Trump vs Clinton rallies - lol!

[mass243]

Why o why in a country of +300 mil people couldnt you find better liked/charismatic potus candidates? With all do respect to both candidates, they are OLD and lack charisma, likability. Compared to Obama both are weak orators also. Serious question here, no putdown or trolljob.

Serious?
Trump is quite entertaining and definitely good speaker when he gets on roll. A showman.

[OB1]

Why o why in a country of +300 mil people couldnt you find better liked/charismatic potus candidates? With all do respect to both candidates, they are OLD and lack charisma, likability. Compared to Obama both are weak orators also. Serious question here, no putdown or trolljob.

The Elite is just trolling the masses using these tool puppets.

[Hack Benchers]

Serious?
Trump is quite entertaining and definitely good speaker when he gets on roll. A showman.

He is a showman for sure but he is not likable and charismatic in the sence of beeing sincere and trustworthy. Analyse his bodylanguage for example and the words and arguments/ phrases he uses. A strong leader can convince the masses without putting the opponent down. Putting others down just lowers the autority of a leader. But maybe this is just eurotrash talking nonsense

[Hack Benchers]

The Elite is just trolling the masses using these tool puppets.

Serious or tinfold hat?

[mass243]

He is a showman for sure but he is not likable and charismatic in the sence of beeing sincere and trustworthy. Analyse his bodylanguage for example and the words and arguments/ phrases he uses. A strong leader can convince the masses without putting the opponent down. Putting others down just lowers the autority of a leader. But maybe this is just eurotrash talking nonsense

No no, you are right on that one.

It just seems to be American culture that you loudmouth and talk trash about others. It's not just Hitlery and Trump... it's always like that when I follow American elections.

[OB1]

Serious or tinfold hat?

Just personal observation.

[240 is Back]

He is a showman for sure but he is not likable and charismatic in the sence of beeing sincere and trustworthy. Analyse his bodylanguage for example and the words and arguments/ phrases he uses. A strong leader can convince the masses without putting the opponent down. Putting others down just lowers the autority of a leader. But maybe this is just eurotrash talking nonsense

Obama ran on positivity - yes we can, change you can believe in.
Trump runs on negativity - make america great implies she isn't great today.

Nagativity will work on 44% of the people.  Positivity can work on 53% of the people.

Trump will get 44% of the popular vote.  Johnson will get his 2.7%, Jill will get less than 1%, and Hilary will get around 53%, same as obama.  

These things are very predictable.  People don't like hilary, they see her as lying and corrupt, but they see her as a continuation of obama, where things aren't going to change all that much.   Trump is a wildcard... for every truly awesome thing he says, there's also a "shit, he's just kidding, right?" moment that tags along with it.  He can't rule out using nukes in Europe.  What?  Really?  You either don't know the map of europe, or you don't know the effects of nukes.  If you knew both of them, you'd scoff at such a question.  The fact you even entertained it shows us you're unaware of one of those two things.

This will be 2012.  Not an average 2008 landslide, and by no means a 2000 squeaker.  I'll be sad to see the daily trump shitshow disappear when he loses, but people just don't have confidence in him to understand the things he needs for the job, or his ability to truly control himself.

[TheShape.]

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Trump is probably the most positive person on Earth right now, he knows how to fix problems and make deals, he's built a company worth billions of dollars and has worked with thousands of people. Up in till he ran for office, (and against the dems) he's been framed as this horrible person. It is just not true. I've heard a bunch of stories from people all over the world, myself included. We all have this great positive energy again, he gets us excited and motivated. That doesn't come from a negative person, believe me.

[240 is Back]

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Trump is probably the most positive person on Earth right now, he knows how to fix problems and make deals, he's built a company worth billions of dollars and has worked with thousands of people. Up in till he ran for office, (and against the dems) he's been framed as this horrible person. It is just not true. I've heard a bunch of stories from people all over the world, myself included. We all have this great positive energy again, he gets us excited and motivated. That doesn't come from a negative person, believe me.

The only "proof" we have of his success is his word.  You know that, right?

