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Re: Trump: the implosion continues
« Reply #100 on: October 02, 2016, 11:10:51 AM »
  Can anyone here truly say they junk they know what trump will do?

You always attempt to do so.
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Re: Trump: the implosion continues
« Reply #101 on: October 02, 2016, 11:16:03 AM »
You always attempt to do so.

cause i dont think a tiger can change his stripes.

he's a lifetime liberal for 60 years, then this obama dude beats his wedding buddy, and suddenly he's the anti-obama voice.

i'm not buying it.  Trump's legacy will be a nice network, with his voice being 100x more influential on a daily basis than rush or anyone else, plus 8 years of clinton rule. 

i've said, on getbig, since 2011 that trump is a dem plant.  Seeing him this week - 5 days of slut shaming, fat shaming, and 3 am porno posts?   He keeps making my point over and over.

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« Reply #102 on: October 02, 2016, 11:17:14 AM »
cause i dont think a tiger can change his stripes.

he's a lifetime liberal for 60 years, then this obama dude beats his wedding buddy, and suddenly he's the anti-obama voice.

i'm not buying it.  Trump's legacy will be a nice network, with his voice being 100x more influential on a daily basis than rush or anyone else, plus 8 years of clinton rule. 

i've said, on getbig, since 2011 that trump is a dem plant.  Seeing him this week - 5 days of slut shaming, fat shaming, and 3 am porno posts?   He keeps making my point over and over.

 ;) Well, you better unite against him!
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Re: Trump: the implosion continues
« Reply #103 on: October 03, 2016, 09:45:58 AM »
I do not have a problem with the Commander in Chief committing adultery, because I am not his spouse. As for Article 134 in the military code. It is an archaic law. "You may be surprised to learn that adultery is not listed as an offense in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). The UCMJ is a federal law, enacted by Congress, to govern legal discipline and court martials for members of the armed forces. Articles 77 through 134 of the UCMJ encompasses the "punitive offenses" (these are crimes one can be prosecuted for). None of those articles specifically mentions adultery." https://www.thebalance.com/adultery-in-the-military-3354158

"In fact, court martial on adultery charges alone are almost unheard of....." http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2003/12/what_happens_to_cheating_soldiers.html


"The impeachment of Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, was initiated by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice, on December 19, 1998. The charges stemmed from his extramarital affair with former White House Intern Monica Lewinsky and his testimony about the affair during a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against him by Paula Jones. He was subsequently acquitted of these charges by the Senate on February 11, 1999. Two other impeachment articles – a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power – failed in the House." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

Dude.  Where are you getting your info?  Adultery is a crime in the military.  Countless service members have been punished for adultery. 

And I wasn't asking about you being his spouse.  I was asking about the hypocrisy of the Commander in Chief engaging in conduct that resulted in punishment for his subordinates. 

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Re: Trump: the implosion continues
« Reply #104 on: October 03, 2016, 09:54:17 AM »
Trump scrambling after tax discovery caps a week of ‘self-sabotage’
By Philip Rucker

Donald Trump is scrambling to rescue his campaign after a week in which the Republican nominee’s White House hopes were effectively set ablaze by his own erratic behavior and the discovery that he may not have paid federal income taxes for as many as 18 years.

Reeling from a New York Times report that Trump may have canceled out years of income taxes by declaring a $916 million loss on his 1995 return, his allies mounted a vigorous defense Sunday by arguing that the revelation was proof of the businessman’s ­“genius.”

With only five weeks until Election Day and voters in some states, including battleground Iowa, already beginning to cast ballots, Hillary Clinton and her campaign will labor this week to keep Trump in a downward trajectory.

But Trump hopes to recover by driving a contrast, starting Monday at campaign rallies in Colorado, between how he and Bill and Hillary Clinton made their fortunes. Trump plans to argue that he built a global real estate empire and employed thousands of people, while the Clintons got rich delivering paid speeches to financial institutions and other corporate interests, according to his aides.

“We’re going to shine the spotlight very brightly on how the Clintons made their money,” senior adviser Jason Miller said. “They were so broke when they left the White House that they couldn’t pay either of their mortgages, they haven’t invented anything, they haven’t won Powerball, they haven’t so much as billed a single hour of legal work, yet they’re worth a couple hundred million dollars.”

Asked about Trump’s plans to portray Clinton as a compromised multimillionaire, communications director Jennifer Palmieri laughed.

“He has a lot to answer for,” Palmieri said, alleging that Trump’s businesses have cheated contractors and outsourced jobs.

