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Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« on: March 13, 2016, 11:40:33 PM »
Jeb thinks so now.   The list of people who believe this is growing. 



Republican leaders are currently thrashing about - holding secret meetings, issuing confidential memos and making public denunciations - as they approach a state of near panic over what Donald Trump is doing to their party. It's enough to make some believe that Mr Trump may not have the Republican establishment's best interests at heart.

Could Donald Trump be a secret double-agent, sent by Democrats to destroy their party from within?
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who has borne the brunt of more than a few Trump barbs, seems to think there's a possibility.

"Maybe Donald negotiated a deal with his buddy Hillary Clinton," Mr Bush tweeted this week, after Mr Trump cited a poll showing his supporters would stick with him if he left the Republican Party. "Continuing this path will put her in the White House."
The New York billionaire has a spotty political history, at best. He was a Republican, then he was a pro-choice Democrat, and now he's a fire-breathing, anti-immigration populist conservative.

Could this latest iteration of Mr Trump's political brand be just a ruse, the elaborate cover for a liberal saboteur who has spent the past year setting explosives that threaten the unity of the party he pledged to support?

He's belittling his Republican colleagues. He's pulling the party to the nativist right in direct conflict with the goal set by strategists in 2013 to appeal to a more ethnically diverse nation. And he's generally sucking up all the political oxygen, making it harder for other candidates to get their message out. All in all, many experts say he's making it much more difficult for a Republican to win the general election next fall. Maybe he's doing it on purpose.

It's a theory that has been bubbling long before Mr Bush's recent Twitter accusation.
"If Donald Trump were a Democratic mole placed in the Republican Party to disrupt things, how would his behaviour be any different?" asked conservative political commentator George Will in July. "I don't think it would be."

"Mr Trump has a close friendship with Bill and Hillary Clinton," he said. "They were at his last wedding. He has contributed to the Clintons' foundation. He has contributed to Mrs Clinton's Senate campaigns. All of this is very suspicious."
Of course Mr Trump has also contributed to plenty of Republicans. He likes to boast that he has "bought" politicians of all stripes. And Mr Trump's wedding was a coveted invitation for all of New York City's elite, of which the Clintons were definitely part.
But there's more.

Also suspicious - for those predisposed to suspicion, at least - is a "mystery" phone call between Mr Trump and Bill Clinton in May, less than a month before the real-estate tycoon tossed his hat into the presidential ring.

The details of that call are shrouded in secrecy, but that hasn't stopped conservatives from speculating that the seeds of a Machiavellian plan were sown.

Just over a week later Republican Congressman Carlos Curbelo of Florida called Mr Trump "a phantom candidate recruited by the left to create this entire political circus." And he laid out what is the foundation of the Trump conspiracy theories.

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2016, 11:47:08 PM »
Interesting... Trump ALWAYS says something super-crazy right when Hilary is about to face a negative news cycle involving her own scandals.  IF this is the case - and trump does this each time to minimize the PR damage to Hilary - then this is freakin' BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Destory jeb/walker, punk everyone else, win the nomination AND keep hilary out of the news with his outrageous statements.  And sadly, this is something I said all along - he gets WAY MORE headlines than hilary, and he will keep her scandals on page 2 of the newspapers/news shows.

Let's keep watching - EVERY TIME Hilary is hit with a terrible news story - see if trump doesn't appear on a mic, five minutes later, to talk about something crazy and suck all of the oxygen out of the news cycle ;)



Noah Rothman of Commentary magazine spies a pattern in Mr Trump's diatribes, whose timing, he argues, "tends to often coincide with scandalous revelations that reflect poorly on Democratic politicians".

Mr Trump, for instance, made his comments about closing US borders to all Muslims just a day after President Barack Obama's poorly received White House address on the so-called Islamic State.

Stories about Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton's email server and actions following the Benghazi consulate attack in 2012 have likewise been swamped by Trump-mania.
"None of this establishes either correlation or causation, but it is remarkably coincidental how often Donald Trump has rescued Democrats from the jaws of a terrible news cycle and the withering scrutiny of the press," he concludes.





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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2016, 02:18:17 AM »
He may be, and if so Slick Willy Clinton truly lives in political air that others can't breathe.

As I've said, if the GOP is that weak to not fend him off then they deserve it. Everything they've tried looks just poorly done.

