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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2016, 04:41:42 PM »
You have the hard lefties pulling articles from "Salon" "Motherjones" and the worst one of "Media Matters". Brainwashed in school and kept right on with it.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2016, 04:45:29 PM »
You have the hard lefties pulling articles from "Salon" "Motherjones" and the worst one of "Media Matters". Brainwashed in school and kept right on with it.

feel free to refute anything posted or you can just post a link to the free health insurance program that's only available to illegal aliens

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2016, 08:07:40 PM »
No, thats not his job. His job doesn't start until AFTER he's elected. It really isn't that difficult to figure out.

The job of a politician isn't to get elected, huh?   LOL!

Sorry, but a big % of a politician's job is running for office, raising money to get elected, and selling this image to the voters so that he/she can win the job.

IMO, the fact you really believe part of any politician's job isn't to get elected and re-elected says a lot about your understanding of politics.  Everything these folks do is to get elected and stay in power.  The things they do "while in office" are far less important to them. 

If the GOP believes what you believe - well, it explains why they've managed two shoestring wins in the last six POTUS elections ;)

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2016, 08:15:18 PM »
feel free to refute anything posted or you can just post a link to the free health insurance program that's only available to illegal aliens

http://www.wsj.com/articles/illegal-immigrants-get-public-health-care-despite-federal-policy-1458850082

http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-california-senate-approves-health-coverage-for-some-immigrants-here-illegally-20150602-story.html

There are a lot more but since you have more time than I do research it yourself.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2016, 08:18:07 PM »
The left also has a stranglehold on the education system, the press, and Hollywood so their message and ideology gets beaten into people's heads from the time they are 3 years old.

If the left control these things, it's because they're smarter than the right.

Repubs have the $ to start their own private schools, TV news stations, and make their own movies... to teach america conservative values.   They have chosen not to do it. 

OR the reason these things are liberal (which they are) is that 50.1% of the nation is liberal, and liberals have decision making power.

Look at presidential elections of the past 6 cycles... 4 dem blowouts, and 2 repub squeaker wins by 1 sued state.  This nation IS liberal when everyone shows up to vote.  It is what it is.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2016, 08:23:46 PM »
If the left control these things, it's because they're smarter than the right.

Repubs have the $ to start their own private schools, TV news stations, and make their own movies... to teach america conservative values.   They have chosen not to do it. 

OR the reason these things are liberal (which they are) is that 50.1% of the nation is liberal, and liberals have decision making power.

Look at presidential elections of the past 6 cycles... 4 dem blowouts, and 2 repub squeaker wins by 1 sued state.  This nation IS liberal when everyone shows up to vote.  It is what it is.

I disagree with almost all of this.  It's too complex to explain why right now.  I'll attempt when I have time.

Also, there are more elections than Presidential elections.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2016, 10:15:45 PM »
In this age of executive orders, I'm not al that sure the senate and house wield power to stop any president anymore.  Obama had zero cooperation for 6 years, he still gave us a lot of liberal laws. 


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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2016, 10:14:48 AM »
Bump

cant read the stuff past the pay wall, but the Ben Stein quote said getting free health insurance, while the WSJ article says getting health care.  People who show up at the emergency room have always gotten health care, whether they have insurance or not, whether they have a valid visa or not.  This is a very inefficient and expensive way to deliver health care.  ACA has helped greatly in getting people to not use ERs as primary care providers.  But yes the law was written to exclude undocumented immigrants.

the LA Times article talks about a proposed bill to allow undocumented immigrants to buy into ACA. You can debate whether this is a good thing or not.  Has this bill been signed by Jerry Brown? If not, then we've still seen nothing supporting Ben Stein's claim that undocumented immigrants are getting free health insurance.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2016, 10:42:13 AM »
http://www.wsj.com/articles/illegal-immigrants-get-public-health-care-despite-federal-policy-1458850082

http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-california-senate-approves-health-coverage-for-some-immigrants-here-illegally-20150602-story.html

There are a lot more but since you have more time than I do research it yourself.

your first link is just headline and I can't read the entire article since  I don't have a membership to WSJ online.  I assume you've read the entire article and not just the headline so please fill in the details for us.

The 2nd link is about SB 4 in CA which allows ~ 170k children of immigrants to have access to some basic healthcare but it's not something created for illegal immigrants (and it doesn't appear to be completely free in all cases).  The only requirement is income and NOT immigration status.  In other words it's available to children of  low income citizens as well so not at all what Stein was alluding to in that quote (assuming that quote is even real) which says that access  is due to inability to prove legal status. He makes no mention of income requirement or the fact that this program is also (and originally) available to poor citizens and their children.   So this can't be what Stein was referring to.

It appears the original version of the bill was going to allow a limited number of illegal immigrant to PURCHASE insurance on the CA exchanges (since Obama care restricts this) but that was taken out and the bill that was signed only offers access to Medi-Cal to children below the age of 18, again available for  all and based solely on income level of the parent and not immigration status.

The arguments for including these children are both financial and humanitarian.  First the financial argument is that it costs the state more for these kids to show up in an emergency room than to give them access to some basic healthcare/preventative medicine

The humanitarian argument is that the children are not responsible for the "sins" of the parent and as a humane (and you might even argue Christian) society we provide some level of care for the poor (on in this case children of the poor)  Of course there is a pro-life aspect to it as well as an aspect of helping the poor.  

I don't subscribe to a religion that suggests I should help the poor and of course I'm all for abortion so I'm fine if these kids die from lack of access to  healthcare.   I just consider it to be a very late term abortion  I assume you're all for this type of abortion as well  

It's hard for me to argue against the financial aspect though.  I'd always rather pay less than more.  I assume even you agree with that

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2016, 10:52:55 AM »
BTW - when  you google the text of that quote the only thing that pops up is a portion of it and,  when asked, Ben Stein said it was not something he either said or wrote.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/benstein.asp

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2016, 11:52:56 AM »
Coach, can you find something concrete?

So far, both of what you posted don't look like much

and it looks like the original quote is bogus

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2016, 12:33:05 PM »
Never seen such a bunch of ass backwards people of that on the left. It's one of the worlds anomalies...lol.
Problem with all your pronouncements is that you are such a poor example of any alternative. Kinda undercuts any point you make.

/and ben stein is a heinous person

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2016, 02:05:28 PM »
Coach, can you find something concrete?

LOL... Joe couldn't find something concrete if he were at the base of the Hoover Dam looking up.

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2016, 09:22:58 AM »
I like it.

Isn't it an imaginary quote?

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Re: Ben Stein quote of the week
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2016, 11:15:32 AM »
Never seen such a bunch of ass backwards people of that on the left. It's one of the worlds anomalies...lol.

Do you consider people to be ass-backwards because they disagree with completely faked, completely made-up quotes?