He tells us he is worth ten billion.  He said 8 billion a few months ago.  If trump truly earned 2 billion, WHILE RUNNING FOR POTUS, he is one of the smartest mofo's on this planet.   Or if he exaggerated by 2 billion, he's the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen.

Forbes has him at 3-5 billion, probably accurate.  The man lying about 5 billion extra dollars instantly crushes any 'business credibility' he claims.  Sorry, but grownups don't secretly add 5 billion to their value for bragging rights, then hide their income taxes behind flimsy excuses.  They don't...   I get it, you like trump, and I respect your choice.  But it's impossible to say a dude lying about 5 billion is someone we can trust with our national budget. 

[TheShape.]

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When you add every single asset. It is not hard to imagine he is worth nearly 10 billion. This is a guy who owns buildings, brands, golf courses, anything. All over the world. His businesses are doing very well, our country however is not. If this gigantic bubble pops, which I'm sure it will, all our currency will be absolutely worthless. 19 trillion is an almost unfathomable amount of money. 

[TuHolmes]

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When you add every single asset. It is not hard to imagine he is worth nearly 10 billion. This is a guy who owns buildings, brands, golf courses, anything. All over the world. His businesses are doing very well, our country however is not. If this gigantic bubble pops, which I'm sure it will, all our currency will be absolutely worthless. 19 trillion is an almost unfathomable amount of money. 

Not really, it's basically 1 year of the US GDP.

So when you think about it, it's kind of like a person who makes 100K a year, going in debt for a 100K house (roughly).

It's not that big of a number when you put it in perspective. What SHOULD be noted is that it shouldn't get much higher. By shouldn't, I mean if it (The debt) continues to grow at current pace, then it will BECOME a big problem.

[240 is Back]

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When you add every single asset. It is not hard to imagine he is worth nearly 10 billion. This is a guy who owns buildings, brands, golf courses, anything. All over the world. His businesses are doing very well, our country however is not. If this gigantic bubble pops, which I'm sure it will, all our currency will be absolutely worthless. 19 trillion is an almost unfathomable amount of money. 

Why can't FORBES get it accurate?   They do this for decades, they are very good at it.  and they're accidentally under-estimating the dude by 6 billion... the same dude with a handful of company bankruptcies who won't reveal records after claiming a 2 billion gain in just a few months?

If this wasn't a dude named trump... if this was joe blow, you would call bullshit on him.   If joe blow went to your bank and said "look, i know the paper value of my assets is 3 billion, but I kinda feel like I"m 8.... no, 10 billion..."  Would you give him a loan based upon a 10 billion value?  Of course not.

People are okay with him exaggerating by 5 or 6 billion.  That's borderline psychotic, IMO.  ANd yes, hilary is a pathological lying psycho too, I agree there.  Trump may be the lesser of the 2 evils, and I respect you if that's your belief.

but if you ran a bank, would you really trust trump - with no papers, no income forms, just his word of 8 growing to 10 in a few months... you'd trust that? 

[timfogarty]

When you add every single asset. It is not hard to imagine he is worth nearly 10 billion. This is a guy who owns buildings, brands, golf courses, anything.

If the mortgage on my $1 million home is $900k, I'm not a millionaire.

And his name on buildings and golf courses doesn't mean he owns them, or even has the mortgage on them.

[obsidian]

Obama ran on positivity - yes we can, change you can believe in.

And he delivered nothing. No hope, just change, bad change! Race relations are the worst ever. Healthcare is a mess. The National debit is now at 19.5 trillion! How much was it when he took office?? The infrastructure is crumbling.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Look, Obama is a puppet. He is by no means solely responsible for the mess the USA is in. But he certainly did not help things with his executive orders, biased race baiting and overall lack of leadership.

[240 is Back]

And he delivered nothing. No hope, just change, bad change! Race relations are the worst ever. Healthcare is a mess. The National debit is now at 19.5 trillion! How much was it when he took office?? The infrastructure is grumbling.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Look, Obama is a puppet. He is by no means solely responsible for the mess the USA is in. But he certainly did not help things with his executive orders, biased race baiting and overall lack of leadership.

