People Who Are Not Voting Trump...

[James]

As I asked. Do you buy American? I try to. Am I perfect, no, but I make every effort now.

Sam Walton dying had a huge impact on Wal-Mart changing their business model. If you read his book, you would see where his loyalties were.

Surely I can see where people would see issues with NAFTA, but I am not 100 percent convinced that the problems you see today are NAFTA related. Sure, having that as a policy gives a road, but greed is the ultimate cause of the loss of jobs.

Sam Walton was not greedy.

NAFTA was signed into law in 93, and that was the start of the end of the "Buy American", not in 92 when Sam Walton died, so if your not "100 percent convinced, then you are an idiot.

[TuHolmes]

NAFTA was signed into law in 93, and that was the start of the end of the "Buy American", not in 92 when Sam Walton died, so if your not "100 percent convinced, then you are an idiot.

Buying American is a responsibility of individuals. No one forces anyone to buy anything. People make choices.

You're basically saying that rich people have no choice but to go for the cheapest option possible. That's bullshit and you know it. Everyone has a choice.

If that's what you believe, then you're the idiot.

[James]

Buying American is a responsibility of individuals. No one forces anyone to buy anything. People make choices.

You're basically saying that rich people have no choice but to go for the cheapest option possible. That's bullshit and you know it. Everyone has a choice.

If that's what you believe, then you're the idiot.

Trump is a business man selling a product (ties, apartment building, commercial space) he is in heavy competition and if all of his competitors are buying lower cost product from other countries to use or sell and he doesn't then he wont be in businesses for long, Economics 101.

So what I am saying is your trashing of trump in this thread for simply following the law of the land that the Clinton's passed into law is as absurd as one can get, unless you are an idiot, or a liberal, which to be honest is really the same thing.

[Soul Crusher]

Buying American is a responsibility of individuals. No one forces anyone to buy anything. People make choices.

You're basically saying that rich people have no choice but to go for the cheapest option possible. That's bullshit and you know it. Everyone has a choice.

If that's what you believe, then you're the idiot.

What does that mean though - say someone buys a Honda - Japanese Car right?  But who is employed in the shipping, the advertising, the dealership, not all parts are made in japan, the repair and service shop, etc?

So for a "japanese car" - a hell of a lot of Americans are employed.

[TuHolmes]

Trump is a business man selling a product (ties, apartment building, commercial space) he is in heavy competition and if all of his competitors are buying lower cost product from other countries to use or sell and he doesn't then he wont be in businesses for long, Economics 101.

So what I am saying is your trashing of trump in this thread for simply following the law of the land that the Clinton's passed into law is as absurd as one can get, unless you are an idiot.

I'm not trashing Trump beyond a realistic premise that he made choices to go cheap and not good.

Quality costs. If the US makes better products (and it does), and a person chooses to be cheap, that is an individual choice.

I find it interesting that you say economics 101 when there are many people who choose to deal in American only companies and they do just fine and haven't had their companies file for bankruptcy.

All of those short cuts really didn't do a lot for Trumps employees or companies. They did do great for him individually of course.

[Skeletor]

What does that mean though - say someone buys a Honda - Japanese Car right?  But who is employed in the shipping, the advertising, the dealership, not all parts are made in japan, the repair and service shop, etc?

So for a "japanese car" - a hell of a lot of Americans are employed.

The Toyota Camry and Honda Accord are actually more American (in design, materials, manufacturing, R&D) than many supposed "American" cars.

[TuHolmes]

What does that mean though - say someone buys a Honda - Japanese Car right?  But who is employed in the shipping, the advertising, the dealership, not all parts are made in japan, the repair and service shop, etc?

So for a "japanese car" - a hell of a lot of Americans are employed.

That's a fair point and I don't disagree, but if those Honda buyers were instantly Ford buyers, those jobs wouldn't go away, they would just be a doggie rent company.

Ford.

Also. The money from taxes and executive pay and their taxes would stay in the US as opposed to being sent to Japan or whatever.

Not that I have a problem with the Japanese. They are good by me.

[James]

I'm not trashing Trump beyond a realistic premise that he made choices to go cheap and not good.

Quality costs. If the US makes better products (and it does), and a person chooses to be cheap, that is an individual choice.

