This vegan craze needs to stop

[FitnessFrenzy]

attention whoring people all over the world are becoming vegan in droves not because they want to, but to get attention. Please stop:

[goku]

fucking idiots these people.
i don't understand why they don't try vegetarianism if they're doing it for ethical reasons, can get ethically produced dairy products and virtually every fucking city has a local farmer's market where local family run farms sell dairy foods.
if doing it for health reasons, then they're even bigger idiots because there are no health benefits of a vegan diet to being a vegetarian or meat eater. It's a shiteside worse for your health!

Whenever somebody tells me they're vegan, I end any conversation we're having and abruptly walk off or if I'm having a bad day and said person was annoying even before the vegan acclamation, I'd backhand them on the face. Several times depending on how bad the day was.

[liberalismo]

No. Dairy is not any more ethical. Milk cows are treated like crap, their babies are taken from them and either sold for veal or beef later on. Dairy cows are grinded up for beef once they can't produce milk...

Eggs are also horrible because of the conditions chickens are in.

Unless you have backyard chickens, you have no way to know where the eggs come from.

[liberalismo]

fucking idiots these people.
i don't understand why they don't try vegetarianism if they're doing it for ethical reasons, can get ethically produced dairy products and virtually every fucking city has a local farmer's market where local family run farms sell dairy foods.
if doing it for health reasons, then they're even bigger idiots because there are no health benefits of a vegan diet to being a vegetarian or meat eater. It's a shiteside worse for your health!

Whenever somebody tells me they're vegan, I end any conversation we're having and abruptly walk off or if I'm having a bad day and said person was annoying even before the vegan acclamation, I'd backhand them on the face. Several times depending on how bad the day was.

Low fat vegan diet increases intake of protective nutrients and phytochemicals, and reduces

intake of dietary factors implicated in several chronic diseases: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18237581

 

A low fat vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate (although vitamin D may need to be supplemented): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16129088

 

Vegetarian diet may help treat mild hypertension:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3896594?dopt=Abstract

 

Eggs and meat have significant positive association with all-cause mortality in healthy population: http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/119/5/775.abstract?ijkey=1c189c09bf7c2e390521487ea3b976c8bba81cbb&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

Vegetarian diet reduces all-cause mortality risk: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/100/Supplement_1/320S.abstract

 
Plant-based diets can be extremely healthy: http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/6/3/250.abstract


Appropriately planned vegan diets can satisfy the nutritional needs of infants and children:
 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11424546, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11424545

A strict vegan diet can help children and adults achieve and maintain desirable blood lipid levels: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1849932

 

Long-term consumption of a low-calorie low-protein vegan diet in sedentary subjects is just as good (if not better) for health than consumption of a western diet in very active or sedentary subjects: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696

[liberalismo]

fucking idiots these people.
i don't understand why they don't try vegetarianism if they're doing it for ethical reasons, can get ethically produced dairy products and virtually every fucking city has a local farmer's market where local family run farms sell dairy foods.
if doing it for health reasons, then they're even bigger idiots because there are no health benefits of a vegan diet to being a vegetarian or meat eater. It's a shiteside worse for your health!

Whenever somebody tells me they're vegan, I end any conversation we're having and abruptly walk off or if I'm having a bad day and said person was annoying even before the vegan acclamation, I'd backhand them on the face. Several times depending on how bad the day was.

Meat and high fat foods increase risk of esophageal cancer: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20970272, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18537156


Consumption of non-vegetarian foods is an independent predictor of gastro-esophageal reflux disease: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21792655



Non-vegetarian diet is associated with reflux esophagitis:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23508985

 

High fiber intake protective against esophageal cancer:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23815145


Vegan and vegetarian diets improve body weight, glycemic control, and CVD risk factors, and protect against developing metabolic syndrome: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25084991

95% of persistent organic pollutants consumed by humans are consumed from animal products:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24262435

Vegetarian diets are better for kidney disease patients: http://www.pcrm.org/health/medNews/vegetarian-diets-better-for-kidney-patients

A high-carb low-fat (vegan) diet can reduce total and LDL cholesterol and lead to modest weight
reduction: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9805219

Women on vegan diets have more omega-3 ‘good fats’ in their blood: http://www.pcrm.org/health/medNews/women-on-vegan-diets-have-more-long-chain-omega-3s

Low carb, high animal protein diet linked to higher risk of mortality: http://www.pcrm.org/health/medNews/low-carb-high-animal-protein-diet-linked-to-higher

Even if HDL cholesterol lowers on a low-fat vegan diet, cardiovascular risk factors improve:

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/10/1/58

[liberalismo]

fucking idiots these people.
i don't understand why they don't try vegetarianism if they're doing it for ethical reasons, can get ethically produced dairy products and virtually every fucking city has a local farmer's market where local family run farms sell dairy foods.
if doing it for health reasons, then they're even bigger idiots because there are no health benefits of a vegan diet to being a vegetarian or meat eater. It's a shiteside worse for your health!

