2 year old killed by a gator at Disney World

[Viking11]

It's Florida for cripes sake.  You don't need to be a resident to know there are gators everywhere.  While very tragic, the parents should be held negligent and liable.  There were signs saying NO SWIMMING, yet they allowed their toddler to go in, undoubtedly without water wings or any other type life preserver.  The kid could've just as easily drown.  It's a resort!  It's in Florida!  I'm sure there are POOLS for swimming.  The signs said no swimming PERIOD.  Why does it need to be pointed out WHY?  It's a rule, yet they chose to ignore it.   

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[V Man]

You literally didn't have to look any further than the top of this page.

There is nothing at the top of this page or this thread regarding my post.

[Al Doggity]

It's Florida for cripes sake.  You don't need to be a resident to know there are gators everywhere.  While very tragic, the parents should be held negligent and liable.  There were signs saying NO SWIMMING, yet they allowed their toddler to go in, undoubtedly without water wings or any other type life preserver.  The kid could've just as easily drown.  It's a resort!  It's in Florida!  I'm sure there are POOLS for swimming.  The signs said no swimming PERIOD.  Why does it need to be pointed out WHY?  It's a rule, yet they chose to ignore it.   

I've seen this argument repeated all over the place. Couldn't disagree more. Gators just aren't something you think about when you're from outside of Florida and you don't really think of dangerous wildlife encroaching on your Disney vacation. They don't even let garbage or off-duty characters loose in the park.  As for the "no swimming" thing, a further explanation would have definitely made a difference. If  you're not thinking about dangerous wildlife, the biggest danger you're thinking of is probably no lifeguard on duty or something like that. Under those circumstances, there is a significant difference between allowing your kid to swim and allowing them to get their feet wet while you are a dozen yards away. If the hazard is as serious as a potential gator attack, the warning should not be that open-ended.

[Al Doggity]

There is nothing at the top of this page or this thread regarding my post.

Someone must have deleted something. It is now the last post on page 1.

[V Man]

Obvious difference between an animal locked inside an enclosure, and one just going about its business unrestrained.
Child neglect all the same, but vastly different circumstances that don't warrant the drawing of a parallel.

My point is that the incident at the Zoo, everyone attacked the mother for neglect......in this instance no one did. In my opinion this is worse because as was mentioned....everyone should know there are gators in Florida.

At the Zoo though, should the Mother be expected to know her child could somehow get in the Gorilla enclosure? I'm just wondering if that child had died if there would be more sympathy and less anger towards the mother?

Anyway, just making an observation because I find people funny that way.  

[Tapeworm]

That poor dad, fought it and still lost. 

Dude is divorcing for sure.  When something comes to eat the offspring you either have to fight it off or die trying.  Those are the rules.  There's no story that will justify otherwise.  He fought it until he got bitten (meaning the kid wasn't in the gator's mouth), then he chickened out, backed off, and let it take the kid.  There was an actual moment when he watched it approach the kid, chomp on, and slide back into the water dragging the kid, all while he stood there and watched.  Fuck that guy.

[Nails]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/alligator-attacks-child-disney-florida/

[SF1900]

They said the body was found intact. Don't wild animals usually kill for a meal? Wonder why the gator just killed. Perhaps he felt threatened?  

[BB]

They said the body was found intact. Don't wild animals usually kill for a meal? Wonder why the gator just killed. Perhaps he felt threatened?  

Could've gotten scared by the man/gator hunt. Also certain times if a meal is too large or tough, they'll stash it, and till it softens and rots a bit to make it easier to eat.

[funk51]

Was in Florida last year, for the first time since we had our daughter. Were at Disney World for 4 days and then went out to Vero Beach to stay with some of my wife's friends. I felt so on edge when  they were describing their encounters with wildlife to us. People claim that urban coyotes are a growing problem here in NYC, but I've yet to see any evidence of it personally. I did see a roaming pack of them in a Florida backyard.

here in pa we got a lot of these coyotes running lose. just saw a pack of 5-6 of these guys the other day.

[Al Doggity]

Could've gotten scared by the man/gator hunt. Also certain times if a meal is too large or tough, they'll stash it, and till it softens and rots a bit to make it easier to eat.

The fight with the father and mother could have scared it off, too. I've been reading that alligators tend to be more opportunistic than predatory, so an unexpected fight could have turned his appetite.

[Mr Anabolic]

[Princess L]

I've seen this argument repeated all over the place. Couldn't disagree more. Gators just aren't something you think about when you're from outside of Florida and you don't really think of dangerous wildlife encroaching on your Disney vacation. They don't even let garbage or off-duty characters loose in the park.  As for the "no swimming" thing, a further explanation would have definitely made a difference. If  you're not thinking about dangerous wildlife, the biggest danger you're thinking of is probably no lifeguard on duty or something like that. Under those circumstances, there is a significant difference between allowing your kid to swim and allowing them to get their feet wet while you are a dozen yards away. If the hazard is as serious as a potential gator attack, the warning should not be that open-ended.

