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« Reply #75 on: June 10, 2016, 10:51:50 AM »

again speculation

we buy a lot of goods from europe

its not in their interest to fuck us off

you are guessing

everyone is guessing

the real decision is

is it better the devil we know

or go for the unknown

Germany and France have said they will not make any compromises if Britain leaves Europe. They know they will have to make an example, the UK will be punished.

Freedom of movement in Europe will also be scrapped. That was in the headlines today.

In regards to currency devaluation, most economists and finance professionals seem to agree on this.
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« Reply #76 on: June 10, 2016, 12:00:12 PM »

a cheaper currency = more export competitiveness and more upwards pressure on ordinary peoples wages

lower house prices = less cost to buy/ rent over time, less mortgage debt and conversely if house prices come to closer to the cost of building (less land price bubble), less risky for builders to develop
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« Reply #77 on: June 10, 2016, 12:01:03 PM »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-poll-brexit-leave-campaign-10-point-lead-remain-boris-johnson-nigel-farage-david-a7075131.html
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« Reply #78 on: June 10, 2016, 01:16:15 PM »

im still for staying in,,, altho i wouldnt be too upset if the vote went the other way, i think alot of people will talk the talk then back down when they have to put that X on the paper
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« Reply #79 on: June 10, 2016, 02:53:49 PM »

im still for staying in,,, altho i wouldnt be too upset if the vote went the other way, i think alot of people will talk the talk then back down when they have to put that X on the paper

the fact that Corbyn has been lifetime anti-EU doesnt sway you then?
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« Reply #80 on: June 10, 2016, 03:44:16 PM »


You don't mind losing your freedom of movement to live, work, study and travel anywhere in Europe?

This is such a huge point, I'm not sure why anyone would want to give this up.
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« Reply #81 on: June 10, 2016, 09:18:24 PM »

Elites Panic as Brexit Takes 10% Lead



Despite European Union elites, including some Bilderberg attendees, negotiating a deal with Turkey to temporarily suspend Middle East immigrants pouring into the EU until after the June 23 Brexit vote, UK voters now favor leaving the EU by 10 percent.
The influx of migrants from the war-torn Middle East and North Africa has put a huge strain on Europe. To address the tsunami of destitute and potentially dangerous immigrants, the European Union cut a deal with Turkey to drastically slow the tide.

According to Stratfor Global Intelligence, the tentative deal struck between Turkey and the EU on March 18 gave Ankara an extra $3 billion in aid, accelerated its EU membership talks and eased visa restrictions for Turkish citizens after June.

Ankara in return, agreed to keep migrants from passing through their borders on the way to the Continent and to take back any migrants who made it to Europe after the deal’s implementation on March 20.

To discourage further illegal immigration from Syria, the parties agreed to “resettle” one legal Syrian refugee from Turkey for each Syrian non-refugee deported from Greece.

Since talks with Turkey began, the flow of Middle East migrants to Europe has shriveled from about 70,000 reaching the Greek shores in January to just about 1,000 in May.

The success in limiting illegal immigration from Turkey is even more compelling, given that spring usually marks a huge uptick in human smuggling as warmer weather reduces dangerous Aegean storms.

The Turkish authorities have cracked down on criminal gangs operating around ports and the nation’s Coast Guard has intercepted a large number of crowed boats heading for Greece. The risk of paying smuggling fees, and then being sent back has at least temporarily dissuaded immigrants from trying to make the crossing.

But British voters seem to have responded to the success of the deal with Turkey as cynical proof that the EU and their Bilderberg corporate and political allies could have curtailed illegal immigration in the past, but chose to encourage the mass movement as a ready source of cheap labor.

Notwithstanding the furious efforts of British Prime Minister David Cameron to paint a Brexit vote as a disaster, only 45 percent of British voters want to “remain” in the EU and just 25 percent of British voters believe that leaving will result in lower living standards.

In an effort to appear to be more transparent, the Bilderberg Steering Committee led by Henry Kissinger released the full roster of this year’s attendees that include politicians, bankers, academic intellectuals and chiefs of multi-national corporations.

