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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #650 on: March 31, 2016, 09:26:47 AM »
Short answer:  no

Given all of God that I've experienced it is absolutely impossible that it is a work of fiction.

Do you concede that it is pointless to attempt to reason with someone who is immovable in their views?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #651 on: March 31, 2016, 09:28:02 AM »
Do you concede that it is pointless to attempt to reason with someone who is immovable in their views?

I agree (not concede) it is pointless to attempt to reason as stated.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #652 on: March 31, 2016, 09:57:48 AM »
One can experience the fullness of God without even knowing the bible exists.

Like the three hermits, "who understand nothing, and never speak a word," in Tolstoy's classic tale* (which echoes much of Kierkegaard, and served as inspiration for Wittgenstein's famous Prop. 7, "pass over in silence" thingamajiggy, in the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus).**

*(http://www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/2896/)

**Which provided for fruitful analysis of certain bodybuilding phenomena:

Whereof one cannot secure professional sponsorship, thereof one can G4P with subtropical fruit.

And further scholarly Kai-ntrabutions from the think tank:

The most memorable (and arguably most important) proposition of the Tractatus Filtico-Homoeroticus, to be sure.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #653 on: March 31, 2016, 10:41:40 AM »
I agree (not concede) it is pointless to attempt to reason as stated.

Would it therefore be correct to say that: your belief that jesus christ is the son of god, is immune to a reasonable argument for the opposite?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #654 on: March 31, 2016, 10:50:02 AM »
Would it therefore be correct to say that: your belief that jesus christ is the son of god, is immune to a reasonable argument for the opposite?

Depends on the argument presented.  

If it's the standard issue argument that includes refusing to actively engage in that which God stipulates in scripture in order to know Jesus Christ personally then yes.  It's an uninformed argument based completely in subjectivity.  If you desire to argue about God's existence yet refuse to abide by his terms in scripture then you don't have a leg to stand on....you just have an uninformed opinion.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #655 on: March 31, 2016, 12:23:26 PM »
Depends on the argument presented.  

See above. re: my previous three questions.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #656 on: March 31, 2016, 01:14:35 PM »
See above. re: my previous three questions.

I'm sorry, what about them do I need to reference?

If the argument is based upon genuine, proactive knowledge of God as stated in scripture then there's an argument to be had.

If the argument is the standard fare "I'm not following the bible and have no experience with God, but know he doesn't exist" bit then there's no argument to be had.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #657 on: March 31, 2016, 01:16:57 PM »
I'm sorry, what about them do I need to reference?

If the argument is based upon genuine, proactive knowledge of God as stated in scripture then there's an argument to be had.

If the argument is the standard fare "I'm not following the bible and have no experience with God, but know he doesn't exist" bit then there's no argument to be had.

I have extensive knowledge of God. But it's not stated in words written in a controversial book... does that count? Can I argue that this God I know extensively says the claim Jesus is the son of God is complete nonsense?

Your criteria for the discussion is laughable MOS

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #658 on: March 31, 2016, 01:28:46 PM »
I have extensive knowledge of God. But it's not stated in words written in a controversial book... does that count? Can I argue that this God I know extensively says the claim Jesus is the son of God is complete nonsense?

Your criteria for the discussion is laughable MOS

My criteria?  This is God's criteria.  Why would I take counsel from an unbeliever with no personal knowledge of God?  Anyone can read a book about God.   

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #659 on: March 31, 2016, 01:33:55 PM »
28 pages. God is, obviously, not a Getbigger.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #660 on: March 31, 2016, 01:51:32 PM »
My criteria?  This is God's criteria.  Why would I take counsel from an unbeliever with no personal knowledge of God?  Anyone can read a book about God.  

You do realize there will come a day when people who talk as you do about this imaginary friend will be considered mentally ill right?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #661 on: March 31, 2016, 01:54:33 PM »
You do realize there will come a day when people who talk as you do about this imaginary friend will be considered mentally ill right?

That day is already here.

A day will come when believers are jailed and/or executed.....that's already beginning as well.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #662 on: March 31, 2016, 02:12:34 PM »
Short answer:  no

Given all of God that I've experienced it is absolutely impossible that it is a work of fiction.

Do you concede that it is pointless to attempt to reason with someone who is immovable in their views?

I agree (not concede) it is pointless to attempt to reason as stated.

Would it therefore be correct to say that: your belief that jesus christ is the son of god, is immune to a reasonable argument for the opposite?

I am asking you if your belief that jesus is the son of god is even debatable, given that you previously stated that it is impossible for the bible to be a work of fiction, and that you agree that it is pointless to attempt to reason with someone is immovable in their views.

I simply highlight the fact that I would like an answer from you. The question is simple, and is based on your previous answers.


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #663 on: March 31, 2016, 02:13:24 PM »
That day is already here.

A day will come when believers are jailed and/or executed.....that's already beginning as well.

Christians have done this to non-christians (or even christians who deviate from the dogma) for thousands of years. Muslims have been doing this to everyone non-stop to this day.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #664 on: March 31, 2016, 02:36:36 PM »
I am asking you if your belief that jesus is the son of god is even debatable, given that you previously stated that it is impossible for the bible to be a work of fiction, and that you agree that it is pointless to attempt to reason with someone is immovable in their views.

I simply highlight the fact that I would like an answer from you. The question is simple, and is based on your previous answers.



Here was my answer:

Depends on the argument presented.  

If it's the standard issue argument that includes refusing to actively engage in that which God stipulates in scripture in order to know Jesus Christ personally then yes.  It's an uninformed argument based completely in subjectivity.  If you desire to argue about God's existence yet refuse to abide by his terms in scripture then you don't have a leg to stand on....you just have an uninformed opinion.

