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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1150 on: April 18, 2016, 12:59:00 PM »
That's ok if you don't want to answer.   "none of it makes sense" isn't an answer...it's a dodge.  "burning bushes" and "pillars of salt" are red herrings.  

My questions are rarely answered.

I've provided explanation for the passage and others can read it now.  I'm fine with it.

sorry i missed your question

put it up in one sentence and il answer to the best of my ability
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1151 on: April 18, 2016, 01:15:10 PM »
sorry i missed your question

put it up in one sentence and il answer to the best of my ability

No problem.

Question:  Which of the following makes more sense given the context (both linguistically, culturally and reasonably):

A group of 42 small children were playfully teasing a prophet and God murdered them with bears for no reason.

or

A group of 42 bad-intentioned "youths" or "young men" (anywhere from 16-20 yrs old) were threatening a prophet of God (and by extension threatening God himself) and God protected his prophet and destroyed the gang.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1152 on: April 18, 2016, 01:59:47 PM »
No problem.

Question:  Which of the following makes more sense given the context (both linguistically, culturally and reasonably):

A group of 42 small children were playfully teasing a prophet and God murdered them with bears for no reason.

or

A group of 42 bad-intentioned "youths" or "young men" (anywhere from 16-20 yrs old) were threatening a prophet of God (and by extension threatening God himself) and God protected his prophet and destroyed the gang.

as a starting point none of it makes sense to me

of course objectively its easier to digest if the second version where you are now of course saying they could be twenty they seem to get older everytime you post it

and threatening is a real stretch even by your standards

and have you forgotten the bears

my take is that passage was written by an angry bald guy that got teased by kids a lot

you know they tell kids fairy tales to scare them in to good behaviour

it could be argued that the bible is a fairy tale designed to get people to behave a certain way

of course when i post other examples of ridiculous nonsense like the pillar of salt you call them red herrings

can you explain why that is?

my points is the bible is full of ridiculous superstitious nonsense

which dilutes the many good parts for instance i like the good samaritin story

the mas killings and petulant revenge parts not so much


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1153 on: April 18, 2016, 02:01:23 PM »
as a starting point none of it makes sense to me

of course objectively its easier to digest if the second version where you are now of course saying they could be twenty they seem to get older everytime you post it

and threatening is a real stretch even by your standards

and have you forgotten the bears

my take is that passage was written by an angry bald guy that got teased by kids a lot

you know they tell kids fairy tales to scare them in to good behaviour

it could be argued that the bible is a fairy tale designed to get people to behave a certain way

of course when i post other examples of ridiculous nonsense like the pillar of salt you call them red herrings

can you explain why that is?

my points is the bible is full of ridiculous superstitious nonsense

which dilutes the many good parts for instance i like the good samaritin story

the mas killings and petulant revenge parts not so much



Question:  Which of the following makes more sense given the context (both linguistically, culturally and reasonably):

A group of 42 small children were playfully teasing a prophet and God murdered them with bears for no reason.

or

A group of 42 bad-intentioned "youths" or "young men" (anywhere from 16-20 yrs old) were threatening a prophet of God (and by extension threatening God himself) and God protected his prophet and destroyed the gang.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1154 on: April 18, 2016, 02:05:08 PM »
Question:  Which of the following makes more sense given the context (both linguistically, culturally and reasonably):

A group of 42 small children were playfully teasing a prophet and God murdered them with bears for no reason.

or

A group of 42 bad-intentioned "youths" or "young men" (anywhere from 16-20 yrs old) were threatening a prophet of God (and by extension threatening God himself) and God protected his prophet and destroyed the gang.


you are phrasing the question like a bully would

chill out tubbs

dont set any bears on me

i think in the contect of the bible the first passage is the most likely

for yours is a vengeful god

flooded the world killed everyone little babies etc

how can they be wicked?

your religion is evil and your god lacks compassion for anyone who doesnt kiss his ass

you hear me  :-*
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1155 on: April 18, 2016, 02:22:53 PM »
you are phrasing the question like a bully would

chill out tubbs

dont set any bears on me

i think in the contect of the bible the first passage is the most likely

for yours is a vengeful god

flooded the world killed everyone little babies etc

how can they be wicked?

your religion is evil and your god lacks compassion for anyone who doesnt kiss his ass

you hear me  :-*

Ok, you refuse to answer the question, but yet you require of me to consistently give you simple answers or "yes/no" answers.

