to be God's inviolable laws - this is clearly displayed in your shocking inability to explain the logic behind God’s double standard that he set for the Israelites, only to then abandon these rules and make it a sin to obey them, after having already rigidly enforced them himself for a number of years. This is God's objective morality? LOL, get a grip. As for me "finally answering" you regarding evil and my apparent willingness to support it - perhaps if you weren't so busy basking in your own skewed sense of self-righteousness, you might have noted that i had already answered that earlier in the thread, when you first asked the obviously loaded question.

Regarding your blatant psychological projection - this is hardly an attempt at a  "mic drop" on my part, either. it's simply pointing out something which you are continually guilty of, but are either unwilling or unable to rectify. For you to describe SF1900 as a "walking contradiction (of epic proportions) and a master dodger and proponent of repeatedly speaking with no (or occassionally(sic) partial) context" is another hilarious example of you attempting to place your own shortcomings onto the shoulders of another. The comment wasn't even related to him; it was regarding the question that i put to you, and you answered. Let me remind you of your words:


"Given I know of Abraham’s example in scripture yes I would follow through, but I also know that God stopped Abraham after he was tested and didn't allow his child to die.
Without that knowledge of Abraham’s circumstance would my faith be as strong as Abraham’s if I were tested in the same manner?  I don’t know."


What words are we ignoring here? Only the sickest of fundamentalist minds could make such a truly reprehensible statement. you've said previously that it is wrong for an individual to try to "test God", yet you're perfectly fine with God testing you with a demand for child sacrifice in order to establish how much you love him, and you would willingly obey, given that you believe God would intervene before your child actually died? Even more shocking - you cannot even state outright that you wouldn't kill your kid if you didn't have this prior information!
What the hell is wrong with you? How could you say "I don’t know"? You don’t know if you would kill your own child or not, if you didn't have Abraham’s example in scripture? Unbelievable. Please reply with something more credible than "If God says it, then it must be true", if you are going to make a rebuttal, as this is going nowhere, and it's extremely frustrating.  

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #633 on: March 30, 2016, 03:26:21 PM »
Guys I'm missing a lot of the conversation but I wanted to jump in on the Abraham sacrificing Issac discussion real quick.

Without getting into the subjectiveness of the situation, it was literally a one time deal. Abraham was the first to have many experiences, for somone to think that they were being called to offer a human sacrifice based on his example is preposterous. It was a moment in history. We are called to live our lives in the here and now.

This was also a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of the son of God. Abraham, the father of the faith, was a archetype God and his long promised newborn son, innocent and pure, being a copy of Jesus.

It was a one time deal in scripture. We are to take away the symbolic act of laying down our lives (desires and nature) for Christ's life. Most Christian can barely do this, so those who think they could fulfill Abrahams shoes are deluded or insane.

I know most of you know this already but I thought I'd chime in.

I've also Google dmt..... so it's a mind altering drug that taps into the subconscious or am I way off base?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #634 on: March 30, 2016, 11:46:49 PM »
I've also Google dmt..... so it's a mind altering drug that taps into the subconscious or am I way off base?

mind altering or mind transcending.

taps in to the subconscious or catapults one beyond all personal identity altogether in to the womb of creation.

Or both. It depends on the person using it too and the amount ingested.

I have never taken it, but mushrooms and ayahuasca are structurally similar.

You have to inhale the plastic tasting smoke through a crack pipe  :-X

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #635 on: March 31, 2016, 12:56:35 AM »
Yes, I'm just getting back to this thread.  Had some things to do, but if it makes you feel bigger and better to continue insulting me you go ahead and do that.  ;)

Yes, believers are called to warn others of the impending danger of a Godless eternity and to sit by knowing of the danger and to not tell others would be evil IMHO....it wouldn't represent Christ.  So thank you for finally addressing my original point and the bolding of my comments to bigmc helps further that so thank you.  Yes the information I have is about Jesus Christ, but many others have it as well.  I just share it here.  Yes, people do define God's standards as trivial and trade evil for good and good for evil.  They don't want God's standards, they want their own standards to be upheld.  I'm here to warn others about how dangerous that proposition is.

It's not gall that I say your opinion is grounded in subjectivity....it's the reality.  I'm sorry you don't like it.  Without God you have no objective moral values....only subjectivity and opinions.  Even if a gathering of a large body of godless opinions agrees with you it is all grounded completely in subjectivity....hide it behind the generic facade of "science" if you want.  It just is what it is.  If you want truth then ground yourself in God....he's the standard by which all people are subject to and judged.  You keep referring to me and keep stating I'm projecting my psychological morals and logic (as if it's a mic drop of sorts LOL).  My position is grounded in God's standards....my position is God's standards.  That's it.

