Are box squats safe for Edomites?

[The Scott]

I wonder what ruined Ronnie; the 800Lb squats or the 800LB deadlifts or the 2000Lb Leg Presses

All that along with the  IQ of a short school bus/dark windows mind and his heavy drug use are what did that idiot in.

[chaos]

I wonder what ruined Ronnie; the 800Lb squats or the 800LB deadlifts or the 2000Lb Leg Presses

Surely had nothing to do with the grams upon grams of chemicals pounded into his body for decades. 

[Royalty]

Surely had nothing to do with the grams upon grams of chemicals pounded into his body for decades.  

Well, Yates & Cutler & Ruhl are still able to walk properly.... so I'm sure that it wasn't just the drugs

[Royalty]

Chaos, did you see my question for you? Page 3, third post from the bottom of the page.

[chaos]

Chaos, what is your primary hamstring movement?

Do you work your hamstrings before or after your Box Squats? Thanks

SLDL
Always do squatting movements first. I box squat maybe once every 4-6 weeks maybe. I actually prefer pause squats over box squats.

[The Scott]

I recall dong box squats many, many years ago. I never got hurt from them but I never liked them all that much. I preferred the "high rep death march"  squats.     Squatting transformed me more than any other exercise and my friends that were powerlifters were correct in that I think it truly is the king of exercises.

At first I hated the squat but the results changed my attitude and leg day became my absolute favorite.

[Royalty]

SLDL
Always do squatting movements first. I box squat maybe once every 4-6 weeks maybe. I actually prefer pause squats over box squats.

Ok thanks

[chaos]

Ok thanks

What is your primary hamstring movement?

[Royalty]

What is your primary hamstring movement?

Glute Ham Raises

And SLDL with the trap bar.

I was doing goodmornings... I have to start doing them again

[dr.chimps]

Glute Ham Raises

And SLDL with the trap bar.

I was doing goodmornings... I have to start doing them again

Sorry. The answer is squats. You are not going deep enough. I hate them, too. And it takes about a 10-minute shower. 

[Royalty]

Sorry. The answer is squats. You are not going deep enough. I hate them, too. And it takes about a 10-minute shower. 

I do squats too.

But the movements above are done specifically for leg biceps (and some lower back)

[dr.chimps]

I do squats too.

But the movements above are done specifically for leg biceps (and some lower back)

Leg biceps!? 

[Straw Man]

Poliquin is not a fan of box squats

https://www.t-nation.com/training/question-of-strength-48

T Nation: Is there a lift you'd never have an athlete do?

One lift I don't like very much for athletes is the box squat. I never prescribe it

For one thing, there are a lot of better, less injurious alternatives. Many lifters, when they get fatigued or they lose concentration, will bounce off the box and get fractures in their sacral vertebrae. I may have 70 different tools that work and are safe, and one that may be potentially unsafe. Which one do I pick when working with highly paid athletes that I must get strong in only 11 weeks?

If you do use the box squat for powerlifting applications, remember that it requires very good coaching and someone there to make sure you stay on the ball. I wouldn't prescribe the box squat to an athlete training alone. With a full squat, on the other hand, you don't see those injuries.

Also, outside of powerlifting, the mechanics of box squatting are not found in sport. I don't know of any sport where the shins don't travel forward for propulsion.

Now, you can use box squats sparingly in your training if you're a bodybuilder. They'll certainly hypertrophy the glutes and thighs. But bodybuilding isn't an athletic endeavor.

https://www.t-nation.com/training/question-of-strength-35

Box Squats for Athletes and Bodybuilders?
Q: What do you think of having athletes do box squats? What about bodybuilders?

A: I never use them. With athletes, you want the most bang for your buck, the highest return, because you only have eleven weeks on average to train them during their off-season. So the choice of exercises becomes really important.

The problem I have with box squats is that their application is limited to powerlifting. The reason being is the goal of powerlifting is to lift the highest amount of weight for the shortest amount of distance within the rules. Essentially in the box squat, your shins don't travel forward. Now I don't know of any sport where the shins don't travel forward for propulsion. So the mechanics of the box squat aren't found in sport.

Do you think all the Westside people are up in arms yet and have me on their hit list? But it's the Bruce Lee principle again: use what is useful and reject what is not. Box squats are the only thing in the Westside system I don't agree with. They only have applications for powerlifting.

Also, any sort of restricted movement pattern tends to change soft tissue integrity. One thing you'll find with people who do a lot of box squats is that they're abnormally tight in the piriformis muscle, for example. In sports where you have to change direction a lot, the box squat will actually decrease your power because you won't be able to use those muscles efficiently.

Finally, most of the athletes I have are highly paid. There's a risk when doing box squats of the athlete bouncing on the box due to lack of concentration. The trauma that can result on the sacral vertebraes could be tremendous. There are just better alternatives. If you're a powerlifter, they're great. If you're any other type of athlete, stay away from the box squat.

Now, as far as bodybuilding is concerned, you can inject box squats sparingly into the training process. They will hypertrophy the thighs and glutes. But bodybuilding isn't an athletic endeavor. Most bodybuilders can't walk and chew gum at the same time. They're not known for coordination!

[Rambone]

Not to hijack this thread dedicated to Edomites, but what is the exercise of choice for us Japhites? Thanks in advance.

[The Scott]

Not to hijack this thread dedicated to Edomites, but what is the exercise of choice for us Japhites? Thanks in advance.

Plain old squats will benefit anyone regardless of skin color, or in the case of Shittites, a  low IQ and even lower self esteem.

[Kwon]

Wait..are edomites white or black?

I mix up Japhites , Vegemites, Marmites and Edomites on a regular basis as well.

I think the Edomites are white according to Wiggipedia.

[falco]

Wiggs told me i was a Japhite, so i really can't relate.
I had to google to know what box squats is. I do Tom Platz style squats minus his poundages and insane intensity. Just God'ol ass to grass barefoot.

[SilverSpoon]

The original box squat had the lifter actually lift his feet off the ground when performing the lift.

[Primemuscle]

I want to be able to walk unaided when Im 70, so yes, I will avoid any exercise that unduly stresses my body, same with heavy wights, I avoid those also.

Explains why I never lifted all that heavy, just enough for a little bit of a challenge. Being almost 72, I can tell you that this approach pays off in the long run. I've been lifting for 56 years with no injuries.

[chaos]

Explains why I never lifted all that heavy, just enough for a little bit of a challenge. Being almost 72, I can tell you that this approach pays off in the long run. I've been lifting for 56 years with no injuries.

And no gains.

[Primemuscle]

And no gains.

If you say so. 

[chaos]

If you say so. 

I did

[NelsonMuntz]

Explains why I never lifted all that heavy, just enough for a little bit of a challenge. Being almost 72, I can tell you that this approach pays off in the long run. I've been lifting for 56 years with no injuries.

I am impressed that you still squat at 70 plus

[Primemuscle]

I am impressed that you still squat at 70 plus

Thanks for finding that photo of me squatting. In truth, the I beam was made from balsa wood.

[Coach is Back!]

Poliquin is not a fan of box squats

https://www.t-nation.com/training/question-of-strength-48

https://www.t-nation.com/training/question-of-strength-35

Not sure what you're getting at here but it is what it is.