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Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« on: June 03, 2016, 08:03:11 AM »
Personally, I prefer Mike. He seemed more streamlined. Ray always looked soft, like he carried too much water. Mike at 5'8" (1" shorter than Ray) and 225 pounds, with his 18 5/8" biceps was a better bodybuilder than his heavier brother. Thoughts?

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2016, 08:04:11 AM »
Mike


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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2016, 08:06:25 AM »
mike was always a little better than his younger sibling.
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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2016, 08:08:26 AM »
Uncrowned  Mr. O, Mike Mentzer.
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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2016, 08:09:36 AM »
Mike


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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2016, 08:12:17 AM »
Not even close.  Mike.

Bah!

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2016, 08:20:05 AM »
Uncrowned  Mr. O, Mike Mentzer.

Personally, I think he was better in the late 70's than he was in 1980. His chest was way to flat in 1980. He just seemed depleted that year. He was much fuller when he competed against Robby Robinson as can be seen below.


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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2016, 08:21:08 AM »
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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2016, 08:21:25 AM »
Mike.

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2016, 08:31:01 AM »
robbie was like a piece of black marble'no racist'

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2016, 08:35:24 AM »
Ray's physique was less "Distinctive" and had a more classic look for lack of a better term.

Ray got sick supposedly bulking up to 300lbs or something in the '80s so I wonder what he had planned if his kidneys hadn't given out and Rachel driven him mad...

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2016, 08:37:15 AM »
Ray (light blue trunks) getting smoked by bro here.
Mike was seriously impressive as a teen. WOW

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2016, 08:40:19 AM »
Wonder what these two fellas are up to these days.

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2016, 08:45:32 AM »
Anyone know the dosages and what Mentzer ran?
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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2016, 11:10:44 AM »
Sickest shaped arms on Mike. His triceps and forearms are among the best ever.

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2016, 11:30:12 AM »
I'll go with Ray Mercer... Legend...

Was in some classic brawls when Boxing was still legit...


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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2016, 11:45:18 AM »
Ray (light blue trunks) getting smoked by bro here.
Mike was seriously impressive as a teen. WOW

Huge triceps.

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2016, 11:49:12 AM »
Ray (light blue trunks) getting smoked by bro here.
Mike was seriously impressive as a teen. WOW

If Mike is 18/19 in that photo then Ray was 16/17


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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2016, 11:51:19 AM »
Anyone know the dosages and what Mentzer ran?

Mentzer:"I took 400mg of Deca Durabolin every 10-14 days,....and no more than five Dianabol a day."

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2016, 01:45:13 PM »
Mentzer:"I took 400mg of Deca Durabolin every 10-14 days,....and no more than five Dianabol a day."

That's not what he told me, but it IS true that Mike loved Deca.  That much is true :)

As for the rest, I know he wasn't crazy about test because of the water retention, but he still felt it necessary to build size in the offseason.  He said he cycled on and off, but "off" meant a maintenance dose of ... something.  I can't remember what.

However, in spite of his later-in-life penchant for vodka, getting lazy, somewhat fat and smoking filterless Camels, Mike was supposed to be much more conscientious about mega-dosaging drugs in his competitive days.  He freely admitted that he shot the shit out of Deca and "used plenty of pills," but due to a family condition, he swore up and down that he was ever-cognizant of stressing his liver.  (As he also told me, the Vodka Gimlets were mostly a way of drying out.  Kevin Levrone approved, that :D .)

As to the topic, Ray never realized his potential.  Neither did Mike, for that matter, but it wasn't as if the latter was going to suddenly show up shredded AND with crazy pec thickness.  He knew he'd played his cards, and whatever bit of progress he had in him would never be enough to sway TPTB (witness Chris Dickerson winning an Olympia in '82, to say nothing of a legless, bitch-titted Franco "winning" in '81). 

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2016, 05:57:28 PM »
Mike simply got fed up of the bullshit that happened in the 1980's Olympia and Arnold winning it, He simply didn't give a shit about competitive bodybuilding after that fiasco. Nonetheless, both Mentzers deserve a lot of credit for their Heavy Duty training, which Dorian picked up after, and We all know the outcome of that story...

RIP Mighty Mentzer Brothers!

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2016, 06:29:46 PM »
Uncrowned  Mr. O, Mike Mentzer.

you got that right wiggs


fucking shame he retired  so young and early was respected by his peers to , you dont see any guys from his era talk shit about him

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2016, 06:32:45 PM »
mike was well liked by joe weider as well


weider was paying him  150k a year to be an editor for muscle and fitness  this was in the early 80's   that was big money for a bodybuilder then

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2016, 06:41:48 PM »
Sickest shaped arms on Mike. His triceps and forearms are among the best ever.
From all the pics presented, and that I have seen, they look pretty average. And their conditioning was not the best, either.

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Re: Who was better? Mike or Ray Mentzer?
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2016, 06:45:01 PM »
Ray (light blue trunks) getting smoked by bro here.
Mike was seriously impressive as a teen. WOW

It's crazy how much difference a mustache makes them look. I didn't recognize either of them.