That's fine.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1156 on: April 18, 2016, 02:27:09 PM »
I think that most of the forum can now see that MOS stands alone in the belief that he's guarding a heavily fortified position. For those whose minds have not been corrupted by the virus of religious fundamentalism, it should be clear that MOS' arguments are as transparent, contradictory and absurd as the scripture that it is intended to defend - and defend for no reason other than his own self-preservation. Fear and fear alone has lead him to the now incorrigible belief that he his protected by his own personal mascot who receives the sycophantic praise bestowed upon him through MOS concentrating REALLY hard, and grants him immortality as a result. Cue the trite rejoinders of "meh" "i've addressed this before" and "I don't care about the opinions of God haters", but the fact remains that MOS doesn't give a damn about the rights of sentient beings to live free from the threat of death and eternal torture - as evidenced through his posts in this thread. He's not only comfortable with it, but actively condones the actions of a God that holds us all to ransom in this manner - providing he is spared from such a fate. MOS is steeped in sin!

If I have to stand alone that's fine. 

Some of y'all try and try and haven't defeated God's word yet.   I just communicate it's truth and give reason for the hope within me.

If his word convicts then it convicts....praise God for that.

I've repented of my sins and no longer walk in willful sin.  I don't care about the atheist's analysis of me LOL.....y'all know absolutely nothing of God.

Glory to God!

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1157 on: April 18, 2016, 02:38:09 PM »
I understand that confidence in Christ is both offensive and intimidating for many.  That's the path of a Christian....to be made perfect in Christ, spread the gospel and give reasons for the hope within us.

I mean of course the atheist is going to disagree and challenge every inch of this....y'all are your own little gods.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1158 on: April 18, 2016, 02:45:08 PM »
Lol, you keep telling yourself that. If there is such a thing as a just and loving God then you will never know him. Good luck.

Gods word has pretty much been destroyed in this very thread. Many of its inconsistencies, ramblings, and fallacies have been exposed here. Its quite clear that there is no God, and if there is, he is a jealous, vindictive, cry baby.
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1159 on: April 18, 2016, 02:51:37 PM »
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1160 on: April 18, 2016, 02:52:51 PM »
Here come the "MOS is crackin up!!  He's melting down!"

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1161 on: April 18, 2016, 02:59:57 PM »
Exactly. MOS has failed miserably to defend the contradictory, repugnant and clearly man-made passages in his "Holy" book; the best he's been able to come up with is that "God works in mysterious ways" and that certain individuals were held to a higher standard - then that standard was subsequently lowered lol.

x2.

Oh well. Another thread where there was no confirming evidence for God's existence. I shall await a new religious thread in a week and it will begin anew. Nothing new on getbig.  :) :)
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1162 on: April 18, 2016, 03:00:49 PM »
Exactly. MOS has failed miserably to defend the contradictory, repugnant and clearly man-made passages in his "Holy" book; the best he's been able to come up with is that "God works in mysterious ways" and that certain individuals were held to a higher standard - then that standard was subsequently lowered lol.

 ;D  I legit LOL'd at your post and the pic (I saved the pic)!!!

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1163 on: April 18, 2016, 03:01:58 PM »
I love when you atheists high five each other!

