OXYCONTIN, ANYONE!?

[HTexan]

There are a lot of extremely weak people out there. Look at Wiggs. Guy's deep mind clasped onto a "software" that it required for survival. That being some Dindu god.

No different than any person who seeks refuge in a religion/cult. Their very weakness allows an easy indoctrination. Once the brainwashing takes hold, it takes the power of Odin to pry them free of the poison.

Drugs are the equivalent. A person's brain can't cope so something is sought to relieve the turmoil.

 

What software does wiggs used?

[Mike]

Like religious folks, drug abusers/addicts are weak people.

Love the whole "it's a disease" horsecrap. Being an alcoholic or drug addict is not a disease. What a pathetic joke.

It's a disease whether you think so or not.

Some of the most successful people I know are recovering alcoholics and addicts.
Its because they have a drive to be the best and take everything to the extreme - work as well as recreation.

[Fortress]

What software does wiggs used?

Religion. Whatever one features a chocolate sky wizard. Don't ask me.

It's all kooky shit.  

[Fortress]

It's a disease whether you think so or not.

Some of the most successful people I know are recovering alcoholics and addicts.
Its because they have a drive to be the best and take everything to the extreme - work as well as recreation.

They might have an addictive personality, but drug and alcohol abuse/addiction is not a disease.

[Zillotch]

It's a disease whether you think so or not.

 

Drug addiction is a choice.

It takes dedicated effort to become addicted; a decision must be made every day, before every dose…. for as long as it takes to develop physical dependence.

[Disqus]

I don't agree with you.  Blame is shared.  It's shared against the manufacturer for essentially making synthetic Heroine. The blame is the doctor who just prescribes it to anyone.  The blame is especially on the doctor's that are acting like drug dealers and yes the blame is also on the patient but not 100%.  if someone was legit injured and needed it and the doctor just prescribed them 90 tabs for a 2-3 healing period then is the patient really to blame?  This happened to me.  He gave me 90 Norcos.  Not a few for pain I had.  Why the fuck did he give me so much and it had 2 refills, so I got two more bottles.  This was before they changed the schedule level making it harder to refill.  So you give a patient a super addictive drug and a lot of it and they get addicted is it really their fault?

Yes.

[Fortress]

Drug addiction is a choice.

It takes dedicated effort to become addicted; a decision must be made every day, before every dose…. for as long as it takes to develop physical dependence.

Well said.

To state it's a disease is so nonsensical it is absurd.

I mean, how would such a disease play out, then, if no, say, alcohol was available? No drug of ... choice. Yes, choice.

If you have cancer, doesn't matter where you go. That cancer is just there, in your body.

[Zillotch]

To state it's a disease is so nonsensical it is absurd.

Its like classifying the condition of your bloody, prolapsed rectum as 'disease', after voluntarily sitting on a cactus.

[Fortress]

Its like classifying the condition of your bloody, prolapsed rectum as 'disease', after voluntarily sitting on a cactus.

 

[2scared2post]

Drug addiction is a choice.

It takes dedicated effort to become addicted; a decision must be made every day, before every dose…. for as long as it takes to develop physical dependence.

Nah, its defiantly a disease.

Mike suffers from it, but cock is his drug of disease.

No matter what he does, they end up in him.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Nothing shady, how could anyone not know about opiod addiction? if it was marketed as non-addictive, sure, but it's a powerful opiate.

Holy shit.  Did you read the article?  It's not about addiction of how bad opiates are.  It's about a pharma company that knew a doctor was over prescribing the drugs to a point that it wasn't even meant for regular consumption but she was acting like a middle man to a drug cartel selling Oxy's on the street.

[2scared2post]

Holy shit.  Did you read the article?  It's not about addiction of how bad opiates are.  It's about a pharma company that knew a doctor was over prescribing the drugs to a point that it wasn't even meant for regular consumption but she was acting like a middle man to a drug cartel selling Oxy's on the street.

Once again, why should Pharmaceutical company's give a shit?

Let me guess, you think Pharmaceutical company's are here to help people 

[rocco-x]

Shit man. Wow. Thanks for telling your story. I hope you're clean now. If not, IBOGAINE/IBOGA.

yes,today iI'm clean today,8mnths. I got into a long term program that slowly weans ppl off methadone, a blind detoxn
  It took me 4mnths to get off but the anxiety was too much so I was put on a low dose of suboxone, 8mgs and i just dropped to 6mgs.next week I'm going to 4mgs. I haven't had or felt the urge for anything illicit...so far. Give or take a drug dream here n there it's getting better. I have thought about writing a book detailing my having been on both sides of the fence so to say. From being involved in LE to the belly of the beast of heroin addiction. Knowing fully what the drug does to a person both physically and socially.
  By September I'll be completely off everything. As of now I'm still in the program and have been given certain privileges such as a phone,a small stipend job for a few months until I get approved for schooling and work.
  After my relapse in 2013 after having 5yrs clean it was impossible to stop on my own.no matter what i did or tried I couldn't shake the compulsion and urges to keep using. I'd cry as i was prepping my arms for the next fix,praying it was a "hot shot" to take me off the count.
  
  I'm so glad I started perusing the web again and found GB. As of now this is my main forum...the CNN of the bodybuilding lifestyle.

[stuntmovie]

ROCCO,,,,,, WOW! What you said above was great reading and you really should write a book about your drug experience.

You write well and you overcame what many think is an impossibility.

The following has nothing to do with Oxycontin but what you said above has encouraged me to submit the this story.

It's a very true story about a very young kid who was not as successful as yourself.

Back in the 70's (maybe it was the 80'S) we met a young kid (maybe 20 or 21) who was a former teen age bodybuilder but due to a serious back injury, he had to wear a complicated back brace and take an abundance of pain killers.