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i'm not saying obama had a legit message.  I'm just saying negativity doesn't win the majority.  Nobody's debating hilary's message good or not - we're talking about how trump wins in 2016.   Positive wins.

[obsidian]

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i'm not saying obama had a legit message.  I'm just saying negativity doesn't win the majority.  Nobody's debating hilary's message good or not - we're talking about how trump wins in 2016.   Positive wins.

It does when the majority realize things are not as great. Hillary is saying nothing is wrong, everything is just perfect. Millions disagree with her. You can see this discontent on Social Media. The traditional mainstream outlets ignore it.

[240 is Back]

It does when the majority realize things are not as great. Hillary is saying nothing is wrong, everything is just perfect. Millions disagree with her. You can see this discontent on Social Media. The traditional mainstream outlets ignore it.

if you're in your 30s or older, then you remember this same discontent in 2000, in 2008, and in 2012.  People on social media today have opinions but spend most of their time reading news from facebook - which personalizes what they see based upon their preferences.  People don't see unbiased news, they see Breitbart and Blaze because they LIKE FOX news.  MSN and huff and sites that tell the other side are ignored.   

it's important to follow both sides, because both have legitimate points. 

[TuHolmes]

I was reading an article earlier today discussing how social media shows you what you already believe.

The people you follow or associate with on social media often have a similar mindset as you do. It warps your views of what is really going on in the world around you.

[Never1AShow]

If you think Hillary is going to get the same as Obama you are delusional.  Minority voters who showed for Obama are NOT excited by Hillary.  The youth were for Sanders, they developed a hatred for her during the primaries, they will stay home in drives also.  She also won't get the guilty white liberal vote Obama got.  Romney was a country club republican.

In this election the working class vote goes to Trump.

[240 is Back]

I was reading an article earlier today discussing how social media shows you what you already believe.

The people you follow or associate with on social media often have a similar mindset as you do. It warps your views of what is really going on in the world around you.

THIS.   Have you seen how people will defriend each other and trash lifelong relationships because one likes hilary and one likes trump?

2012 was vicious, and 2008 was worse. 

[240 is Back]

This would be true IF the opponent wasn't trump.  He's seen by many, true or not, as emotional and erratic and unprepared.

In this election the working class vote goes to Trump.

That WAS the case earlier in the summer.   Not anymore.

In 2012, Romney won 62 percent of noncollege-educated white voters. The latest NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed that Trump isn’t even winning a clear majority with the group, with just 49 percent backing him. A McClatchy/Marist poll puts him even lower, at 46 percent. This is a reversal from earlier in the summer, when Trump’s support among the group was in the 60s, higher than Romney’s, though not by leaps and bounds.

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/10/the-great-white-hype-no-one-is-energizing-the-white-working-class-not-even-donald-trump/


Plus... There were more than six million fewer white voters in 2012 than there were in 2008, accounting for population growth.   What's that number look like today? 

[MANGOOS]

Breitbart - the best news site ever.

[Rami]

What's wrong with white nationalist party? They represent their culture, their ethnicity and their future? You telling me nobody else does that? Since when is that bad or wrong.

Trump rally today in Mississippi.  What kind of election strategy is that?  Mississippi is not in play.  With UKIP's Nigel Farage (UKIP is the white nationalist party in the UK, not much different than appearing with David Duke).  When was the last time a foreign leader campaigned for a US presidential candidate ?  

[NordicNerd]

that's definitely a mini-seizure.   ..

I don't think it is anything like that. If you see the whole clip on youtube, the one where you see both Hilary and the reporter who asks a question, you can see that Hilary is startled by the shouting reporter and then makes these weird movements as a joke on her own startle response. She is fully conscious and coherent the whole time shown in the clip.

NN

[smoothasf]

As someone outside of the US.... why the hell are you voting for either,  OK they are mildly entertaining but neither should be allowed anywhere near a presidential office.  One is ignorant and the other medically crazy and a liar.