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Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« on: August 20, 2016, 02:35:57 PM »
http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

Whoops.  And before some foo jumps in to ask, yes it is still inaccurate, Trump's likely up much more and this doesn't show it because of inaccurate weighting of Ds and Independents in the likely voter model, but there is the trend. 

All likely voter polls on RCP since midJuly are either Trump winning, like this one, or within the MoE.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2016, 08:07:26 PM »
Let's see Hillary do this:


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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2016, 08:18:40 PM »
None of this shit means fuck-all, so sorry to say, unless it shows state-by-state.  They pull this shit every time.  That's how the big bluff with Romney happened.

I'll look again, but from what I saw it doesn't give a real breakdown.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2016, 08:23:50 PM »
RCP is a good place to go for polls
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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2016, 09:21:11 PM »
None of this shit means fuck-all, so sorry to say, unless it shows state-by-state.  They pull this shit every time.  That's how the big bluff with Romney happened.

I'll look again, but from what I saw it doesn't give a real breakdown.

State by state is fairly worthless also, at least now.  Those polls are mostly from weeks ago during a very volatile period.  Maybe if they conduct more frequently closer to the election there might be some value.  Also they need larger sample sizes and need to be likely voters.  No, everything is pretty shit right now except broad trends done daily on polls that use the same day by day methodology.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2016, 11:32:45 PM »
State by state is all that matters. 

Lol at your suddenly belief that polls are accurate.  Last week they were all bull. 

Trump will always have his 47 percent.  So will Hilary. 

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2016, 11:43:39 PM »
When money is bet, I notice people tend to hold right at 75 -25, say.  I don't know what "official" odds might be out there right at the moment.  It would be interesting to know, and I'll look tomorrow.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2016, 12:04:07 AM »
Didn't trump claim 80 million in donations in July?

Yes.  It was a lie. 
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-fundraising-july-2016-226615




Source: NBC News

The Republican presidential candidate raised $36.6 million in July, according to newly released filings to the Federal Election Committee. But that is $16 million less than his Democratic challenger for the month.

When fundraising by national parties and the super PACs backing the respective candidates are added to the total, team Clinton far outpaces team Trump.

The Democratic National Committee, Clinton and the super PAC backing Clinton, Priorities USA, raised a total of $94.5 million last month.

In comparison, the Republican National Committee, Trump and two super PACs backing Trump, brought in just two-thirds of the Democrats' total: $68.3 million in July.


Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-allies-outpace-team-trump-fundraising-n635346

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2016, 12:08:19 AM »
He's a billionaire, but Hillary has all the money.  That should tell you something, right there.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2016, 07:17:44 AM »
The LA Times poll is definitely showing a trend towards Trump now that he has had a week with nothing the media can pick on much.  Still up today and by more than yesterday.  If this is showing this lead, it means it is really a landslide.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2016, 07:26:01 AM »
The LA Times poll is definitely showing a trend towards Trump now that he has had a week with nothing the media can pick on much.  Still up today and by more than yesterday.  If this is showing this lead, it means it is really a landslide.

One poll at one point in time doesn't mean much.   You'll need to see a trend among all polls if something is really happening.

As you can see, the LA Time poll is an outlier right now.   But, this election has been nothing but sheer lunacy all around, so who knows what could happen?


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2016, 07:30:07 AM »
I called a bunch of Hillary supporters and asked who they would vote for and they said Hillary.

So my poll has Hillary winning.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2016, 09:25:30 AM »
I am thinking this election will have one of the lowest turnouts in years. Most people I talk to in real life say they are ready for it to be over. I actually saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Giant Meteor 2016: just get it over all ready".


I called a bunch of Hillary supporters and asked who they would vote for and they said Hillary.

So my poll has Hillary winning.

Why did you change your signature? I liked your old one.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2016, 09:26:44 AM »
One poll at one point in time doesn't mean much.   You'll need to see a trend among all polls if something is really happening.

As you can see, the LA Time poll is an outlier right now.   But, this election has been nothing but sheer lunacy all around, so who knows what could happen?


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Take a critical look at what you are posting and what do you notice?  Mostly old data.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2016, 01:04:28 PM »
Looking at how money's being put on the line is probably the surest way to detect the entirety of all info which will have or likely may have impact on the outcome.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=791149

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2016, 01:12:46 PM »
Didn't trump claim 80 million in donations in July?