Clinton plans to deliver a sweeping economic address Monday in Toledo, where she is expected to highlight inherent unfairnesses in the economy that allow some businesses to take advantage of ordinary Americans. Clinton also will hold a town hall meeting Tuesday in the Philadelphia suburbs, where she and daughter Chelsea will make a pitch to female voters by touting child-care initiatives.

Clinton will get a lift from an array of star surrogates — including President Obama, first lady Michelle Obama and Sens. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) — who are fanning out across swing states in the South and industrial Midwest to solidify Clinton’s support among young and minority voters and convince anyone who is undecided that Trump is temperamentally unfit for office.

“Donald Trump’s campaign is showing all the signs of entering a spiral,” Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon said. “At a very critical stage in the campaign, he is making our own arguments for us about his lacking the temperament to be president. As he continues to lash out and go low, as he flails to keep things together, we are intending to focus on her affirmative vision.”

The Clinton team is taking little for granted, acknowledging that momentum could shift back in Trump’s favor. “We certainly are planning for that. We are not expecting that he stays in the frame of mind he was at 3:20 a.m. Friday,” Palmieri said, referencing an erratic series of overnight tweets by Trump last week.

On Tuesday night, the task of generating needed momentum for the Republican ticket will fall to Trump’s vice-presidential running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, who will debate Clinton’s running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.), for the first and only time at Longwood University in rural Farmville, Va.

But the only person who can resuscitate Trump’s candidacy is Trump. The proudly unpredictable and often undisciplined nominee had been surging in the polls last month and turned the race with Clinton into a dead heat, only to fall into what was perhaps the most difficult week of his general-election campaign.

Trump turned in a shaky debate performance, feuded for days with a Latina former beauty queen over her weight gain, slipped in national and state polls, fired off a series of middle-of-the-night Twitter tirades and speculated without evidence in a rambling speech Saturday night that Clinton may have cheated on her husband.

“What we’re seeing is somebody who’s blowing himself apart in real time,” said Peter Wehner, who served in the administrations of the last three Republican presidents and who opposes Trump. “It’s a pretty extraordinary thing to see. It’s a political death wish, as if at some deep level he doesn’t want to be president.”

Wehner added, “It’s gnawing on him that he could become what he has contempt for, and that is a loser.”

Mo Elleithee, a Democratic strategist who runs Georgetown University’s Institute of Politics and Public Service, said, “Political operatives and strategists are going to study this week for generations as the textbook case of self-sabotage.”

The best opportunity for Trump to rebound before a massive national audience is likely to be next Sunday, when he debates Clinton for the second of three times, at Washington University in St. Louis.

Ahead of the first debate, Trump refused to do mock debates and did not study as rigorously as Clinton. In preparation for the St. Louis debate, Trump has blocked off time in his schedule this week for preparation sessions.

Trump spent Sunday at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., huddling with former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and other advisers, as well as family. Over salads and sandwiches, they helped coach Trump on the town hall format in St. Louis, when unlike in the first debate the candidates will move freely onstage and field questions from voters in the audience.

“He’s in a good mood and feeling very comfortable,” Giuliani said of Sunday’s session.

The political talk shows Sunday were dominated by discussion of the Times report, based on portions of Trump’s 1995 tax returns mailed to the newspaper anonymously, that showed he may have taken advantage of special rules for real estate investors that legally allowed him to use his $916 million loss to offset $50 million a year in taxable income for as many as 18 years.

Trump’s year-by-year returns would show how much he paid in federal income taxes, but he has refused to release them. For four decades, all presidential nominees have released years’ worth of tax returns, including Clinton.

The Clinton team moved Sunday to exploit the tax discovery to underscore their central argument against Trump’s qualifications and temperament. Clinton officials argued that he took advantage of loopholes that ordinary workers cannot.

Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), who has sparred with Trump over his taxes and business record, issued a caustic statement on Sunday: “Trump is a billion-dollar loser who won’t release his taxes because they’ll expose him as a spoiled, rich brat who lost the millions he inherited from his father,” he said.

Trump’s leading surrogates, Giuliani and Christie, offered a different assessment. They said Trump’s avoidance of taxes demonstrated his business acumen and smarts. They did not dispute the Times’s findings, nor has Trump’s campaign.

“He’s a genius — absolute genius,” Giuliani said on ABC’s “This Week.” “This was a perfectly legal application of the tax code, and he would’ve been a fool not to take advantage of it.”

Christie, who chairs Trump’s presidential transition project, proclaimed on “Fox News Sunday” that “this is actually a very, very good story for Donald Trump.”

“What it shows is what an absolute mess the federal tax code is, and that’s why Donald Trump is the person best positioned to fix it,” the governor added. “There’s no one who’s showed more genius in their way to move around the tax code.”

