Ban the AR-15 from Civilian Ownership :-O

[NarcissisticDeity]

From a Federalist article today


Are you ready for a mind-blowing statistic? In 2014, you were six times more likely to be murdered with a knife than you were with a rifle. Knives were the weapon of choice in 1,567 murders in 2014, according to the FBI. It gets crazier. You were also nearly three times more likely to be killed by someone’s fists or feet than you were to be murdered with a rifle. In 2014, 660 people were murdered with what the FBI calls “personal weapons”–hands, fists, feet–compared to 248 with rifles.


In the United States, knives are more deadly than rifles. So are fists. And feet. This is not my opinion. It is an incontrovertible fact. And it’s a fact that highlights a point that far too many people refuse to acknowledge: the human desire to kill is far more deadly than any weapon. Weapons do not of their own volition and agency decide to kill people. That requires human intervention. Humans hell-bent on death and destruction will get their hands on whatever tools they need to wreak their desired havoc. Restricting the use of those tools by innocent people who only want to protect themselves and their families is delusional madness.

These fucking morons absolutely CAN NOT argue facts , but they don't care about facts. It's a trend and people will follow that trend regardless. AR15s have been demonized and people will just recycle the rhetoric anyway.

These people are such cowards they can't admit they're ignorant and wrong. No integrity whatsoever. So comfortable in their sanctimonious cloak of ignorance.

[headhuntersix]

I will say this...everytime  this happens I buy more ammo. I used to try and get 500-1000 rds a month but I bought a bike and HD gets all my extra cash now. I guess I better grab some. They said gun company stocks soared Monday. Listening to Obama blather on about "glocks with lots of clips in them" and all the other shit the left spews used to make me angry..now I'm nervous. Congress is full of shitheads who roll over rather then take a stand on anything.

[timfogarty]

She's just as ignorant as you are. First he didn't use an AR15 , Second the vast majority of " mass shootings " ( 4 or more victims ) are done with pistols. Third there is NO ban of " Assault weapons " only cosmetic features of them. A reinstatement of a ban would have NOT prevented a " Assault Weapons Ban " configured AR15 from being used exactly as one used in any mass shooting. They still fire the exact same round , at the exact same velocity with the exact same capacity.

Some points made in these videos

- should people who are on the No Fly List be allowed to buy weapons?

- there is a 3 day waiting period in Florida for buying a hand gun, but not for guns that require two hands to hold. Should there be?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Some points made in these videos

- should people who are on the No Fly List be allowed to buy weapons?

- there is a 3 day waiting period in Florida for buying a hand gun, but not for guns that require two hands to hold. Should there be?

should people who are on the No Fly List be allowed to buy weapons?

If no laws were broken beforehand then yes , you can't convict people of thought crimes. I recall after 9/11 a U.S citizen was blackbagged shipped to Gitmo and held there for 3 fucking years without ever being able to see his family or being able to talk to a lawyer , come to find out he wasn't one of the bad guys Opppsss .Gov " our bad " Who is on these " lists " how do they get on these " lists "?

- there is a 3 day waiting period in Florida for buying a hand gun, but not for guns that require two hands to hold. Should there be?

Arbitrary and irrelevant , He could have just bought 2 Glock 17s with 33 round magazines and killed just as many.

[calfzilla]

My AR15 must be broken.  It just sits there in the safe until I pic it up.  It's never shot or attacked anyone.  It never logs onto twitter and posts hateful rants.

It never gets drunk, or sad, or angry.  It doesn't do anything.  Never moves, never does anything on it's own.  I think I'm gonna bring it back and get a refund.

Was thinking the same thing about my guns. They just sit there doing nothing. I thought they were supposed to just randomly start shooting me. I confuse.   

[tonymctones]

Some points made in these videos

- should people who are on the No Fly List be allowed to buy weapons?

- there is a 3 day waiting period in Florida for buying a hand gun, but not for guns that require two hands to hold. Should there be?

You can't strip someone's constitutional rights without due process.

Here is my question for you Tim, are you ok with restricting the first ammendment? This last guy, the couple in San bernidino, fort hood all were radicalized with the help of the Internet. Are you ok with making preaching/talking about radical ideology illegal?

[tonymctones]

The world is dangerous, anybody that thinks it isn't is either native or stupid.
But, to answer your patronizing question,  it depends were you live in Texas. Texas is a big place.
The border areas are literally the Wild West. Houston and Jacksonville is fucked with crime, go down the wrong street you might end up dead. Kind of like Japan. 
Austin is great, if you stay out of the east side "barrio". Oh, and 6th st is party city,  full of college drunks so fights and thief happen. The biggest threat is Austin is the shitty drivers, the hit bikes and people all the time.  I never conceal carry in Austin. My job requires me to travel sometimes so I Only Conceal carry when I travel now.

So when in Houston best bring an AR-15?