IT'S A LAGOON.  Man made or otherwise.  Who knows what could be lurking in there ~  snapping turtle, snakes, leaches... (don't know if any of those things are down there) but still foolish to let your kid wander into unknown territory where it's CLEARLY POSTED not to PERIOD.  Heck, there's gators roaming golf courses.  You hit your ball into the rough, are you just gonna reach your hand in there without thinking twice, or do you need to be told "hey, there might be fire ants in there or nesting wildlife?   Just 'cause the name "Disney" is part of it doesn't make it all sterile and fantasyland.

[Al Doggity]

here in pa we got a lot of these coyotes running lose. just saw a pack of 5-6 of these guys the other day.

I'm originally from PA, but haven't been there in about 20 years. I used to go bikeriding on nature trails with my friends all the time, but don't remember seeing any wildlife in the area.  Allegedly, coyote packs are a problem in a lot of areas of the country. My apartment is about 5 minutes away from central park, and I've read that there is a huge coyote population lurking in the area and they've snatched up smaller dogs as they were being walked by their owners. I've yet to see anything with my own eyes that makes me believe this. It sounds surreal, though.

[Chadwick The Beta]

They say bad things come in 3's!

The kid being eaten by the gator was bad.  The other two events actually offer a lot of hope and promise.

[Nails]

They said the body was found intact. Don't wild animals usually kill for a meal? Wonder why the gator just killed. Perhaps he felt threatened?  

If no teeth marks are found on the boy,  then it sounds like the poor boy either drowned or the father maybe ? k...ed him? and blamed it on a gator   It wa in the middle of the night ,  did anyone else beside the father see the gator? Maybe life is hard in cornland and wanted to be set for life with micky mouse money? I know , im reaching right?

[Al Doggity]

IT'S A LAGOON.  Man made or otherwise.  Who knows what could be lurking in there ~  snapping turtle, snakes, leaches... (don't know if any of those things are down there) but still foolish to let your kid wander into unknown territory where it's CLEARLY POSTED not to PERIOD.  Heck, there's gators roaming golf courses.  You hit your ball into the rough, are you just gonna reach your hand in there without thinking twice, or do you need to be told "hey, there might be fire ants in there or nesting wildlife?

It's a manmade lagoon at Disney-world. There is a presumption of safety that you wouldn't necessarily expect elsewhere. Whether or not you consider it foolish is one thing. Where I take exception with your previous post is your assertion that the parents should be held negligent and liable and that what happened is something that any reasonable person could have predicted. It really isn't. Someone familiar with florida, sure, but out-of-towners in that environment would not be thinking about stuff like that.

[Princess L]

I'm originally from PA, but haven't been there in about 20 years. I used to go bikeriding on nature trails with my friends all the time, but don't remember seeing any wildlife in the area.  Allegedly, coyote packs are a problem in a lot of areas of the country. My apartment is about 5 minutes away from central park, and I've read that there is a huge coyote population lurking in the area and they've snatched up smaller dogs as they were being walked by their owners. I've yet to see anything with my own eyes that makes me believe this. It sounds surreal, though.

It happens.  Even where I live, they're all over, but I've RARELY seen them (hear them all the time), yet people think they can just put up an "invisible fence" and their pet will be safe.     Safe from running out into the road, but not safe from whatever coming in. 

[Princess L]

It's a manmade lagoon at Disney-world. There is a presumption of safety that you wouldn't necessarily expect elsewhere. Whether or not you consider it foolish is one thing. Where I take exception with your previous post is your assertion that the parents should be held negligent and liable and that what happened is something that any reasonable person could have predicted. It really isn't. Someone familiar with florida, sure, but out-of-towners in that environment would not be thinking about stuff like that.

So it it should be all pristine, sterile and chemicalized?  No?  If not, then what kind of crap could be contracted on or through the skin?  Signs said no swimming.  Period.

We'll just agree to disagree on this one.

[WalterWhite]

It happens.  Even where I live, they're all over, but I've RARELY seen them (hear them all the time), yet people think they can just put up an "invisible fence" and their pet will be safe.    Safe from running out into the road, but not safe from whatever coming in.  

That's exactly why I have never used invisible fence living near the woods. Heck one  day I didn't see this in the yard until my Boston ran right past it. I took this pic when it climbed up a willow in my yard.

[Princess L]

That's exactly why I have never used invisible fence living near the woods. Heck one  day I didn't see this in the yard until my Boston ran right past it. I took this pic when it climbed up a willow in my yard.

Is that a porcupine?

[WalterWhite]

Is that a porcupine?

Yes it is.

[calfzilla]

here in pa we got a lot of these coyotes running lose. just saw a pack of 5-6 of these guys the other day.

Coyotes are harmless. I always hear them howling from my bedroom window. They are all over the place.

[Tapeworm]

It has 80s hair.

[K-1]

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I live right up the road from gatorland. Very popular spot.