A real good looking kid who was highly respected among his peers and even had his own teen radio show which was directed toward troubled teens as drugs were just about beginning to be a major problem way back
then.

This all occurred in California and Hawaii.

Flash forward to Hawaiii directly on Waikiki Beach right behind Duke's ...

I asked him if he wanted to take a swim and see some colorful fish beyond the reef (a hundred yards or so beyond the shore line).

He laughed and said, "I can't!".

And I said,"Let's give it a try. You'll be buoyant in the water once you take that contraption off."  (Contraption = complicated back brace)

So we get in the water and we get  his back brace off and he discovers he's very 'buoyant in the water' .... and a big smile comes across his face.

So I help him get beyond the reef and he's esthetic and has never felt so good since the day he got that backbrace 'installed'.

So eventually we get back to the beach and we 'reinstall' his backtrace and a gentleman comes over and introduces himself as a doctor and says.... "That's the best thing for him. He should do it everyday."

So we took his advice and  swam to the reef and back for the next three days and as we were getting out of the water on that third day he says,
"Let me try to walk without my brace!"

And he managed to do so .... slowly at first ... but eventually the brace is put aside and he meets a beautiful young lady and they get married and move to California and have a son.

But the drugs were still a 'hidden' problem.

So you might be seeing where this story leads but the real sad part is yet to come. I think it may be something you may never have expected.

Flash forward  .. Three years later. California.

The Sad Part  ......

[Necrosis]

I did read it Stunt, people were selling them and prescribing them incorrectly, that's being a terrible doctor not the drug. If they are giving out far to much, they should not be practicing. The company cares about selling the drug, it helps pain and is both physically and psychologically addictive. Anything that can be abused will, it's a sad reality, but those shit bags shouldn't stop the use of medications for people who really need it. There are people who take it just fine as needed.

The patient is also responsible for their health, if the prescription said as needed, and you take far to much, it's on you, an adult.

No one gets better or improves until they take responsibilty for their own health.

[Necrosis]

Drug addiction is a choice.

It takes dedicated effort to become addicted; a decision must be made every day, before every dose…. for as long as it takes to develop physical dependence.

So impulse control problems and compulsive drug use seen in OCD is a choice? What if it's all your mind will allow you to think about? all day long? how long could you resist the urge? it doesn't go away, that's the crux of the problem.

imagine your reward system was fucked up, nothing feels good, it's a chemical problem. The population with the highest rates of drug abuse are those with untreated ADHD, low dopamine, impaired reward (the nucleus accumbens in the brain controls this).

[stuntmovie]

NECROSIS, I am in total agreement with you. The 'pill' is not the culprit  here.

[WalterWhite]

The good old days.

[stuntmovie]

WALTER, You should add an old can of Coca-Cola to the above photos.

[WalterWhite]

WALTER, You should add an old can of Coca-Cola to the above photos.

[Disqus]

Alcohol is the most destructive "drug" in history. Should we bring back prohibition?

[Kim Jong Bob]

yes,today iI'm clean today,8mnths. I got into a long term program that slowly weans ppl off methadone, a blind detoxn
  It took me 4mnths to get off but the anxiety was too much so I was put on a low dose of suboxone, 8mgs and i just dropped to 6mgs.next week I'm going to 4mgs. I haven't had or felt the urge for anything illicit...so far. Give or take a drug dream here n there it's getting better. I have thought about writing a book detailing my having been on both sides of the fence so to say. From being involved in LE to the belly of the beast of heroin addiction. Knowing fully what the drug does to a person both physically and socially.
  By September I'll be completely off everything. As of now I'm still in the program and have been given certain privileges such as a phone,a small stipend job for a few months until I get approved for schooling and work.
  After my relapse in 2013 after having 5yrs clean it was impossible to stop on my own.no matter what i did or tried I couldn't shake the compulsion and urges to keep using. I'd cry as i was prepping my arms for the next fix,praying it was a "hot shot" to take me off the count.
  
  I'm so glad I started perusing the web again and found GB. As of now this is my main forum...the CNN of the bodybuilding lifestyle.

good fpr you just stay on this road.. Good luck

[Coffeed]

Alcohol is the most destructive "drug" in history. Should we bring back prohibition?

The original destructive drug was opium. Fact.

[Zillotch]

So impulse control problems and compulsive drug use seen in OCD is a choice?

imagine your reward system was fucked up, nothing feels good, it's a chemical problem.

Lack of self control and using drugs to the point of addiction are both choices.  

Blown 'reward system'?  Suck it up, or self medicate…. both choices.

[NelsonMuntz]

The good old days.

cocaine toothache drops, sounds like the original source of freebase ie crack

most people here have an opinion on addiction and I am trying to be tolerant, but as someone in sobriety myself I kind a wish that people would not just pigeonhole everyone who ends up addicted to something as weak. These days alot of the substances are prescribed for legit reasons which involve inhuman pain, and we are starting to see people who never had an addiction with anything in life for decades get hooked on pain pills for example.

Some of you naysayers better hope you never end up in some severe situation(accident, violence, injury, surgery) where you will be begging for something to take away the pain. You may find out just how "weak"  you are.

Not every addict is some bum out on the streets looking to rob and pillage.

I have a bit of a yes/no thing with the disease concept, but yeah, the addiction is not really the disease, as much as it becomes a mental and physical obsession

Never got into the pain pills and in fact after my jaw surgery and tumour removal in January they gave me prescription strength advil and 15 percs(which I have never taken) I used as directed, then just kept tylenol on hand after everything was done, but I can see how people could get hooked in more extreme pain cases than mine.