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Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!


Here's the answer you want:  no it isn't

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #665 on: March 31, 2016, 02:46:26 PM »
Christians have done this to non-christians (or even christians who deviate from the dogma) for thousands of years. Muslims have been doing this to everyone non-stop to this day.

All sort of folks have done things in the name of God....doesn't make them Christians.  The early Christian church was the Catholic church and it failed miserably after the initial crusades.  Hiring hordes of mercenary like thugs to fight on their behalf and eventually the godless hordes took over.  The Catholic church continued to fail in its ministry and mission and the church was split and reformed because the Catholic church no longer represented Christ.  There have been some folks that call themselves Christians and have done some despicable things today and I wouldn't consider them Christians (nominal Christians only....cue the No True Scotsman fallacy).  I can't say for certain on every individual though.  

The level of religious and Christian persecution in particular will reach heights never seen before.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #666 on: March 31, 2016, 03:13:52 PM »
Here was my answer:

Here's the answer you want:  no it isn't

Thanks. See, there really was no need for quoting the bible.

I just wanted to check that you really were confirming you are immune to reason in this regard. Are there any other areas of your life where you are immune to reason?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #667 on: March 31, 2016, 05:28:14 PM »
A one time deal from a perfect all loving creator? to kill his child? LMAO...

it's as clear as day, ALL holy books are books written by morons, morality does not come from the bible, this is a fact. We know where morals come from, reason and logic, that's it. As we get more intelligent as a civilization our collective morality (ethics) improves, slavery is no longer acceptable, it was in biblical times, how can you derive your morals from a book which is patently bullshit?

You fuckers want to take us back to the stone age(not you lol), talking about sacrifices, sins and all other made up bullshit the goat herders believed in.

It's laughable any grown human could look at this book objectively and find it helpful in any manner, if I put it next to the documents of scientology, how would you determine which is true? by corroborating the evidence, snakes don't talk, people don't walk on water, no contemporary historian mentions any of these miraculous feats. Imagine if he went to the asians, who actually had a civilization, not the backward nutbags in the middle east received the message.




You make some valid points.

I once dated a woman who's 6 year old told his teacher that the reason snakes don't have legs anymore is because they tricked Adam and Eve, and the teacher was polite and told the rest of the class snakes never had legs.  

I totally understand why people have complete opposition to the bible. There are claims that we can't verify (snakes with legs, where is the garden of eden today, the ark...).

There were cultural practices and events that occurred that of course are obsolete. As I've said before slavery has been and is a staple of the human condition. Just because modern society has "outlawed" it within the last 180 years doesn't mean it isn't practiced (again I'll refer to debt and the sex trade).  

We live in a culture where we publicly admonish racism, sexism and bigotry yet privately many practice it.  During biblical times they were blatant with their judgements.

To say one way is better than another is subjective, both systems have their strengths and weaknesses (Of course I'm talking about the American  justice/court system).

If someone were to take anything from the Bible it would be the primary principle that Jesus taught that we should love others as we do ourselves. But so many despise their own self it's near impossible for then to love someone else.


Again great perspective.


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #668 on: March 31, 2016, 05:33:14 PM »
29 pages and still not moved to the religion board.  ::)

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #669 on: April 01, 2016, 03:09:18 AM »

You make some valid points.

I once dated a woman who's 6 year old told his teacher that the reason snakes don't have legs anymore is because they tricked Adam and Eve, and the teacher was polite and told the rest of the class snakes never had legs.  

I totally understand why people have complete opposition to the bible. There are claims that we can't verify (snakes with legs, where is the garden of eden today, the ark...).

There were cultural practices and events that occurred that of course are obsolete. As I've said before slavery has been and is a staple of the human condition. Just because modern society has "outlawed" it within the last 180 years doesn't mean it isn't practiced (again I'll refer to debt and the sex trade).  

We live in a culture where we publicly admonish racism, sexism and bigotry yet privately many practice it.  During biblical times they were blatant with their judgements.

To say one way is better than another is subjective, both systems have their strengths and weaknesses (Of course I'm talking about the American  justice/court system).

If someone were to take anything from the Bible it would be the primary principle that Jesus taught that we should love others as we do ourselves. But so many despise their own self it's near impossible for then to love someone else.


Again great perspective.



Sure, but the main point is that you do not have to read the bible or know anything about jesus to love others, the bible got it's morals from men.


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #670 on: April 01, 2016, 06:24:26 AM »
29 pages and still not moved to the religion board.  ::)

We have a religion board?!!!  ??? ???

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #671 on: April 01, 2016, 07:01:11 AM »
We have a religion board?!!!  ??? ???

yes it makes for some excellent reading  ::)
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #672 on: April 01, 2016, 07:19:18 AM »
Like in the sky or on tv or anything? Like to say do this and don't do that, im happy with this, im not happy with that.

He doesn't.

Because hes not real.

Now grow up.

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« Reply #673 on: April 01, 2016, 07:22:25 AM »
yes it makes for some excellent reading  ::)

Guess you discovered that new thing called sarcasm  ::)

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #674 on: April 01, 2016, 07:46:52 AM »
Thanks. See, there really was no need for quoting the bible.

I just wanted to check that you really were confirming you are immune to reason in this regard. Are there any other areas of your life where you are immune to reason?

That's just it, you didn't confirm anything.  It's the reason I quoted scripture.  God and his scripture is the authority that I appeal to...it isn't of me.

Why would I take counsel about God from the godless?  Or opinions about Jesus Christ from those that deny him?