And please, do yourself a HUGE favor and don't draw from the poisoned well that is SF1900 LOL.  He's a walking contradiction (of epic proportions) and a master dodger and proponent of repeatedly speaking with no (or occassionally partial) context.  I've already clarified my position about "killing my child at God's command" within this very thread.  Y'all are choosing to ignore my words and pick the ones that you like to make your flawed argument stick....I can't help that.  :)

I am glad that you've finally answered by question about evil and that you claim not to support it.  That's terrific!!

You've been targeted for social assassination.  You'll be over at RX in no time.  :)

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #636 on: March 31, 2016, 04:49:23 AM »
I've also Google dmt..... so it's a mind altering drug that taps into the subconscious or am I way off base?

mind altering or mind transcending.

taps in to the subconscious or catapults one beyond all personal identity altogether in to the womb of creation.

Or both. It depends on the person using it too and the amount ingested.

I have never taken it, but mushrooms and ayahuasca are structurally similar.

You have to inhale the plastic tasting smoke through a crack pipe  :-X

Vaping it is the way to go, no nasty plastic taste, and no crack pipe!

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #637 on: March 31, 2016, 05:45:00 AM »
Guys I'm missing a lot of the conversation but I wanted to jump in on the Abraham sacrificing Issac discussion real quick.

Without getting into the subjectiveness of the situation, it was literally a one time deal. Abraham was the first to have many experiences, for somone to think that they were being called to offer a human sacrifice based on his example is preposterous. It was a moment in history. We are called to live our lives in the here and now.

This was also a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of the son of God. Abraham, the father of the faith, was a archetype God and his long promised newborn son, innocent and pure, being a copy of Jesus.

It was a one time deal in scripture. We are to take away the symbolic act of laying down our lives (desires and nature) for Christ's life. Most Christian can barely do this, so those who think they could fulfill Abrahams shoes are deluded or insane.

I know most of you know this already but I thought I'd chime in.

I've also Google dmt..... so it's a mind altering drug that taps into the subconscious or am I way off base?

A one time deal from a perfect all loving creator? to kill his child? LMAO...

it's as clear as day, ALL holy books are books written by morons, morality does not come from the bible, this is a fact. We know where morals come from, reason and logic, that's it. As we get more intelligent as a civilization our collective morality (ethics) improves, slavery is no longer acceptable, it was in biblical times, how can you derive your morals from a book which is patently bullshit?

You fuckers want to take us back to the stone age(not you lol), talking about sacrifices, sins and all other made up bullshit the goat herders believed in.

It's laughable any grown human could look at this book objectively and find it helpful in any manner, if I put it next to the documents of scientology, how would you determine which is true? by corroborating the evidence, snakes don't talk, people don't walk on water, no contemporary historian mentions any of these miraculous feats. Imagine if he went to the asians, who actually had a civilization, not the backward nutbags in the middle east received the message.


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #638 on: March 31, 2016, 05:47:18 AM »



No, you’re previous statement was about death for worshipping other false Gods.  You moved the goalposts just slightly:
 
I already explained the sinister nature of engaging in the practice of worshipping pagan gods and the harm it brought others.  Again, why do you support folks that engage in this type of evil?  Why do you feel this behavior should go unpunished?  Yes folks that engage in evil and cause others to participate in said evil could lose their lives because of it.  Shouldn't those that commit evil acts be punished?  Shouldn't those that outright defy God's holy standards be punished?  Even lose their lives in some instances?  Actually think for a moment about who is being defied here....the sovereign Lord and God of all there is. 


His holy standards are quite poor, newsflash, no pagan gods exist, why the fuck would god care about them? does he care about thor the god of thunder also?