I find it interesting that you say economics 101 when there are many people who choose to deal in American only companies and they do just fine and haven't had their companies file for bankruptcy.

All of those short cuts really didn't do a lot for Trumps employees or companies. They did do great for him individually of course.

And please tell us what product the Clinton's make or sell?

[James]

Also. The money from taxes and executive pay and their taxes would stay in the US as opposed to being sent to Japan or whatever.

Nice to see you agree with Trump. So you could vote for him and let him re-do our trade agreements.

[TuHolmes]

And please tell us what product the Clinton's make or sell?

Not a thing.

I'm not really sure what their lack of production of product has to do with Trump being a hypocrite (In my opinion). Are you trying to get me to defend Hillary or Bill Clinton?

That's not happening.

[James]

Not a thing.

I'm not really sure what their lack of production of product has to do with Trump being a hypocrite (In my opinion). Are you trying to get me to defend Hillary or Bill Clinton?

That's not happening.

The Clinton's passed NAFTA into Law which really killed the "Buy American' that you are so much for, yet not a complaint from you, And then you come down on Trump for buying product from another country and for what he didn't do for employees or companies but for himself instead, yet the Clinton's have amassed a net worth to what some say is close to 100 million dollars, yet neither have made or legally sold a product ever for or to the consumer,  concluding all they do is do for themselves. (of course they do allot for the rich people and foreign governments who bought favor from them) but yet you trash Trump on here, showing who and what you really are.

[OzmO]

You posted "some" of the products you buy.....That shows you don't support small businesses. Only when convenient. Why not all?

My reason might relevant if i was running for president.  But i am not.  My point is, my support of small business is not just lip service while his appears to be.

As president he can at least try and has much more power to make a difference then he does now.

Honestly, I am messing a bit but I respect a lot of what he says/agree with a lot and if he follows through he would be a good president and what we need over the current crop of politicians. Once again, that is "if" he sticks to what he says.

I do not hold it against him that he tried to make money. He is on record as going to refuse the pay for being president. I doubt Hillary would do that.

he can try, but its not going to happen.  He's in many ways alienated himself from the very party that nominated him and then there's the democrats, like he's going to get anything done?  doubt it.  And actual reality hits, not reality TV, who knows what will happen?

He's a piece of trash running against a pile of shit.

[TuHolmes]

The Clinton's passed NAFTA into Law which really killed the "Buy American' that you are so much for, yet not a complaint from you, And then you come down on Trump for buying product from another country and for what he didn't do for employees or companies but for himself instead, yet the Clinton's have amassed a net worth to what some say is close to 100 million dollars, yet neither have made or legally sold a product, concluding all they do is do for themselves. (of course you say they do allot for the rich people and foreign governments who bought favor from them.) but yet you trash trump non stop on here, showing who and what you really are.

I actually don't "trash trump non stop".

Most of my posts are quite in the middle.

Yes, I come down on Trump. I can come down on the Clinton's too. Did I say NAFTA was good? Nope. It's certainly not good.

Do I think Trump will repeal it? Nope, because he will continue to want to do things as cheap as possible. What you are failing to do is realize that you have been duped. Is Hillary a Liar? Probably, but she's a politician so you know it's lies.

Trump has you convinced that his rich self isn't a part of the establishment... That's a farce. He is as lock step with the establishment as anyone, but he's found ways to convince voters otherwise.

Trump doesn't give a shit about you, just like Hillary doesn't, so I recommend you stop looking for a savior. It isn't going to happen.

That's the real difference, you are one of these types that says "If you're not with Trump, you must be with Hillary."

I can guarantee you that I will not be voting for either one, because I don't believe either of them to be worth a shit.

I post more about Trump probably because he's the one who daily has something new come out. We know Hillary's dirt, she's been one of the most hated public figures for 30 years now. At this point, I have to admire her toughness. The woman, while possibly being a piece of shit, is as teflon as they come.

[James]

I actually don't "trash trump non stop".

Most of my posts are quite in the middle.

Yes, I come down on Trump. I can come down on the Clinton's too. Did I say NAFTA was good? Nope. It's certainly not good.

Do I think Trump will repeal it? Nope, because he will continue to want to do things as cheap as possible. What you are failing to do is realize that you have been duped. Is Hillary a Liar? Probably, but she's a politician so you know it's lies.