I expect Rubio to get up there and scream and cry "it's not fair!" soon.

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2016, 05:54:22 AM »
I suggested this long ago and you suggested it even before that.

When you look at it, if the goal was to completely dismantle the GOP and hand the election to Hillary, then he pretty much accomplished that. 


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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2016, 08:27:07 AM »
Jeb taking this position gives it big credibility. 

Bbc and some repubs in congress say it now. 

The biggest defense is "no, he wouldn't do that".   It's starting to wear thin.  Like Will said, if he was a troll for the dems, would he be doing a single thing differently? ;)

MSnbc talked today about the pattern of media stories- trump starting feuds and dropping tweets to pull attention from stories.  Some Internet troll with TiVo will uncover a massive pattern now that it's been 9 months. 

Will be tough to deny it then, if massively media shrewd trump has rescued Hilary from bad press exactly every single time lol

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2016, 08:48:54 AM »
He certainly forced the other candidates to establish their views on certain issues, that is for sure.  No more of this wiffle waffle sitting on the fence shit they hide behind in order to pander for votes.

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2016, 11:49:48 AM »
Jeb taking this position gives it big credibility. 

Bbc and some repubs in congress say it now. 

The biggest defense is "no, he wouldn't do that".   It's starting to wear thin.  Like Will said, if he was a troll for the dems, would he be doing a single thing differently? ;)

MSnbc talked today about the pattern of media stories- trump starting feuds and dropping tweets to pull attention from stories.  Some Internet troll with TiVo will uncover a massive pattern now that it's been 9 months. 

Will be tough to deny it then, if massively media shrewd trump has rescued Hilary from bad press exactly every single time lol

no it doesn't

Jeb got his ass handed to him and got publicly humiliated.

He and the rest of the GOP are looking for excuses....anything to explain why they got their asses kicked

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2016, 12:49:58 PM »
This is stupid.

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2016, 03:11:20 PM »
This is stupid.

LOL - Bum and I agree on something. I think this happens about once every 5 years


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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2016, 03:51:02 PM »
This is stupid.

Keep saying that.  I was right about Trump sucking all of the oxygen out of the race, and I was right about the anger/stupidity of the base letting trump CRUSH everyone in the primaries.   Time showed I was correct both times.

And I'll be right about Trump being a dem plant, too.   Just give it time.  Some will admit it before others, but the end result will be several things

1) trump hijinks overshadow hilary crime news
2) top repubs are neutered and punked
3) no viable hilary opponent arrives
4) bernie is known as a commie and bashed despite being a distant 2nd (helping hilary again)
5) hilary wins the white house.

all of these will happen, brother.

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2016, 04:11:30 PM »
Keep saying that.  I was right about Trump sucking all of the oxygen out of the race, and I was right about the anger/stupidity of the base letting trump CRUSH everyone in the primaries.   Time showed I was correct both times.

And I'll be right about Trump being a dem plant, too.   Just give it time.  Some will admit it before others, but the end result will be several things

1) trump hijinks overshadow hilary crime news
2) top repubs are neutered and punked
3) no viable hilary opponent arrives
4) bernie is known as a commie and bashed despite being a distant 2nd (helping hilary again)
5) hilary wins the white house.

all of these will happen, brother.

you're seriously delusional

just tell me what's in it for Trump  and how they planted him

Hillary (along with everyone else) is denouncing Trump so what's he going to get out of a Hilary win

Also, why does a malignant narcissist do something for anyone other than himself

Finally, no one was predicting that Trump was going to be a viable candidate much less destroying the other Repubs when he started so you're suggesting that Bill and Hilary somehow knew this (why else plant him if he's just going to be another loser candidate in a crowd of losers) and of course at some point they will rein him in so Hilary can then coast to victory and then of course (according to your premise) someone will admit the she did this (ha ha - jokes on you fellow citizens - I just tricked you into giving  me the white house by using Donald Trump with all his vile rhetoric, inciting violence, etc...).  Yeah, that will go over really well with everyone in the country (Dems and Repubs alike)

Unless you're just trolling I'm losing respect for your opinion with this one

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2016, 04:14:39 PM »
just tell me what's in it for Trump  and how they planted him

his friends for almost 30 years, hilary/bill, win the most powerful job on earth?

how they planted him

Bill clinton admitted calling him right before he decided, and "encouraged" him to get "more involved"



Dude, I love that your argument has disintegrated to "but but but how did they set it up" and "what could one possibly gain from being best buddies with POTUS"  - - - if you're reaching that far into the excuse bucket, I think we can all agree there's some merit to this theory.