WORSHIPPING is the sin, he invented paganism if he created all, how many mental backflips must you do to keep the dissonance down?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #639 on: March 31, 2016, 06:06:45 AM »
Slavery, just fine and dandy according to the Bible.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #640 on: March 31, 2016, 06:43:10 AM »
You've been targeted for social assassination.  You'll be over at RX in no time.  :)

You going to assassinate me Abraham?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #641 on: March 31, 2016, 07:49:47 AM »
How embarrassing...you cannot even comprehend your own analogies or recognise the implications of your beliefs. First you write a defence of why you preach - comparing it to a burning building scenario, you then denounce this scenario when the obvious immorality of it is pointed out to you; i then simplify it further in the hope that you might actually grasp what it is you are rambling on about by stating that any disaster scenario is the same - that being - you are warning everyone about an impending doom coming their way, and now you thank me for "addressing your original point"? lol. Are you genuinely not able to understand that whichever way we tell the story, the fact remains that God is responsible for the impending doom, as he is the one responsible for the existence of hell and for creating the terms which will lead to people being condemned to spend eternity there. Go ahead and repeat yourself for the umpteenth time with the cowardly cop-out of "My position is God’s standards", but it doesn't negate the point i'm making that these standards are moronic, immoral, illogical and clearly untenable- given your pitiful attempt at justifying them.

“It's not gall that I say your opinion is grounded in subjectivity....it's the reality.”

I’ve literally just stated in my last post that my opinions on morality are based around what we know to be good and beneficial for the wellbeing of people and animals. Is it right to sacrifice pigs for no reason? Is it right to murder innocent children? Is it right to drown the world because you’re angry? Is it right to stage a human sacrifice in order to remove sin through vicarious redemption?
For any rational, moral individual the answer to these questions would be a resounding "no". For you to claim it's fine when God does it, because these are his standards, and his standards are infallible, shows that you have no grasp of reality, no sense of morality and no ability to think for yourself. It’s all well and good being able to regurgitate arguments made by the likes of William Lane Craig and Francis Collins, but you clearly have no ability to rationalise what it is that you are claiming to be God's inviolable laws - this is clearly displayed in your shocking inability to explain the logic behind God’s double standard that he set for the Israelites, only to then abandon these rules and make it a sin to obey them, after having already rigidly enforced them himself for a number of years. This is God's objective morality? LOL, get a grip. As for me "finally answering" you regarding evil and my apparent willingness to support it - perhaps if you weren't so busy basking in your own skewed sense of self-righteousness, you might have noted that i had already answered that earlier in the thread, when you first asked the obviously loaded question.

Regarding your blatant psychological projection - this is hardly an attempt at a  "mic drop" on my part, either. it's simply pointing out something which you are continually guilty of, but are either unwilling or unable to rectify. For you to describe SF1900 as a "walking contradiction (of epic proportions) and a master dodger and proponent of repeatedly speaking with no (or occassionally(sic) partial) context" is another hilarious example of you attempting to place your own shortcomings onto the shoulders of another. The comment wasn't even related to him; it was regarding the question that i put to you, and you answered. Let me remind you of your words:


"Given I know of Abraham’s example in scripture yes I would follow through, but I also know that God stopped Abraham after he was tested and didn't allow his child to die.
Without that knowledge of Abraham’s circumstance would my faith be as strong as Abraham’s if I were tested in the same manner?  I don’t know."


What words are we ignoring here? Only the sickest of fundamentalist minds could make such a truly reprehensible statement. you've said previously that it is wrong for an individual to try to "test God", yet you're perfectly fine with God testing you with a demand for child sacrifice in order to establish how much you love him, and you would willingly obey, given that you believe God would intervene before your child actually died? Even more shocking - you cannot even state outright that you wouldn't kill your kid if you didn't have this prior information!
What the hell is wrong with you? How could you say "I don’t know"? You don’t know if you would kill your own child or not, if you didn't have Abraham’s example in scripture? Unbelievable. Please reply with something more credible than "If God says it, then it must be true", if you are going to make a rebuttal, as this is going nowhere, and it's extremely frustrating.  

Since you contacted me privately about this post I won't reply to it.

*** for the record Captain Freedom did not privately request that I not post a reply ***

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #642 on: March 31, 2016, 07:55:03 AM »
His holy standards are quite poor, newsflash, no pagan gods exist, why the fuck would god care about them? does he care about thor the god of thunder also?

WORSHIPPING is the sin, he invented paganism if he created all, how many mental backflips must you do to keep the dissonance down?

Actually he cares about the people that hurt themselves and others while engaging in worship of these false gods.

So in this case we need some historical context.  

Objectors of these verses typically envision and portray the Israelites worshipping fun-loving, happy-go-lucky, false gods of flowers, puppies and rainbows.  :-*  And whichever of the pure of heart Israelites chose to worship these sugary-sweet, gentler than gentle, kinder than kind false gods was put to death by the vindictive, murderous, jealous, bitter, petty, vile God of the Hebrews!!  BOOOOOOOO Hebrew God!  How could you?!!   >:(

Not the case.  