Whenever somebody tells me they're vegan, I end any conversation we're having and abruptly walk off or if I'm having a bad day and said person was annoying even before the vegan acclamation, I'd backhand them on the face. Several times depending on how bad the day was.

Avoiding red meat improves inflammation:

http://www.pcrm.org/health/medNews/avoiding-redmeat-improves-inflammation


Vegetarian diet can reduce risk of metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance and provide
metabolic and cardiovascular protective effects: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23951247


Vegans and vegetarians enjoy greater longevity and lower risk of heart disease, type 2 diabetes,hypertension, cancers, all-cause mortality, and metabolic syndrome:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26148917

Higher consumption of fruits and vegetables can protect against cerebrovascular diseases:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19646291

Higher consumption of fruits and vegetables leads to modest reduction in development of major
chronic diseases: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15523086

Higher consumption of fruits and vegetables protects against heart disease:
 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11412050

Vegetarians have lower risk of ischemic heart disease: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/97/3/597.full.pdf

Vegans and vegetarians have lower blood pressure and prevalence of hypertension:
 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12372158

Beneficial association between vegetarian diet and cardiovascular risk factors:
 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25343719

African-American vegans have better cardiovascular disease risk factors than lacto-ovovegetarians:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9791838

Plant-based diets can prevent the development of several chronic age-related diseases:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1741-7015-8-54.pdf

 

Kaiser Permanente says that physicians should recommend plant-based diets to all patients:

http://www.thepermanentejournal.org/issues/2013/spring/5117-nutrition.html,
http://nutritionfacts.org/2015/12/15/making-plant-based-diets-the-new-normal/

 
High cholesterol levels increase joint inflammation: http://www.pcrm.org/health/medNews/
cholesterol-levels-increase-joint-inflammation

[Mr Anabolic]

Nothing wrong with eating meat.  It's the goofballs who go to the extreme trying to vilify it that annoy me.  Keep junk foods and sugars to a minimum.  Everything in moderation.

Libtardism working overtime in this thread.

[The Scott]

Nothing wrong with eating meat.  It's the goofballs who go to the extreme trying to vilify it that annoy me.  Keep junk foods and sugars to a minimum.  Everything in moderation.

Libtardism working overtime in this thread.

I agree. For example, my older brother is a vegan but not an asshole.  He sometimes jokingly says that he does it so there's more meat available for me.  My younger brother was a vegetarian for years but one day walked into a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse and said the heaven's opened up and a voice said, "EAT!"   

He said he couldn't argue with that, so he sat down and ordered.


Neither were nor ever will be libtards.  They just have/had a different diet than me. 

[SF1900]

Nothing wrong with eating meat.  It's the goofballs who go to the extreme trying to vilify it that annoy me.  Keep junk foods and sugars to a minimum.  Everything in moderation.

Libtardism working overtime in this thread.

Depends what kind of meat. Your body does not need red meat. There is ample evidence that HIGH consumption of red meat is associated with a range of physical diseases. Of course, eating red meat 1x per week probably will not do much harm, but Americans eat too much of it.  You can easily get all the nutrients you need from lean chicken, turkey, fish, and egg whites. I have completely cut out red meat from my diet. If I could get my nutrients from other food, and avoid any chance of increasing diseases, why continue to eat red meat?  I guess the only answer is: because it taste good and I like it. So be it.

[FitnessFrenzy]

Depends what kind of meat. Your body does not need red meat. There is ample evidence that HIGH consumption of red meat is associated with a range of physical diseases. Of course, eating red meat 1x per week probably will not do much harm, but Americans eat too much of it.  You can easily get all the nutrients you need from lean chicken, turkey, fish, and egg whites. I have completely cut out red meat from my diet. If I could get my nutrients from other food, and avoid any chance of increasing diseases, why continue to eat red meat?  I guess the only answer is: because it taste good and I like it. So be it.

yes, but if we all follow the health rules and guidelines we would all be eating extremely boring and sad diets. I will eat my red meat, have some life quality, and live with the chance of reducing my life span with a few years.

[SF1900]

yes, but if we all follow the health rules and guidelines we would all be eating extremely boring and sad diets. I will eat my red meat, have some life quality, and live with the chance of reducing my life span with a few years.

Since I have a Death Anxiety (Ernest Becker: The Denial of Death), I want to hold onto every last bit of life that I could obtain. 

[The Scott]

I'm safe.  I can't afford a diet high in red meat.  Dammit!