Houston has no fucking zoning which means that it's all pockets. Anywhere in Houston you are never more than a few blocks away from a not so great part of town. I live in one of the best and the richest part of town (rent mind you) and I could be in a pretty crappy part of town in 5 mins

[NarcissisticDeity]

Was thinking the same thing about my guns. They just sit there doing nothing. I thought they were supposed to just randomly start shooting me. I confuse.   

For people who pride themselves on " tolerance " and " understanding " they like to associate anyone who owns a similar gun as almost as bad as the lunatics who use them to murder. I get the passive/aggressive jokes " Hey you own these guns don't piss him off hahahahahaha " You become guilty by association

[chaos]

Ban alcohol

Alcohol-Related Deaths:
 • Nearly 88,000 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making it the fourth leading preventable cause of death in the United States.10
 • In 2014, alcohol-impaired driving fatalities accounted for 9,967 deaths (31 percent of overall driving fatalities).11


https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics


Ban cigarettes

Cigarette smoking causes about one of every five deaths in the United States each year.1,6 Cigarette smoking is estimated to cause the following:1
 •More than 480,000 deaths annually (including deaths from secondhand smoke)
•278,544 deaths annually among men (including deaths from secondhand smoke)
•201,773 deaths annually among women (including deaths from secondhand smoke)


http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/


Ban guns? LOL


Number of Deaths 13,430


Number of Injuries 27,002


http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls

[Pray_4_War]

For people who pride themselves on " tolerance " and " understanding " they like to associate anyone who owns a similar gun as almost as bad as the lunatics who use them to murder. I get the passive/aggressive jokes " Hey you own these guns don't piss him off hahahahahaha " You become guilty by association

Absolutely.  I can't think of another Constitutional right that gets stigmatized, mocked, undermined, and constantly attacked like this.

[Thong Maniac]

I will say this...everytime  this happens I buy more ammo. I used to try and get 500-1000 rds a month but I bought a bike and HD gets all my extra cash now. I guess I better grab some. They said gun company stocks soared Monday. Listening to Obama blather on about "glocks with lots of clips in them" and all the other shit the left spews used to make me angry..now I'm nervous. Congress is full of shitheads who roll over rather then take a stand on anything.

lol so ur the ones doing that...idiots. never fails; gun shows lines way long, gun stocks soaring, water cooler talks of "bama gonna take our guns", buying up all the ammo, making ak47s go from $250 to 1000 overnight...sigh. News flash son, your always gonna have your guns, as will I. these mass shootings are the BEST thing to ever happen to the gun industry. Your talking points are just as lame as the far left. where the fuck are the moderate minded common sense people? all i see here is right wing wind bags and far left EU types.

thanks to dudes like you, i wont be able to get ammo for my rifle in months and months now. was goin hit up bass pro shops yesterday but said fuck it...all it would be is empty shelves and talking points from the store clerks behind the gun counter, and having to fake laugh at how cringe worthy and idiotic they sound "bama gona take ur gunz better get some ammo" ...um ok, how about ring me up instead moron

[timfogarty]

summarizing a bunch of posts above:

I am not for criminalizing hate speech.  Most of the people held at Gitmo were not guilty of any crime.  Torture is always wrong.  The No Fly List is a violation of due process.

The question is how do we prevent bad people from accessing these weapons?  Most of the mass shootings in the US have been done by emotionally disturbed young American men.  How do we make it harder for them to commit these atrocities ?

There are already restrictions on what type of weapons you can legally own. There are already regulations on what you must do to obtain certain weapons. These restrictions and regulations are not a violation of the 2nd Amendment.

Propose some solutions now. The more mass shootings occur the more the public will want to ban.

[timfogarty]

Absolutely.  I can't think of another Constitutional right that gets stigmatized, mocked, undermined, and constantly attacked like this.

Like the bible, people disagree on what the 2nd Amendment say.  "Arms" does not mean any weapon of any type. "the people" doesn't mean everyone. (we do restrict children and felons)

And what about that no standing army clause?  To me the militarization of the police violates that.

[Kazan]

summarizing a bunch of posts above:
There are already restrictions on what type of weapons you can legally own. There are already regulations on what you must do to obtain certain weapons. These restrictions and regulations are not a violation of the 2nd Amendment.

Propose some solutions now. The more mass shootings occur the more the public will want to ban.

Really they are not a violation? What part of "shall not be infringed" allows the government to restrict any type of weapon? The only reason any of this BS stands is because "We the people" allow it, and no one has taken it to court.

The thing that I find odd about these attacks, is everywhere else, they seem to prefer explosives. Suicide bombers, IED's...... But here they choose guns, now before you say easy to get, there is no way a gun is easier to get in the US than asscrackistan. I wonder why that is, maybe because they know that the general American populous is so fucking stupid, that they will beg .gov to take away their constitutional rights.

[tonymctones]

summarizing a bunch of posts above:

I am not for criminalizing hate speech.  Most of the people held at Gitmo were not guilty of any crime.  Torture is always wrong.  The No Fly List is a violation of due process.

