So why doesnt God appear every now and again?

[Agnostic007]

29 pages and still not moved to the religion board. 

That is why it is 29 pages. Had it been moved... 4 pages tops

[Agnostic007]

That's just it, you didn't confirm anything.  It's the reason I quoted scripture.  God and his scripture is the authority that I appeal to...it isn't of me.

Why would I take counsel about God from the godless?  Or opinions about Jesus Christ from those that deny him? 

But you realize.. maybe you don't, that the scripture you reference to support your position was written by men.. anonymous men.. and not from God. So knowing that for fact, how can you use that to support your stance.? isn't that the definition of circular logic?

[Man of Steel]

But you realize.. maybe you don't, that the scripture you reference to support your position was written by men.. anonymous men.. and not from God. So knowing that for fact, how can you use that to support your stance.? isn't that the definition of circular logic?

Of course it seems circular to those who haven't experienced or outright deny God.  "You're just appealing to a book written by men that states it's inspired by God.....men wrote that verse as well.  Saying a book is inspired because it says it's inspired isn't justification for inspiration....its circular logic."  I'm well aware of this, but there's FAR more to my justification and it's absolutely personal and completely divine.

Here's the simple yet crucial reason why the bible is 100% accurate and inspired:  I have experience Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit in my life repeatedly in exactly the same manner as those in scripture and those experiences validate scripture and who God is for me.  I followed scripture and it was fulfilled.  I have 100% confidence because of it.....a lot of believers don't share that same confidence (I understand that).  

I surrendered to Christ exactly as stated in scripture and my perception was instantly changed, my outlook on life was almost instantly changed, I could understand scripture like never before, I no longer desired the sinful things I craved heavily the day before and I've repeatedly and continuously experienced the tangible presence of the Holy Spirit.

I've interacted physically with the Holy Spirit while in private moments of prayer (and worship).  Within moments of prayer I'm speaking to my heavenly father and I humbly ask that the Holy Spirit's presence that was surrounding me be increased and it did the moment after I asked.  I humbly ask for more of God and I get more of God.  I can feel the Holy Spirit....his presence is thick and tangible around me at times.  My body will tingle and get hot....sometimes head to toe.  And although my body reacts to the stimulus in the same way all our bodies are designed to react the stimulus does not originate from the inside of me.  I'm touched from outside of myself and my body reacts to that interaction.  No drugs, no mental illness, no confusion, no nothing that would cloud my judgment....completely lucid, healthy and aware (of course I know this sentence will be played upon).

I can speak more on this topic, but I know the response from atheists in this thread and to this post.  Frankly, I'm unconcerned about that response and I know exactly what it will be before it's written.  There may be only one other person that reads my words and needed to read my words to help make an affirmative choice for Jesus Christ.  That's what I care about.  I spend almost 30 pages in a single thread going back and forth with atheists so the Christian voice is heard.  I'm not motivated by "winning a debate"....that's meaningless.

[Agnostic007]

The reason you know the answer before you hear it is that it's a perfectly logical normal sane response to your claim.

[freespirit]

[10pints]

That's just it, you didn't confirm anything.  It's the reason I quoted scripture.  God and his scripture is the authority that I appeal to...it isn
Why would I take counsel about God from the godless?  Or opinions about Jesus Christ from those that deny him? 

You are correct "I" didn't confirm anything, you did.

I am not offering counsel about god. I am not offering opinions about Jesus.

I am merely trying to ascertain when you are open to reason, and when you are not.

On the subject of Jesus Christ being the son of God, by your own admission, you are not open to reason.

[freespirit]

[Man of Steel]

Thread for the generic religion troll:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605923.0

tl/dr

[bigmc]

man of pies had to sacrifice his once great sense of humour for his religion

must be in the job description tat you have to become a pious twat

[freespirit]

Thread for the generic religion troll:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605923.0

tl/dr

[Man of Steel]

You are correct "I" didn't confirm anything, you did.

I am not offering counsel about god. I am not offering opinions about Jesus.

I am merely trying to ascertain when you are open to reason, and when you are not.

On the subject of Jesus Christ being the son of God, by your own admission, you are not open to reason.

As I said, when it comes to reasoning given by God haters I am not open to any of it.....it's a completely uninformed opinion.  I really used to try to understand and be very considerate....after repeatedly getting spit in the face I learned how pointless that is. I don't care about which God hater book you read that stands opposed to my faith.  I'm happy to entertain it only for the sake of refuting it and giving others reading an informed Christian perspective.

Discussion with non God haters (believer or unbeliever) that's completely different.....fully open to it.....all day, every day.

[Man of Steel]

tl/dr/dc

[Man of Steel]

man of pies had to sacrifice his once great sense of humour for his religion

must be in the job description tat you have to become a pious twat

Romans 6:1-7
1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.


Romans 8:12-17
12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.

[10pints]

As I said, when it comes to reasoning given by God haters I am not open to any of it.....it's a completely uninformed opinion.  I really used to try to understand and be very considerate....after repeatedly getting spit in the face I learned how pointless that is. I don't care about which God hater book you read that stands opposed to my faith.  I'm happy to entertain it only for the sake of refuting it and giving others reading an informed Christian perspective.

Discussion with non God haters (believer or unbeliever) that's completely different.....fully open to it.....all day, every day.

"God haters" That is a strange choice of words. It sounds militant.

If I told you that I am a Hindu, and that the hindu book is the is the Gita, which clearly is opposed to your book, and that; I am in no way attempting to "spit in your face".