Trump’s tax plan — which would cut rates for high-income people like him and eliminate the “carried interest” loophole that benefits hedge fund managers, among other things — does not address the rule he may have taken advantage of with his tax filings. He and his campaign have not said whether Trump plans to eliminate or change it.

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Re: Trump: the implosion continues
« Reply #105 on: October 04, 2016, 01:17:59 AM »
And he's still within the margin of error and leading in some swing states.

You said this 4 days ago.  Do you still feel the same?   IMHO, the LA times poll is starting to be 8 or 10 points off everyone else.. it's what rasmussen was in 2012... that one feel-good poll that was adored by millions on FOX and Drudge daily.   And wrong as shit. 

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« Reply #106 on: October 04, 2016, 10:50:26 AM »
Dude.  Where are you getting your info?  Adultery is a crime in the military.  Countless service members have been punished for adultery.  

And I wasn't asking about you being his spouse.  I was asking about the hypocrisy of the Commander in Chief engaging in conduct that resulted in punishment for his subordinates.  

I provided links for each of the quoted replies. Additionally, I checked with my son-in-law who held a command position and who is retired from the military. He confirmed that while adultery is a crime (Article 134), few are ever charged with it unless there are additional crimes involved.

You misinterpreted my reference to the spouse, which is probably a failure on my part because I didn't make it absolutely clear. What I should have wrote was that IMO adultery is primarily a matter between spouses, e.g. husband and wife. Contracts between employees and employers sometimes have morals clauses, i.e. the military.

This is the article adultery falls under:
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§934. Art. 134. General article

Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 76.)
Historical and Revision Notes Revised section   Source (U.S. Code)   Source (Statutes at Large)
934    50:728.    May 5, 1950, ch. 169, §1 (Art. 134), 64 Stat. 142.

The words “shall be” are inserted before the word “punished”.

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Re: Trump: the implosion continues
« Reply #107 on: October 04, 2016, 02:00:46 PM »
I provided links for each of the quoted replies. Additionally, I checked with my son-in-law who held a command position and who is retired from the military. He confirmed that while adultery is a crime (Article 134), few are ever charged with it unless there are additional crimes involved.

You misinterpreted my reference to the spouse, which is probably a failure on my part because I didn't make it absolutely clear. What I should have wrote was that IMO adultery is primarily a matter between spouses, e.g. husband and wife. Contracts between employees and employers sometimes have morals clauses, i.e. the military.

This is the article adultery falls under:
http://www.treningmozga.com/tests_iq_en/01_0001/pics/tests_iq_en_01_0001_30.png

§934. Art. 134. General article

Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 76.)
Historical and Revision Notes Revised section   Source (U.S. Code)   Source (Statutes at Large)
934    50:728.    May 5, 1950, ch. 169, §1 (Art. 134), 64 Stat. 142.

The words “shall be” are inserted before the word “punished”.

I clicked on the link you just posted and got nothing.

I know adultery is a crime in the military, which is what I said.  Article 134 has numerous offenses, including bribery, bigamy, writing bad checks, child endangerment, false swearing, etc.

Service members are punished for adultery all the time.  Oftentimes there are other acts of misconduct, but not always.  There is no blanket statement any person (including your son-in-law) can make about how service members are punished.  There can be big variations based on the who is in command from top to bottom.  Commanders have an enormous amount of discretion when it comes to discipline.  Unless the service member is high profile, the public isn't going to hear about the various forms of punishment being administered.   

If you actually look online, you can find numerous instances of service members being punished for adultery.  Here is one it took me about 30 seconds to find.  http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/25/local/la-me-ln-marine-adultery-20130425

Which brings me back to my original point about the hypocrisy and unfairness of a Commander in Chief engaging in conduct that his subordinates are punished for.   

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Re: Trump: the implosion continues
« Reply #108 on: October 06, 2016, 05:49:10 PM »
Adulterer vrs sexist.....I don't see where there is any connection. They are two entirely different things.

Some people see President Clinton's accomplishments as being completely separate from his philandering's. It makes me laugh when folks act offended by his sexual escapades.
Lol but they are part and parcel with trump? Sorry hildog you can't have it both ways.

An adulterer and sexist both mistreat women. You can get on trump for being a dick to what's her face and then act like billy isn't just as big of a dick of what he did.

I think it's funny when people silver line and excuse his shitty behavior and then excuse Hilary's looking past them to criticize trump for his treatment of women

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« Reply #109 on: October 07, 2016, 12:22:37 AM »
I clicked on the link you just posted and got nothing.