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1164 on: April 18, 2016, 03:09:39 PM »
as a starting point none of it makes sense to me

of course objectively its easier to digest if the second version where you are now of course saying they could be twenty they seem to get older everytime you post it

and threatening is a real stretch even by your standards

and have you forgotten the bears

my take is that passage was written by an angry bald guy that got teased by kids a lot

you know they tell kids fairy tales to scare them in to good behaviour

it could be argued that the bible is a fairy tale designed to get people to behave a certain way

of course when i post other examples of ridiculous nonsense like the pillar of salt you call them red herrings

can you explain why that is?

my points is the bible is full of ridiculous superstitious nonsense

which dilutes the many good parts for instance i like the good samaritin story

the mas killings and petulant revenge parts not so much




I seem to remember from the Historian Joseph us from the Antiquities of the Jews him mentioning that the pillar or salt was still standing as a reminder during the time he wrote that historical account. I need to do a little more research for a quote.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1165 on: April 18, 2016, 03:27:25 PM »
I seem to remember from the Historian Joseph us from the Antiquities of the Jews him mentioning that the pillar or salt was still standing as a reminder during the time he wrote that historical account. I need to do a little more research for a quote.

I don't know about that so I'd be very interested if you can find that....thanks!!

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1166 on: April 18, 2016, 03:36:35 PM »
It's in Book One Chapter 11 of the Antiquities of the Jews -- 4. But God was much displeased at their impudent behavior, so that he both smote those men with blindness, and condemned the Sodomites to universal destruction. But Lot, upon God's informing him of the future destruction of the Sodomites, went away, taking with him his wife and daughters, who were two, and still virgins; for those that were betrothed to them were above the thoughts of going, and deemed that Lot's words were trifling. God then cast a thunderbolt upon the city, and set it on fire, with its inhabitants; and laid waste the country with the like burning, as I formerly said when I wrote the Jewish War. But Lot's wife continually turning back to view the city as she went from it, and being too nicely inquisitive what would become of it, although God had forbidden her so to do, was changed into a pillar of salt;for I have seen it, and it remains at this day. Now he and his daughters fled to a certain small place, encompassed with the fire, and settled in it: it is to this day called Zoar, for that is the word which the Hebrews use for a small thing. There it was that he lived a miserable life, on account of his having no company, and his want of provisions.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1167 on: April 18, 2016, 06:04:28 PM »
I think that most of the forum can now see that MOS stands alone in the belief that he's guarding a heavily fortified position. For those whose minds have not been corrupted by the virus of religious fundamentalism, it should be clear that MOS' arguments are as transparent, contradictory and absurd as the scripture that it is intended to defend - and defend for no reason other than his own self-preservation.
Not really. Just looks like the same 4 or so "good ole boys" yucking it up without much to back up what they say except "haha, sky god, you got him good with that zinger, etc." And the usual glossing over of his replies. Not really any substance to most of your posts. Sorry, but that's the reality. Luckily, it's pretty obvious so those who actually want to read/learn can skip over most of those.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1168 on: April 18, 2016, 06:55:50 PM »
My 10 and 12 year old kids just lectured their religious nutbag of an aunt on what bullshit creationism is and how there probably isn't too much difference between God and Santa Claus.  10 and 12.  Grow the fuck up people.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1169 on: April 19, 2016, 12:37:46 AM »
Ok, you refuse to answer the question, but yet you require of me to consistently give you simple answers or "yes/no" answers.

That's fine.

i did answer the question very clearly

you are being petulant

your position is indefensible

your god is turning people into salt, wiping out the entire world and setting bears on children

cant defend that skipper you cant defend that at all
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1170 on: April 19, 2016, 01:34:35 AM »
I love when you atheists high five each other!

It happens. Why? Atheism is based on the facts, on the science and on the evidence what has been found and proved to be facts. Religion is based on faith, and that has nothing to do with intelligence.

Just try to explain this: There were this bloke in this thread telling he had a near death experience five years earlier, and he is endlessly thankful for God who saved him. So nice..