What would you say? Am I uniformed?

[Man of Steel]

"God haters" That is a strange choice of words. It sounds militant.

If I told you that I am a Hindu, and that the hindu book is the is the Gita, which clearly is opposed to your book, and that; I am in no way attempting to "spit in your face".

What would you say? Am I uniformed?

What would you prefer?  Why does it bother you?  I'm a Satan hater.  I'm an evil hater.  I'm a sin hater. 

Uniformed on matters of Christianity?  Probably.   Completely uninformed and a God hater?  No.

We can do "what ifs" all day attempting to find that perfect combination that refutes my post, but in the end it'll come right back to my position on God haters.

[10pints]

What would you prefer?  Why does it bother you?  I'm a Satan hater.  I'm an evil hater.  I'm a sin hater. 

Uniformed on matters of Christianity?  Probably.   Completely uninformed and a God hater?  No.

We can do "what ifs" all day attempting to find that perfect combination that refutes my post, but in the end it'll come right back to my position on God haters.

I don't hate God. I don't even know if he exists! Can we stop using your hatred of those who do not believe in God as a proxy for the real issue, which I am trying to discuss: your admitted unreasonableness.

Other than the whole Jesus / God thing, are you a reasonable person?

[Man of Steel]

I don't hate God. I don't even know if he exists! Can we stop using your hatred of those who do not believe in God as a proxy for the real issue, which I am trying to discuss: your admitted unreasonableness.

Other than the whole Jesus / God thing, are you a reasonable person?

I've admitted no such thing and my previous posts already outline my position so this will be my last statement in that regard.

I don't hate you or anyone.  I speak like I do out of love and concern for people.  I never attack anyone, but today I speak plainly and directly....folks are critical of it.  Yet they have no problem mocking and ridiculing me publically.....no nevermind that though.   I rarely see one of you guys telling another of your atheist pals to "stop attacking MOS...no need for that".

I want to see people saved, but it isn't up to me.

Still, some folks have made up their minds and don't want any part of God.....I can't do anything for em and I'm certainly not taking counsel about God from them either.

Now if you aren't a God hater you shouldn't be bothered by the term because it doesn't apply to you.  It's really that simple.  

When people react to a term like "God hater" or scripture stating things like "don't have sex outside of marriage" or "don't get drunk" it elicits responses in folks.  If you aren't doing those things it shouldn't bother you at all, but it holds folks accountable and triggers anger because most folks don't like to have their sinful behaviors disclosed.  They challenge it, they insult the messenger, they twist arguments, the twist scripture, they search for red herrings....they try anything they can to avoid accepting accountability.  Most of these threads go off on so many wild tangents and completely divert from the topic at hand because of that very reason.   So many religious threads may begin with a topic such as "people engaging in idolatry" and by the end of the thread I'm answering questions about "not mixing fabrics", "kinds of animals", eschatology and the crusades.

[Dr Dutch]

When I'm constipated, stomach and belly hurts, visit the bathroom time after time.........

And then I finally succeed....I THANK GOD !!!!

[Man of Steel]

When I'm constipated, stomach and belly hurts, visit the bathroom time after time.........

And then I finally succeed....I THANK GOD !!!!

There are no atheists in foxholes on toilet bowls.

[Man of Steel]

That is why it is 29 pages. Had it been moved... 4 pages tops

Exactly, there isn't any dog piling and bandwagoning on the religion board....not as fun for folks.

[BigRo]

It should be renamed the Christianity board lets be honest now

[dr.chimps]

It should be renamed the Christianity board lets be honest now

May not jibe with MOS' evangelical angle. 

[bigmc]

i hope mos sees the light

its getting worse like religious tourettes

he even cried at the batman film

a decent in to madness 

[obsidian]

I once dated a woman who's 6 year old told his teacher that the reason snakes don't have legs anymore is because they tricked Adam and Eve, and the teacher was polite and told the rest of the class snakes never had legs.

The teacher obviously is a moron. Snakes had legs, they evolved from Lizards.

http://news.discovery.com/animals/zoo-animals/snakes-lost-legs-evolution-110207.htm

THE GIST

- Snakes lost their legs by growing them more slowly or for a shorter period of time until the legs eventually disappeared.

- Legs on snakes likely disturbed some form of movement, such as burrowing, rendering the legs useless.

- It's now believed that snakes either evolved from a lizard that burrowed on land or swam in the ocean.

Some, if not all, snakes used to have legs, and now new research suggests snakes lost their limbs by growing them more slowly or for a shorter period of time.

The research, outlined in the latest issue of the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, strengthens the belief that snakes evolved from a lizard that either burrowed on land or swam in the ocean.

In either case, its legs must have become less useful as the animal evolved over time.

[obsidian]

I don't hate God. I don't even know if he exists! Can we stop using your hatred of those who do not believe in God as a proxy for the real issue, which I am trying to discuss: your admitted unreasonableness.

Other than the whole Jesus / God thing, are you a reasonable person?

The Creator does exist. Proof for that is the Universe you live in and you yourself. You can't have a design without a designer.

Some call him God, others Allah. Whatever. To me it is more important to comprehend that a Creator exists instead of getting caught up in religions or differences between them.

However it is interesting that Genesis is an allegorical explanation of the Big Bang. I don't take the Bible literal. For example Noah and his Ark and that the Earth was created literally in 6 days.

I am unsure if the Creator is a "Personal Creator".