I know adultery is a crime in the military, which is what I said.  Article 134 has numerous offenses, including bribery, bigamy, writing bad checks, child endangerment, false swearing, etc.

Service members are punished for adultery all the time.  Oftentimes there are other acts of misconduct, but not always.  There is no blanket statement any person (including your son-in-law) can make about how service members are punished.  There can be big variations based on the who is in command from top to bottom.  Commanders have an enormous amount of discretion when it comes to discipline.  Unless the service member is high profile, the public isn't going to hear about the various forms of punishment being administered.   

If you actually look online, you can find numerous instances of service members being punished for adultery.  Here is one it took me about 30 seconds to find.  http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/25/local/la-me-ln-marine-adultery-20130425

Which brings me back to my original point about the hypocrisy and unfairness of a Commander in Chief engaging in conduct that his subordinates are punished for.   

Yes the person in the example you linked was punished. This "female Marine convicted of attempted adultery and lying to investigators got a letter of reprimand and the loss of $3,000 in pay."

Are you suggesting President Clinton should have been given a letter of reprimand plus a small fine? If I remember correctly, his accusers sought impeachment. Apparently people who likely have more legal expertise than you do, decided not to impeach President Clinton. -Don't think this is fair? Probably it isn't. Who gave you the impression that life is fair? Furthermore, your theory suggests that you believe Monica was completely truthful in testifying about this event. Don't be so naive.

Aside from you searching for validation via the internet, what personal experience do you have with regards to adultery and the military? Aside from President Carter, who said,  "I've committed adultery in my heart many times," can you name a President about who you have firsthand information regarding their sex lives that proves they never committed adultery?

What is more, what does President Clinton's past affairs have to do with this election? He is not the one seeking the Presidency.

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« Reply #110 on: October 07, 2016, 10:14:17 AM »
Yes the person in the example you linked was punished. This "female Marine convicted of attempted adultery and lying to investigators got a letter of reprimand and the loss of $3,000 in pay."

Are you suggesting President Clinton should have been given a letter of reprimand plus a small fine? If I remember correctly, his accusers sought impeachment. Apparently people who likely have more legal expertise than you do, decided not to impeach President Clinton. -Don't think this is fair? Probably it isn't. Who gave you the impression that life is fair? Furthermore, your theory suggests that you believe Monica was completely truthful in testifying about this event. Don't be so naive.

Aside from you searching for validation via the internet, what personal experience do you have with regards to adultery and the military? Aside from President Carter, who said,  "I've committed adultery in my heart many times," can you name a President about who you have firsthand information regarding their sex lives that proves they never committed adultery?

What is more, what does President Clinton's past affairs have to do with this election? He is not the one seeking the Presidency.

Wait.  So now you are trying to say the punishment the service member received wasn't severe?  You apparently don't know that a written reprimand can end a service member's career.  It can lead to an inability to get promoted, which can result in separation.  It can lead to an administrative separation regardless of whether it affects a promotion.  

In any event, my initial question, which you have tried to contort, is whether you have a problem when a Commander in Chief engages in conduct that his subordinates are punished for.  That punishment can range from an oral reprimand to jail.  Here is another example that took about an additional 30 seconds to find.  http://www.stripes.com/news/stuttgart-gi-is-jailed-discharged-for-adultery-1.47301  I'm sure I could find about 50 more, but I'm not going to waste my time.

And to recap, you are the one who tried to separate Clinton's screwing around from his official duties as president:

Adulterer vrs sexist.....I don't see where there is any connection. They are two entirely different things.

Some people see President Clinton's accomplishments as being completely separate from his philandering's. It makes me laugh when folks act offended by his sexual escapades.

What I have tried to help you understand is that his "philandering's" were not separate from his "accomplishments" as president, because he was Commander in Chief engaging in conduct that his subordinates were being punished for.  I realize now that you are a true believer and the facts don't matter to true believers.  I'm sorry I tried to help you.   :-\

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« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2016, 11:41:59 AM »
Very off topic, but I don't think that anyone's sexual escapades should be grounds for anything... Unless you can show that these escapades endangered the lives of the US Citizens or Military.

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« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2016, 12:05:02 PM »
Very off topic, but I don't think that anyone's sexual escapades should be grounds for anything... Unless you can show that these escapades endangered the lives of the US Citizens or Military.

I disagree, particularly when we're talking about people who hold public office.  I think it's reasonable to assume that a person being dishonest in their private life might be dishonest in their public life as well. 

And regarding Clinton, he brought that foolishness into the White House. 

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« Reply #113 on: October 07, 2016, 12:08:33 PM »
Didn't he (Clinton) lie about it, as well?