What we know about God? He is ruler of everything, nothing happens against his will, and everything happens by his will. So facts of the matter is that in the first place God make him nearly dead, it was his will and doings, and then this same God save him by letting him live, and this make him endlessly thankful.

So why in the first place he has to nearly kill him? He has all the power, why didn't him make this bloke learn the love of God some other way, like showing him the true kindness of the people? Why there has to be nearly death experience before people can believe God? God take a hold of your throat and squeeze until you obey his will, and you are thankful? And if he kill your child, you say, it was a gods will, but if he only crush your child so he would be handicapped to the end of his life, you thank God for saving his life? So your God is like gangster who make you obey with violence, and beat the crap out of you when ever he feels the need, and would kill all your kind if he happen to find that funny thing to do to you?

So religiousness is more like a mental illness which prevents people to learn the facts of this world by filling their head with the bullshit, and this is obvious fact, if you look religious fanatics, like islamists.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1171 on: April 19, 2016, 04:25:06 AM »
It happens. Why? Atheism is based on the facts, on the science and on the evidence what has been found and proved to be facts. Religion is based on faith, and that has nothing to do with intelligence.

Just try to explain this: There were this bloke in this thread telling he had a near death experience five years earlier, and he is endlessly thankful for God who saved him. So nice..

What we know about God? He is ruler of everything, nothing happens against his will, and everything happens by his will. So facts of the matter is that in the first place God make him nearly dead, it was his will and doings, and then this same God save him by letting him live, and this make him endlessly thankful.

So why in the first place he has to nearly kill him? He has all the power, why didn't him make this bloke learn the love of God some other way, like showing him the true kindness of the people? Why there has to be nearly death experience before people can believe God? God take a hold of your throat and squeeze until you obey his will, and you are thankful? And if he kill your child, you say, i.t was a gods will, but if he only crush your child so he would be handicapped to the end of his life, you thank God for saving his life? So your God is like gangster who make you obey with violence, and beat the crap out of you when ever he feels the need, and would kill all your kind if he happen to find that funny thing to do to you?

So religiousness is more like a mental illness which prevents people to learn the facts of this world by filling their head with the bullshit, and this is obvious fact, if you look religious fanatics, like islamists.

So you asked 3 paragraphs worth of critical questions about this testimony coupled with flourishes of insults, but didn't bother to understand "the bloke" is me?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1172 on: April 19, 2016, 04:38:11 AM »
i did answer the question very clearly

you are being petulant

your position is indefensible

your god is turning people into salt, wiping out the entire world and setting bears on children

cant defend that skipper you cant defend that at all

Uh huh.

I gave you one question with two options.   The option you've been defending and my option that gave a different perspective.

You dodged the question by inventing a third option,, abandoned your previous position and tacked on a couple red herrings hoping to divert me off topic and then called me childish.

Virtually every single atheist tells me something like "you provided no defense" after I've done exactly that.  I know the routine.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1173 on: April 19, 2016, 04:47:54 AM »
My 10 and 12 year old kids just lectured my religious nutbag of an aunt on what bullshit creationism is and how there probably isn't too much difference between God and Santa Claus.  10 and 12.  Grow the fuck up people.

Most believers aren't prepared to answer questions of nonbelievers....even kids cause deer in headlights responses.  It's one of the reasons I do what I do.

Difference today is everyone has the potential to be an instant expert with google.  Unfortunately there's a ton of bad information out there.

I don't always have great answers.  I sometimes have no answer.  Still I try to take the time to be honest.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #1174 on: April 19, 2016, 05:49:07 AM »
So you asked 3 paragraphs worth of critical questions about this testimony coupled with flourishes of insults, but didn't bother to understand "the bloke" is me?

What difference it make, while in your tiny little mind truth is an insult anyway? It makes no difference how you fold it, I told the truth, and from your point of view it is just crap. How about this: I write a word of God, because it is a God's will that I wrote what I wrote. This has to be a fact, because some heavenly force is guiding my hands on the keyboard. Just prove otherwise..  ;D