Despite Richard Engel, chief Foreign Correspondent, NBC News, John Micklethwait, Editor-in-Chief, Bloomberg LP and Zanny Minton Beddoes, Editor-in-Chief of The Economist attending, no journalists are allowed to report on proceedings.
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« Reply #82 on: June 11, 2016, 12:31:21 AM »

the fact that Corbyn has been lifetime anti-EU doesnt sway you then?

Corbyn is a looser and has took away my vote at the next election....  Don't get me wrong the whole immigration thing alone is enough to make most people want to leave, I just don't want to risk jobs and loose working rights
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« Reply #83 on: June 11, 2016, 12:39:23 AM »

Scare tactics always come into play last minute with these types of decisions.

If I was a euro(thank God I'm not) I would vote down every last one of these "unification" proposals.
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« Reply #84 on: June 11, 2016, 09:19:59 AM »

Corbyn is a looser and has took away my vote at the next election....  Don't get me wrong the whole immigration thing alone is enough to make most people want to leave, I just don't want to risk jobs and loose working rights

There are two 'right wing' parties in the UK vs labour, lembicaldumbocunts, snp, greens, plaid cymru etc and you are worried about working directives... There are also more 'workers' with votes than business people. ..
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« Reply #85 on: June 11, 2016, 03:02:11 PM »

There are two 'right wing' parties in the UK vs labour, lembicaldumbocunts, snp, greens, plaid cymru etc and you are worried about working directives... There are also more 'workers' with votes than business people. ..


Doesn't matter, labour won't be in government for a long time, the tories will fuck us over soon as we leave
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« Reply #86 on: June 12, 2016, 05:07:21 AM »


Doesn't matter, labour won't be in government for a long time, the tories will fuck us over soon as we leave

the only reason either party has much power is the first past the post system.
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« Reply #87 on: June 12, 2016, 05:45:44 AM »

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« Reply #88 on: June 12, 2016, 10:16:29 AM »

a cheaper currency = more export competitiveness and more upwards pressure on ordinary peoples wages

lower house prices = less cost to buy/ rent over time, less mortgage debt and conversely if house prices come to closer to the cost of building (less land price bubble), less risky for builders to develop


No.

My home currency, lost 20 % value this year and has been losing value over the past few years.

The only result is that everything is more expensive and pay increases are nowhere near to catching up to what they should be.

The reason for this is that wage increases never match inflation, and is nowhere close, businesses are not going to give 20 or 30 % wages increases.

Furthermore, wage increases are always one step behind inflation, andthe next wage increase just increases inflation again.

The only ones who say currency devaluation is "not so bad" are those who have never experienced a massive devaluation first-hand.
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« Reply #89 on: June 12, 2016, 11:01:25 AM »

The funny part is even is even if the vote to leave wins, 3 out of the 4 outcomes from there mean we still have to allow free movement, so the immigration point probably wouldn't get addressed anyway

These are the four possible 'OUT' outcome. Not made up, by a leading EU and competition lawyer. He developed the guide as an at-a-glance reference for business people in response to the lack of objective and factual analysis available to the public.

He says - “Which ever way people decide to vote on 23 June, they need to be able to easily understand the implications of their decision. I have been struck by how overly complicated and negative the majority of the press coverage has been about this crucial vote and by creating a straight forward guide I hope that businesses will be able to chart the flow of the legal processes we would have to enter into.

“It is important to recognise in three of the four scenarios the UK would still be subject to EU law and free movement of people, but crucially would no longer have any input into the formation of new EU laws.

“It is also worth noting that the negotiations to leave the EU would take a minimum of two years from the point the Article 50 notice is served, but any new arrangement could take at least ten years to conclude. If we stay in the EU, there would be no legal changes to the current arrangement.

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« Reply #90 on: June 12, 2016, 11:22:27 AM »

Good one Army of One.


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« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2016, 11:38:08 AM »

No.

My home currency, lost 20 % value this year and has been losing value over the past few years.

