And I must add, Big Mike F. No Synthol, just top to bottom hard earned muscle! Calves to traps. He trained at my gym in San Diego one day... Man you see density in person that does not lend itself to pictures. He was insane! Density, with no oil! Well I think it was before Synthol was all the rage. In person, you could not believe him! Amazing functional muscle. His squats and dead lifts were a sight to be seen.