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2016, 04:18:14 PM »
his friends for almost 30 years, hilary/bill, win the most powerful job on earth?

doesn't mean shit

Bill clinton admitted calling him right before he decided, and "encouraged" him to get "more involved"
don't know that what you've written is true and also doesn't mean shit  (yeah - join the other 16 friggin candidates)

Dude, I love that your argument has disintegrated to "but but but how did they set it up" and "what could one possibly gain from being best buddies with POTUS"  - - - if you're reaching that far into the excuse bucket, I think we can all agree there's some merit to this theory.

I've asked you since Day 1 how they "planted" him and what's in it for him (again try to remember that Trump is now poison)

You've never given any response

How about addressing the other questions in my last post

how do they rein him in and how will it look when the country finds out that Hilary and Donald played EVERYONE

how is that good for either of them

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3187192/Bill-Clinton-denies-encouraging-Donald-Trump-run-White-House-against-Hillary-says-property-tycoon-phoned-time-time-finally-spoke-Bill.html

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2016, 04:33:42 PM »
don't know that what you've written is true and also doesn't mean shit  (yeah - join the other 16 friggin candidates)

this makes me think you haven't paid attention to this argument all along. 

this is one of the BIGGEST points about trump being a plant - what in the WORLD is the spouse of the leading dem doing, calling up a potential competitor and ENCOURAGING him to run AGAINST his wife?

Smells fishy - and it's very odd you didn't know about this one.

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2016, 04:37:32 PM »
Straw, you actually commented IN THE THREAD back in August of last year when I revealed to getbig that Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=577583.msg8161160#msg8161160

It's very real, and very troubling.  imagine if Cruz' wife called up Bernie and encouraged him to run - people would be crying foul BIG TIME. 

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2016, 04:56:10 PM »
this makes me think you haven't paid attention to this argument all along. 

this is one of the BIGGEST points about trump being a plant - what in the WORLD is the spouse of the leading dem doing, calling up a potential competitor and ENCOURAGING him to run AGAINST his wife?

Smells fishy - and it's very odd you didn't know about this one.

I commented on that thread and this post of yours in particular

Clinton, Trump chat fuels conspiracy theories


Source: MSNBC

Just a few weeks ago, Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.), raised a bizarre conspiracy theory. As the Miami congressman told a local radio show, maybe Donald Trump’s entire presidential campaign is an elaborate scheme – cooked up by Democrats – to make Republicans look ridiculous and undermine the GOP.

Curbelo’s theory seemed a little over the top, but he’s not the only one who’s floated the idea. After this Washington Post report was published late yesterday, the conspiracy theorists felt a degree of vindication.

Former president Bill Clinton had a private telephone conversation in late spring with Donald Trump at the same time that the billionaire investor and reality-television star was nearing a decision to run for the White House, according to associates of both men. Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.
The article added that the former president, according to the sources close to Trump, “listened intently” to the Republican’s ideas, and then “analyzed Trump’s prospects and his desire to rouse the GOP base.”

NBC News confirmed soon after that the conversation took place in late May, before Trump formally announced his candidacy. There are apparently some disagreements over the specific details – Clinton’s office, for example, said the former president and Trump had a casual conversation that did not relate to the 2016 race – but for those who see Trump as a Democratic plant, the particulars are less important than the call itself.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/clinton-trump-chat-fuels-conspiracy-theories

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2016, 04:59:16 PM »
Hey 240

how about addressing my questions

1.  How did they "plant" him
2.  Does a malignant narcissist do anything for anyone other than himself
3.  If "planted" what was their strategy...did they know he would destroy all other candidates and be the front runner
4.  How do they rein him in
5.  What does Trump get out of it given that the Hilary (along with all other Dems and maybe Republicans) have denounced him.
6.  How will it look to the country when it's "revealed" that Trump and Hilary teamed up to trick the country into handing her the POTUS


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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2016, 05:18:50 PM »
Straw Man, what do you mean with this part?