The only result is that everything is more expensive and pay increases are nowhere near to catching up to what they should be.

The reason for this is that wage increases never match inflation, and is nowhere close, businesses are not going to give 20 or 30 % wages increases.

Furthermore, wage increases are always one step behind inflation, andthe next wage increase just increases inflation again.

The only ones who say currency devaluation is "not so bad" are those who have never experienced a massive devaluation first-hand.


There is a difference between a currency falling 10% and a country with chronic economic problems that has inflation and a weak currency. I presume you are from argentina or Brazil or somewhere like that.
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« Reply #92 on: June 14, 2016, 12:35:13 PM »

The vast majority of economists polled said the economy will be worse off in 5 years.
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« Reply #93 on: June 14, 2016, 02:26:30 PM »

The vast majority of economists polled said the economy will be worse off in 5 years.

that is a crystal clear indicator to vote brexit.

http://www.shareprophets.com/views/21405/tom-winnifrith-bearcast-the-warnings-of-soros-the-wonderful-mrs

im sure you are worried that under the points system you will be packed off back to taco land, but i think the point is capping future immigration. in the mean time i suggest you study some qualifications to be on the safe side.
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« Reply #94 on: June 14, 2016, 10:23:44 PM »

that is a crystal clear indicator to vote brexit.

http://www.shareprophets.com/views/21405/tom-winnifrith-bearcast-the-warnings-of-soros-the-wonderful-mrs

im sure you are worried that under the points system you will be packed off back to taco land, but i think the point is capping future immigration. in the mean time i suggest you study some qualifications to be on the safe side.
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« Reply #95 on: June 14, 2016, 10:48:07 PM »

that is a crystal clear indicator to vote brexit.

http://www.shareprophets.com/views/21405/tom-winnifrith-bearcast-the-warnings-of-soros-the-wonderful-mrs

im sure you are worried that under the points system you will be packed off back to taco land, but i think the point is capping future immigration. in the mean time i suggest you study some qualifications to be on the safe side.

Is that the best you've got? Now there's a bitchy, schoolgirl-ish rebuttal I didn't see coming, but then again I am not familiar with your posting style. In fact, I had hardly noticed you on the board before.

FYI I am white British. Not much else to say really.
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« Reply #96 on: June 15, 2016, 12:31:16 AM »

Is that the best you've got? Now there's a bitchy, schoolgirl-ish rebuttal I didn't see coming, but then again I am not familiar with your posting style. In fact, I had hardly noticed you on the board before.

FYI I am white British. Not much else to say really.


Look up" brutal lat pull downs", then youl know the man your addressing and maybe you will think twice before talking back... Wink
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« Reply #97 on: June 15, 2016, 12:56:36 AM »

Is that the best you've got? Now there's a bitchy, schoolgirl-ish rebuttal I didn't see coming, but then again I am not familiar with your posting style. In fact, I had hardly noticed you on the board before.

FYI I am white British. Not much else to say really.

i mixed you up with griffith. its the collectivists on this thread that elected blair/ brown up bankrupted this country, didnt build enough houses, opened the doors and no end of other bullshit, then torys/ lib dems took over and didnt little else than continue the prior policies.


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« Reply #98 on: June 15, 2016, 01:25:40 AM »

i mixed you up with griffith. its the collectivists on this thread that elected blair/ brown up bankrupted this country, didnt build enough houses, opened the doors and no end of other bullshit, then torys/ lib dems took over and didnt little else than continue the prior policies.




So it's Brown's fault for your dickhead argument. Right. Roll Eyes

Please ignore my posts and I will do the same.
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« Reply #99 on: June 15, 2016, 04:18:26 AM »

So it's Brown's fault for your dickhead argument. Right. Roll Eyes

Please ignore my posts and I will do the same.

a country living beyond its means... with spend thrift politicians of the three main parties at the helm. thing sreally started to breakdown in the late 90s a couple of years after chinese workers entered the global labour pool and undercut the scallies working in northern manufacturing concerns, rendering them unemployed and creating the 'northern welfare safaris' as tom winnifrith likes to describe them.

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