The question is how do we prevent bad people from accessing these weapons?  Most of the mass shootings in the US have been done by emotionally disturbed young American men.  How do we make it harder for them to commit these atrocities ?

There are already restrictions on what type of weapons you can legally own. There are already regulations on what you must do to obtain certain weapons. These restrictions and regulations are not a violation of the 2nd Amendment.

Propose some solutions now. The more mass shootings occur the more the public will want to ban.

There are also tons of restrictions to free speech Tim, why are you ok with restricting the 2nd ammendment but not the first?

It's obvious that a number of these people have been radicalized over the Internet, why not address it at the source instead of the way they choose to act out?

Removing guns will not solve this problem

[timfogarty]

[tonymctones]

There are also tons of restrictions to free speech Tim, why are you ok with restricting the 2nd ammendment but not the first?

It's obvious that a number of these people have been radicalized over the Internet, why not address it at the source instead of the way they choose to act out?

Removing guns will not solve this problem

Use your words tim

[Never1AShow]

Look, they are just pussies.  Can't say it in the real world in a political discussion or you'll get doxxed, but that it, bottom line.  Gun banners are scared pussies.

Remember back in the late 70s when everyone was scared of a little Saturday Nite Special gun?

[Pray_4_War]

Like the bible, people disagree on what the 2nd Amendment say.  "Arms" does not mean any weapon of any type. "the people" doesn't mean everyone. (we do restrict children and felons)

And what about that no standing army clause?  To me the militarization of the police violates that.

People who want to pontificate about what the founders intended have to understand what they had just been through.  They just got done fighting for their freedom against an oppressive government.  The 2nd amendment had nothing to do with hunting, or shooting at tin cans for recreation.  It's was to make our government and foreign armies think twice about trying to subjugate our people.  In that context it doesn't make any logical sense to allow the government to carry M16s and M4s but restricting the people to only having shotguns, pistols and bolt action rifles.  The people obviously aren't going to have tanks and air support and tactical nukes but anyone who intends to trample on us needs to know that it isn't going to be easy and they are going to take some casualties.  That we have the means to fight for our freedom.  Without capable weapons to do that we are subjects and our rights exist only at the pleasure of our rulers.

[Never1AShow]

Houston has no fucking zoning which means that it's all pockets. Anywhere in Houston you are never more than a few blocks away from a not so great part of town. I live in one of the best and the richest part of town (rent mind you) and I could be in a pretty crappy part of town in 5 mins

Sounds like LA.  Marina Del Rey next to Venice and Mar Vista, Beverly Hills also close to some shitty areas.  In 1992 the Thin Blue Line of law enforcement broke down in that city for 3 days.  It could easily happen again in a heartbeat in lots of cities in this country.  Everyone who had a gun was carrying.  Everyone who had two guns lent one out.

[Pray_4_War]

Didn't watch.  Since when did the fucking Daily Show on Comedy Central become a relevant venue for political discussion?

It's mockery and condescension disguised as political analysis.  They are dishonest, one sided and agenda driven.  M0therfuck the Daily Show and it know-nothing audience.

[Never1AShow]

Really they are not a violation? What part of "shall not be infringed" allows the government to restrict any type of weapon? The only reason any of this BS stands is because "We the people" allow it, and no one has taken it to court.

The thing that I find odd about these attacks, is everywhere else, they seem to prefer explosives. Suicide bombers, IED's...... But here they choose guns, now before you say easy to get, there is no way a gun is easier to get in the US than asscrackistan. I wonder why that is, maybe because they know that the general American populous is so fucking stupid, that they will beg .gov to take away their constitutional rights.

Right now you have a constitutional right to carry a firearm for self defense.  Once the next Supreme Court Justice is appointed you may not.

[XFACTOR]

Should also license gays, have them tested and insured to make sure they don't pass on any infectious, harmful diseases.

Do you really think like this or are you kidding? Just curious where your racism stems from, parents, friends, grandparents..?  

[TuHolmes]

Do you really think like this or are you kidding? Just curious where your racism stems from, parents, friends, grandparents..?  

I am curious as to what "racism" you saw in his post.
Are you claiming that "gay" is a "race"?

[Kazan]

People who want to pontificate about what the founders intended have to understand what they had just been through.  They just got done fighting for their freedom against an oppressive government.  The 2nd amendment had nothing to do with hunting, or shooting at tin cans for recreation.  It's was to make our government and foreign armies think twice about trying to subjugate our people.  In that context it doesn't make any logical sense to allow the government to carry M16s and M4s but restricting the people to only having shotguns, pistols and bolt action rifles.  The people obviously aren't going to have tanks and air support and tactical nukes but anyone who intends to trample on us needs to know that it isn't going to be easy and they are going to take some casualties.  That we have the means to fight for our freedom.  Without capable weapons to do that we are subjects and our rights exist only at the pleasure of our rulers.

Exactly, there are also the federalist and anti federalist papers to give us a better understanding of their thoughts on the subject. I bet 99% of Americans have never even heard of these.