Yes.  It was a lie. 
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-fundraising-july-2016-226615




Source: NBC News

The Republican presidential candidate raised $36.6 million in July, according to newly released filings to the Federal Election Committee. But that is $16 million less than his Democratic challenger for the month.

When fundraising by national parties and the super PACs backing the respective candidates are added to the total, team Clinton far outpaces team Trump.

The Democratic National Committee, Clinton and the super PAC backing Clinton, Priorities USA, raised a total of $94.5 million last month.

In comparison, the Republican National Committee, Trump and two super PACs backing Trump, brought in just two-thirds of the Democrats' total: $68.3 million in July.


Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-allies-outpace-team-trump-fundraising-n635346

Well...if politico and NBC said it, it must be true.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2016, 01:17:46 PM »
That Americans vote for a man of such low intelligence is hilarious.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2016, 03:16:46 PM »
That Americans vote for a man of such low intelligence is hilarious.

Nice sentence
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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2016, 06:06:03 PM »
That Americans vote for a man of such low intelligence is hilarious.

Yes, a low intelligence Billionaire.  Puhleeez.  Even if was true, it doesn't take much brains to realize flooding the country with more illegals is not a good idea.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2016, 06:16:59 PM »
Yes, a low intelligence Billionaire.  Puhleeez.  Even if was true, it doesn't take much brains to realize flooding the country with more illegals is not a good idea.

Yes, perhaps one of the world beaters who claim Trump is an idiot and unqualified can post a picture of one the buildings that they've built:


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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2016, 06:55:30 PM »
Coach, I'm a surprised a guy as enterprising as you wants to be within 10 feet of the average Trump voter.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2016, 09:50:05 PM »
Well...if politico and NBC said it, it must be true.

um, trump also said it.   trumps NEW numbers are 12 million shy of his bragged numbers.  Did you start a thread bragging about 80 or 90 million?     

You can accuse NBC of lies, but they link right to trump's 2 statements with 2 different numbers.

keep on attacking the media... worked out super well for President McCain and President Romney too!

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2016, 10:14:37 PM »
um, trump also said it.   trumps NEW numbers are 12 million shy of his bragged numbers.  Did you start a thread bragging about 80 or 90 million?     

You can accuse NBC of lies, but they link right to trump's 2 statements with 2 different numbers.

keep on attacking the media... worked out super well for President McCain and President Romney too!


You must be drunk.  Romney?  Yeah he never attacked shot and that was his problem.  Scared of speaking the truth to offend anyone.  If he had any balls he would have doubled down on the 47 percent comment and owned it saying Hell Yeah.  You've been owned all day long cause your girl Hillary is slipping.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2016, 10:31:35 PM »
http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

Whoops.  And before some foo jumps in to ask, yes it is still inaccurate, Trump's likely up much more and this doesn't show it because of inaccurate weighting of Ds and Independents in the likely voter model, but there is the trend. 

All likely voter polls on RCP since midJuly are either Trump winning, like this one, or within the MoE.

Actually, it's probably tilted to the republican... So says the LA times.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-polling-differences-20160809-snap-story.html

Using the 0-to-100 scale, however, almost certainly makes the Daybreak poll differ somewhat from other surveys. As with the bounce, any difference that results should shrink as election day gets closer and voters become more certain of their choices.

Finally, some analysts think the Daybreak poll is slightly tilted toward the Republican side because of how it accounts for the way people voted in the last election.

All pollsters weight their results somewhat to make sure their samples match known demographics — the right proportions of men and women, for example, or blacks, whites and Latinos.

The Daybreak poll goes a step further and weights the sample to account for how people say they voted in 2012: It’s set so that 25% of the sample are voters who say they cast a ballot for Mitt Romney and 27% for President Obama. The rest are either too young to have voted four years ago or say they didn’t vote.

The potential problem is that people tend to fib about how they voted. Polls have often found that the percentage of people who say after an election that they voted for the winner exceeds the winner’s actual vote.

If that’s the case this year, then weighting for the vote history would result in slightly too many Republican voters in the sample, which would probably boost Trump’s standing by a point or two.

Unfortunately, there’s no way to know for sure until we can compare the final vote to the poll’s final forecast. Given how long it takes to count all the votes, that answer won’t be available until at least a week after election day.

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Re: Trump back in lead in LA Times Poll
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2016, 02:14:34 AM »
Doesn't Hillary Clinton have a 75% chance of winning?