Pagan worship was anything but smiles, puppies and candy bars.  It was live infant sacrifice via burning to death on white hot altars to Molech.  It was self-mutilation within ceremonies of sexual perversion and the whoring of young women in demonic rituals to Baal.  It was demonic rituals of witchcraft/sorcery and further ritualistic sexual perversion and whoring of women to the pagan goddess Asherah.  It was carnal, it was dark, it was twisted, it was evil, it was demonic and it destroyed countless innocents.

So, if an Israelite defied his/her sacred covenant with God and chose to participate in the evil worship and practices of false pagan gods such as Baal, Asherah and Molech they lost their wretched lives for it.  These folks traded new and righteous life in order to corrupt and destroy the lives of others.

Do I believe God was just?  Absolutely.  If a person is going to break a righteous covenant with God and engage in acts that pervert and murder innocents then it's absolutely just that your life be forfeit as punishment.  

People came up with their false, pagan gods.  God gave folks the ability to choose and that includes the option to defy his law and engage in evil.  Look there, no backflips.

Worship is sin?  Ok.  What is worship necrosis?  I've asked you this already and you ignored it (you ignored all my questions actually).

Why would God who is the ultimate standard of righteousness, justice, grace, mercy and love be accountable to his creation?  Because you say so?  And?

If God were accountable he wouldn't be God.  That which he would be accountable to would be God and and so forth and so on.....an infinite regression that doesn't work.

Your personal lack of humility has no bearing on God or any standard by which other men should be required to follow....it's subjective standards.  Believers prescribe to the ultimate, objective standards of God.

What is worship?  And tell me about your experience with worship and the love of God?  


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #643 on: March 31, 2016, 08:00:48 AM »
Slavery, just fine and dandy according to the Bible.


The rules for slavery regarding Israel in the OT had nothing to do with the antebellum South or the slavery they were delivered from in Egypt.  Two entirely different things....one was forced (ex: antebellum South and Israelites in Egypt) and the other was voluntary/customary for debt payment (ex: Israelites post-Egypt freedom).  One was about inhumanity (ex: antebellum South and Israelites in Egypt) and one was about the preservation of humanity and rights of the servant/slave while working off individual or family debt (ex: Israel post-Egypt freedom).  The word "slave" is always incorrecty associated with the antebellum South...just not the case for OT Israel. 

Many slaves/bond servants ended up staying with the very owner/family they worked for after their debts were satisfied because they chose to.  Many became full-time hands on the owners land receiving a normal wage.  These folks weren't "picking the cotton on Massah's plantation" and then being beaten and/or raped in the evenings.....no, no, no.

I know many have serious issues with slavery in the bible, but the "issue of slavery" doesn't carry the negative connotation often force fit onto it because of the words “slave” or ”slavery”.  It’s the culture and history of the Israelites who were delivered from the forced, "work til you die" slavery in Egypt that needs to be understood.   If the Israelite that held the debt did something to mistreat the bondservant working off the debt the holder of debt was punished.  God that freed the Israelites didn't turn around and say, "Ok, now y'all go ahead and enslave and mistreat others in the same manner you were just freed from".   


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #644 on: March 31, 2016, 08:07:38 AM »
MOS, if you have additional points to make that we haven't gone over then please, feel free to make them. I just wanted to message that on reading back my post from yesterday, it sounded a bit more vitriolic than I had intended. I didn't have much time to post and wasn't in the greatest of moods!

I understand.  I have my bad days too.  Happens to the best of us. 

If you want me to respond I will and I'll do so considering exactly what you PM'd.

I appreciate and respect folks that can apologize....shows quality of character.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #645 on: March 31, 2016, 08:08:25 AM »
MOS,

Do you concede that it may be possible that the bible is a 2000 year old work of fiction?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #646 on: March 31, 2016, 08:51:20 AM »
MOS,

Do you concede that it may be possible that the bible is a 2000 year old work of fiction?

Short answer:  no

Given all of God that I've experienced it is absolutely impossible that it is a work of fiction.


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #647 on: March 31, 2016, 08:53:05 AM »
What is "Dog Food Lid" backwards?

"Dildo of God"

Coincidence? I think not.
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #648 on: March 31, 2016, 09:06:43 AM »
Short answer:  no

Given all of God that I've experienced it is absolutely impossible that it is a work of fiction.



One can experience the fullness of God without even knowing the bible exists.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #649 on: March 31, 2016, 09:22:09 AM »
One can experience the fullness of God without even knowing the bible exists.

Agreed!