That was dumb.

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« Reply #114 on: October 07, 2016, 12:16:17 PM »
Didn't he (Clinton) lie about it, as well?

That was dumb.

To the public. 

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« Reply #115 on: October 07, 2016, 12:33:48 PM »

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« Reply #116 on: October 07, 2016, 12:37:16 PM »
I disagree, particularly when we're talking about people who hold public office.  I think it's reasonable to assume that a person being dishonest in their private life might be dishonest in their public life as well. 

Sexual harassment is always wrong, but there is no evidence that Clinton sexually harassed anyone while in the white house.  And it would not be cheating on your spouse if you've established ground rules ahead of time.  Many people have various forms of open relationships.

LBJ was supposedly the most sexually promiscuous president of modern times.

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« Reply #117 on: October 07, 2016, 12:37:32 PM »
Very off topic, but I don't think that anyone's sexual escapades should be grounds for anything... Unless you can show that these escapades endangered the lives of the US Citizens or Military.

good luck finding too many politicians today that aren't on wife #3, or who have a string of public affairs.

those are usually the ones screaming the loudest about it.   Newt impeaching clinton, while banging his own secratary.  Rudy on the news hating on the clinton's marriage when he's on #3.  Trump promising to talk shit about clinton's 41-year imperfect marriage when he's on #3 himself.

I don't understand why the audience doesn't stand there, mouths afar, then respond with "who the F are you to..."

It's like OJ giving a lesson on knife safety.  Sorry, you LOST the ability to throw that stone.

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« Reply #118 on: October 07, 2016, 12:58:17 PM »
Sexual harassment is always wrong, but there is no evidence that Clinton sexually harassed anyone while in the white house.  And it would not be cheating on your spouse if you've established ground rules ahead of time.  Many people have various forms of open relationships.

LBJ was supposedly the most sexually promiscuous president of modern times.

It was stupid (or worse) for him to get himself into a situation which he knew was going to cause him to lie.

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« Reply #119 on: October 07, 2016, 01:00:48 PM »
Let's not forget this is the guy who so freely lied about NAFTA.

He's a liar, IOW.  That's what he does.

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« Reply #120 on: October 07, 2016, 01:01:07 PM »
Sexual harassment is always wrong, but there is no evidence that Clinton sexually harassed anyone while in the white house.  And it would not be cheating on your spouse if you've established ground rules ahead of time.  Many people have various forms of open relationships.

LBJ was supposedly the most sexually promiscuous president of modern times.

LMFAO- GTFO   

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« Reply #121 on: October 07, 2016, 01:35:13 PM »
Wait.  So now you are trying to say the punishment the service member received wasn't severe?  You apparently don't know that a written reprimand can end a service member's career.  It can lead to an inability to get promoted, which can result in separation.  It can lead to an administrative separation regardless of whether it affects a promotion.  

In any event, my initial question, which you have tried to contort, is whether you have a problem when a Commander in Chief engages in conduct that his subordinates are punished for.  That punishment can range from an oral reprimand to jail.  Here is another example that took about an additional 30 seconds to find.  http://www.stripes.com/news/stuttgart-gi-is-jailed-discharged-for-adultery-1.47301  I'm sure I could find about 50 more, but I'm not going to waste my time.

And to recap, you are the one who tried to separate Clinton's screwing around from his official duties as president:

What I have tried to help you understand is that his "philandering's" were not separate from his "accomplishments" as president, because he was Commander in Chief engaging in conduct that his subordinates were being punished for.  I realize now that you are a true believer and the facts don't matter to true believers.  I'm sorry I tried to help you.   :-\

1. Show me where I wrote that this punishment wasn't severe.

2. Why bring up President Clinton's past behavior at this particular time? I fail to see how it is relevant.

3. Your assessment that facts don't matter to me is way off base. Most of my responses to you are quotes from other sources. If any of these "facts" are invalid, take issue with those who originally stated them. When I post a personal opinion, I identify it as such.

4. I did not solicit your help nor is it welcomed.

P.S. You did not answer the one question I asked you.

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« Reply #122 on: October 07, 2016, 01:37:58 PM »
LMFAO- GTFO   

LBJ did whip his dick out.

Didn't FDR die in his mistress's arms?

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« Reply #123 on: October 07, 2016, 01:40:31 PM »
;) Well, you better unite against him!


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« Reply #124 on: October 07, 2016, 01:41:03 PM »
LBJ did whip his dick out.

Didn't FDR die in his mistress's arms?


There is no EEOC, HR manual, labor handbook, etc - that says its ok for a 50 CEO to bang fat interns and shove cigars in their twats.