[WannaBePro]

I'm safe.  I can't afford a diet high in red meat.  Dammit!

Where I live ground beef is way cheaper than chicken or fish (except canned tuna, love that stuff. Cheap and high in protein). Chicken in Ontario is crazy expensive... fucking sucks.

[FitnessFrenzy]

Since I have a Death Anxiety (Ernest Becker: The Denial of Death), I want to hold onto every last bit of life that I could obtain. 

Then you need to train with the biceps suspinator and buy Rich Piana supplements 

[NelsonMuntz]

Where I live ground beef is way cheaper than chicken or fish (except canned tuna, love that stuff. Cheap and high in protein). Chicken in Ontario is crazy expensive... fucking sucks.

if you look around you can find breasts for $3.99/lbs such as Loblaws where I just came from 10 minutes ago

[WannaBePro]

if you look around you can find breasts for $3.99/lbs such as Loblaws where I just came from 10 minutes ago

My parents live in NJ and their chicken breast (not on sale) is 1.99/lb 

Plus, I don't really have time to hunt down sales in different stores at the moment. I do wanna find a good butcher I can buy from in bulk, just haven't looked yet... Been working weekdays AND weekends for the past couple years, as well as school haha. So time is tight.

[phreak]

Everyone should stop conflating rex meat with fatty meat. Game is red meat, yet extremely lean.

[SF1900]

Then you need to train with the biceps suspinator and buy Rich Piana supplements 

I can use Basiles bicep supination machine to imbue me with life energy.

And I would never use Rich Pianas supplements. I only buy my supplements from the top of the industry, Caliber Fitness Solutions.

[Voice of Doom]

Eat what you want...just keep it to yourself.  Fucking social media and generation nothingness....

[Thong Maniac]

Nothing wrong with eating meat.  It's the goofballs who go to the extreme trying to vilify it that annoy me.  Keep junk foods and sugars to a minimum.  Everything in moderation.

Libtardism working overtime in this thread.

correct. nothing wrong with eating meat. whats wrong is big agribusiness and its lack of ethics. Whether your a "lib" or "neo-con conservatard", we can all agree on that.

i choose to limit all meat and do my best to avoid dairy. i dont think dairy is good for people in general. my whole thing here is, id rather go hunt a deer and use the meat than buy a burger from the store. but since i dont hunt, this wont be happening but i would eat it if a friend shot it. it took me a while to come on board with vegetarian-esq eating...it really took me sitting down and really asking myself that if i couldnt actually butcher and kill a cow myself, then i have no right eating it. a few weeks ago, i had a hard time killing a fish i caught for dinner. like i didnt want it to suffocate, so i stabbed it in the brain (atleast tried to) and it flopped all over violently ...was really hard for me to do that and felt this sense of guilt. Now if i have those feelings for a fish, there aint no way i should be eating a cow or chicken that had a shit life full of terror, or drink milk from a cow stuck in a stall all day just so i can have my milk.

by the way, i never tell anyone im a vegetarian, vegan, or pescatarian or anything...i just dont eat that stuff anymore, amd its no ones business. sure, there are loud mouths on each side of the fence, doesnt meall all vegans or all meat eaters are annoying

[Zillotch]

'veganism'….. 

[spiro]

correct. nothing wrong with eating meat. whats wrong is big agribusiness and its lack of ethics. Whether your a "lib" or "neo-con conservatard", we can all agree on that.

i choose to limit all meat and do my best to avoid dairy. i dont think dairy is good for people in general. my whole thing here is, id rather go hunt a deer and use the meat than buy a burger from the store. but since i dont hunt, this wont be happening but i would eat it if a friend shot it. it took me a while to come on board with vegetarian-esq eating...it really took me sitting down and really asking myself that if i couldnt actually butcher and kill a cow myself, then i have no right eating it. a few weeks ago, i had a hard time killing a fish i caught for dinner. like i didnt want it to suffocate, so i stabbed it in the brain (atleast tried to) and it flopped all over violently ...was really hard for me to do that and felt this sense of guilt. Now if i have those feelings for a fish, there aint no way i should be eating a cow or chicken that had a shit life full of terror, or drink milk from a cow stuck in a stall all day just so i can have my milk.

by the way, i never tell anyone im a vegetarian, vegan, or pescatarian or anything...i just dont eat that stuff anymore, amd its no ones business. sure, there are loud mouths on each side of the fence, doesnt meall all vegans or all meat eaters are annoying

Quits trt loses all gains turns into a vegan feels bad for killing a fish awesome.

[Thong Maniac]

Quits trt loses all gains turns into a vegan feels bad for killing a fish awesome.

atleast im not christian....burned.

[HTexan]

[liberalismo]

'veganism'….. 

Veganism