Trump has you convinced that his rich self isn't a part of the establishment... That's a farce. He is as lock step with the establishment as anyone, but he's found ways to convince voters otherwise.

Trump doesn't give a shit about you, just like Hillary doesn't, so I recommend you stop looking for a savior. It isn't going to happen.

That's the real difference, you are one of these types that says "If you're not with Trump, you must be with Hillary."

I can guarantee you that I will not be voting for either one, because I don't believe either of them to be worth a shit.

I post more about Trump probably because he's the one who daily has something new come out. We know Hillary's dirt, she's been one of the most hated public figures for 30 years now. At this point, I have to admire her toughness. The woman, while possibly being a piece of shit, is as teflon as they come.

Trump was not my first choice, he wasn't my second choice either, I was for Cruz, and no one on here supported Cruz more than me, go back and read all of the post I made in support of Cruz, but most didn't agree with me so Cruz is out and its either Trump or Hillary.  I believe Trump is the better of the 2 bad choices and have stated this on here numerous times. Hillary would be the most corrupt person to ever be in the White House. She has left a big pile of shit everywhere she goes, from stealing furniture out of the WhiteHouse when they left in 2000, to telling the public that Benghazi was because of a youtube video while at the very same time emailing her daughter that is was a terrorist attack, to deleting and bleaching emails after getting a subpoena to turn it over, to laughing about how the rapist she got a lower sentence for passed a lie detector test, to personally collecting millions and millions from foreign governments and individuals for pay-to-play favors while she was Secretary, she is scum and she is a criminal, and no one believes they are above the law more than her, and anyone who could admire her is in need of mental help.

[Nick Danger]

Somewhat disingenuous pretext to blame Trump for following the law that the Clinton's put into law, and it wasn't as much the death of Sam Walton, but rather the implementation of NAFTA that was signed on December 8, 1993, by President Bill Clinton (you know, the husband to Hillary Clinton) that ended the "Buy American", as NAFTA not only opened doors to trade arrangements with Canada and Mexico but also helped countries like China and others to sell Americans cheaply made products at stores like Wal-Mart and Target.

Clinton signed NAFTA  but it was George Sr who first proposed it with Mexico, he just ran out of time. NAFTA would have passed no matter who won the election.

[James]

Clinton signed NAFTA  but it was George Sr who first proposed it with Mexico, he just ran out of time. NAFTA would have passed no matter who won the election.

Yep, the very same George Sr who is voting for Hillary.

[Las Vegas]

Yep, the very same George Sr who is voting for Hillary.

Damn good point.

[Las Vegas]

Blacks should have dropped the Clintons like a burnt match.  Crazy to think Hillary would get a single vote from them, after Bill and NAFTA.

[James]

Damn good point.

both the Clinton's and the Bush's are Globalist, and birds of a feather stick together...

Just another good reason to vote for Trump.

[Nick Danger]

Yep, the very same George Sr who is voting for Hillary.

If it makes you feel any better, it was Reagan's dream.

[James]

If it makes you feel any better, it was Reagan's dream.

yep you thought you scored a point with your post about George Sr above didn't you?  LOL
Reagan also signed into law amnesty, he later said it was on of his biggest regrets.

[Las Vegas]

Fucking clown.

[Nick Danger]

yep you thought you scored a point with your post about George Sr above didn't you?  LOL
Reagan also signed into law amnesty, he later said it was on of his biggest regrets.

Just keeping the facts straight...You singled out Clinton.

[Las Vegas]

Just keeping the facts straight...You singled out Clinton.

Clinton was the one who put his filthy signature on it.

Maybe the fact he was trusted to act like what we'd expect from a democrat (back then), is what makes it all the worse, so maybe that's a good point.  A Bush etc. would be expected to burn ordinary Americans at the first opportunity, but Clinton was trusted (wrongly, as it turned out) to protect them.

[Nick Danger]

Clinton was the one who put his filthy signature on it.

Maybe the fact he was trusted to act like what we'd expect from a democrat (back then), is what makes it all the worse, so maybe that's a good point.  A Bush etc. would be expected to burn ordinary Americans at the first opportunity, but Clinton was trusted (wrongly, as it tuned out) to protect them.

Check your history, it was the Republicans who voted it in.