Starved myself with no training for 2 months, went down to 230 pounds then went back in gym and blew up in 2 weeks, black and white photos rivaling any pro at 280 pounds off-season!!! Yeah buddy!!! Notice no gut, abs in chest sticking out over stomach for all you professional typist, always here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum!!!