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6. How will it look to the country when it's "revealed" that Trump and Hilary teamed up to trick the country into handing her the POTUS

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2016, 05:34:45 PM »
Do I think that Hill and Bill "planted" Trump - as in sat down and conducted a plan to get him in the race?

No, I don't.

Do I think that Trump entered the race primarily to hurt the other GOP candidates, thus enabling Hillz to win the WH after he (Trump) crashed and ran as a third party candidate?  Yes, I do.

However, I don't think even Trump himself could have guessed he would have this much support and popularity at this point.  I think he honestly thought he would come in, sling some mud and force the candidates to cement themselves to issues and stances that they couldn't fence-sit on and in the end, help Hillary by running as a third party candidate.  I think Trump's plan all along was the destroy the GOP from within.

Not that Hillz really needed any help winning anything against this group of losers.

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2016, 05:35:24 PM »
Straw Man, what do you mean with this part?


I was replying to 240's premise

The whole idea is beyond idiotic for all the reasons I've stated.

Trump isn't working for and doesn't care about anyone exept Trump.
 
240 believes the Clintons planted Trump (though refuses to address my numerous questions about it) but assuming it were true and it does come out then it DESTROYS both Clinton and Trump.  They are both now poison in the eyes of their supporters/voters.

The both just punked the entire country and their own supporters.  

Keep saying that.  I was right about Trump sucking all of the oxygen out of the race, and I was right about the anger/stupidity of the base letting trump CRUSH everyone in the primaries.   Time showed I was correct both times.

And I'll be right about Trump being a dem plant, too.   Just give it time.  Some will admit it before others, but the end result will be several things

1) trump hijinks overshadow hilary crime news
2) top repubs are neutered and punked
3) no viable hilary opponent arrives
4) bernie is known as a commie and bashed despite being a distant 2nd (helping hilary again)
5) hilary wins the white house.

all of these will happen, brother.

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2016, 05:45:15 PM »
I was replying to 240's premise

The whole idea is beyond idiotic for all the reasons I've stated.

Trump isn't working for and doesn't care about anyone exept Trump.
 
240 believes the Clintons planted Trump (though refuses to address my numerous questions about it) but assuming it were true and it does come out then it DESTROYS both Clinton and Trump.  They are both now poison in the eyes of their supporters/voters.

The both just punked the entire country and their own supporters.  


But even in the craziest of scenarios, I couldn't see anything becoming properly revealed.

Do you think the effect has so-far been the same as it would be, otherwise, if indeed Trump had some conscious intent to help Hilary?

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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2016, 05:46:09 PM »
Do I think that Hill and Bill "planted" Trump - as in sat down and conducted a plan to get him in the race?

No, I don't.

Do I think that Trump entered the race primarily to hurt the other GOP candidates, thus enabling Hillz to win the WH after he (Trump) crashed and ran as a third party candidate?  Yes, I do.

However, I don't think even Trump himself could have guessed he would have this much support and popularity at this point.  I think he honestly thought he would come in, sling some mud and force the candidates to cement themselves to issues and stances that they couldn't fence-sit on and in the end, help Hillary by running as a third party candidate.  I think Trump's plan all along was the destroy the GOP from within.

Not that Hillz really needed any help winning anything against this group of losers.


What makes you believe that and what would Trump have gotten out of that?

What does Trump get out of destroying the GOP (remember this guy was a rabid birther who endorsed Romney in 2012 and now you think hre really just wants to help Hilary for some reason)

If Trump hadn't done so well (which no one predicted) then what would have been the point of him running (or planting himself as it seems you're suggesting).  Just to be another loser who doesn't do shit?  How is that supposed to help Hilary

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Re: Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent? BBC NEWS
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2016, 05:47:48 PM »
But even in the craziest of scenarios, I couldn't see anything becoming properly revealed.

Do you think the effect has so-far been the same as it would be, otherwise, if indeed Trump had some concious intent to help Hilary?

I dont think Trump wants to do anything to help either Hilary or the Democratic party at all.....period


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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2016, 05:50:52 PM »
I dont think Trump wants to do anything to help either Hilary or the Democratic party at all.....period



Do you think he regrets how it appears he's done exactly that?

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2016, 06:01:17 PM »
Do you think he regrets how it appears he's done exactly that?

I doubt he believes it appears that way

I'm sure he believes he's going to be the nominee and that he's going to beat Hilary