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Re: Woman attacks man, man defends himself, woman now fighting for her life
« Reply #150 on: November 05, 2016, 07:04:39 PM »
This one in Minnesota is different. That guy staged some of the crime scene, administered coup-de-grace type shots after they were no threat, etc....

This fellow in Jersey is getting yelled at, and perhaps a slap on the wrist for leaving the scene. If they offer up anything harder, they'll drop it soon afterward.

She hit him first, he hit her back. It falls within NJ's guidelines for self defense. The duty of retreat thing doesn't come in to play here, as that is only a really big factor in deadly force scenarios. I'm sure he'll argue that he didn't consider the punch to be "deadly force", only what was reasonable to repel the attack, done without malice, and her hitting her head was an unforeseeable accident stemming from her attack.

It just won't be 2 years. His lawyer may make him make a plea deal, but if it goes to court and hes found guilty, he will probably do more than 2 years. I am not saying he will do 50 years, but he will do more than 2. Mark my words. If I am wrong, I will admit it!  :) :)
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« Reply #151 on: November 05, 2016, 07:11:33 PM »
It just won't be 2 years. His lawyer may make him make a plea deal, but if it goes to court and hes found guilty, he will probably do more than 2 years. I am not saying he will do 50 years, but he will do more than 2. Mark my words. If I am wrong, I will admit it!  :) :)

Guy on that Facebook post seems to know his nj law.


Justi Carr Chuck Lerant I can see that someone here took the 50 cent law classes instead of the full priced ones. The man did attempt to retreat, as clearly showed in the video; the female continued towards him while he was backing away and hit him in the face. His response to was to hit her exactly once.

The duty to retreat deals with use of deadly force (it's even put in its very own subsection of the statute, subsection 'b', which reads "Limitations on justifying necessity for use of force".

Reading down the statute, one finds subsection (2), which deals with use of deadly force. The duty to retreat is in (2)(b) and reads, "The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take..."

Here "such force" refers to the type of force that is being discussed in that section, which is deadly force. And in any event, the obligation does not lie unless the person knows he can withdraw in complete safety. He attempted to withdraw and female pursued him and hit him while he was making such attempt. So, even if the duty to retreat were to lie outside of deadly force situations, being attacked while attempting to withdraw is a sufficient ground upon which to use force in response because one then knows he cannot withdraw "in complete safety".

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« Reply #152 on: November 05, 2016, 07:40:48 PM »
Well, it also depends on the outcome. If she dies, trust me, he will be found guilty (or will plead out or something). Furthermore, I do not know how a jury will 100% perceive it. However, we knows how society views such situations. Do you really think if she dies, he is not going to either plead out or be convicted? lol haha. Oh boy. This happened in NEW JERSEY, NOT Texas or Arkansas. You obviously do not know the distinct local cultures by state.

Hell, in NYC, a robber tried to enter a MANS HOME and he shoots intruder and is charged with manslaughter (story can be found on google). And you actually think a women hitting a man in the face, and him laying her out, and if she dies, he won't be convicted?  ::) ::)

Now this is New Jersey, which states: the amount of force which the defendant uses must be necessary – this defense is unavailable if the actor is unreasonable in his belief about the amount of force necessary and if acting on this unreasonable belief the actor uses an excessive amount of force.

I can guarantee you a Jersey Jury will not believe the force was necessary, especially after viewing her hospital and funeral pictures.

If she got up and walked away after being knocked out, there would be no charges and it would be seen as self defense. If it was a guy who hit first and the girl knocked the guy out, 99% of the people including judges would say "you got what you deserved". Her being a girl doesn't change anything in the eyes of the court. Her being on life support does. It's only because she got hurt  why he's in deep shit. If a guy pushed him and he knocked the guy out and the guy was on life support, he'd be in deep shit. Even if didn't plea and the jury found him not guilty, he'd be sued in a civil case and lose big...It's her getting hurt that changes it all. Hell even if he pushed her and didn't hit her and she fell back and hit her head he'd be fucked in a civil case.

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« Reply #153 on: November 05, 2016, 07:45:53 PM »
If she got up and walked away after being knocked out, there would be no charges and it would be seen as self defense. If it was a guy who hit first and the girl knocked the guy out, 99% of the people including judges would say "you got what you deserved". Her being a girl doesn't change anything in the eyes of the court. Her being on life support does. It's only because she got hurt  why he's in deep shit. If a guy pushed him and he knocked the guy out and the guy was on life support, he'd be in deep shit. Even if didn't plea and the jury found him not guilty, he'd be sued in a civil case and lose big...It's her getting hurt that changes it all. Hell even if he pushed her and didn't hit her and she fell back and hit her head he'd be fucked in a civil case.

So basically you can only defend yourself if you know your not going to cause any damage. Regardless of the fact someone is standing in front of you threatening your life...

What if her first punch knocked him to the ground, he hit his head & died  ??? That is a real possibility that it could have happened.

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« Reply #154 on: November 05, 2016, 07:46:41 PM »
Just had a thought, New Jersey...Harley Braite?

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« Reply #155 on: November 05, 2016, 08:14:18 PM »
Let's say this is what happened - A bunch of drunk guys calling her a whore instigating it. She loses it and goes to hit one of them. The guy knocks her out. I can't side with the guy, it wasn't handled right. He knows it too that's why he's hiding from the cops.

So what your saying that Guys are supposed to show restraint, but women don't need to.

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« Reply #156 on: November 05, 2016, 08:15:19 PM »
So basically you can only defend yourself if you know your not going to cause any damage. Regardless of the fact someone is standing in front of you threatening your life...

What if her first punch knocked him to the ground, he hit his head & died  ??? That is a real possibility that it could have happened.

Ya I agree. There's case after case where two drunk guys fight outside of a bar where one guy ends up all fucked up or even dead from one punch. Even when the guy who fucked up the other wasn't the first guy to throw the punch. The guy who did the damage gets fucked over. A lawyer will use words like "mutual combat" but when someone is messed up, the court almost always makes someone pay for it. It sucks that the court system is like that but it is what it is...When a person fights even protect yourself in some cases, it really is the luck of the draw that the other person doesn't hit their head and die or get really hurt and you end up fucked because of it. If there are guys out there that like to fight, you'd be better off to keep a pocket knife in your sock and slice yourself with it after you knock someone out and tell the cops he pulled it on you and cut you. oh and don't forget to wipe your prints from the knife  ;)

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Re: Woman attacks man, man defends himself, woman now fighting for her life
« Reply #157 on: November 05, 2016, 08:19:03 PM »
So what your saying that Guys are supposed to show restraint, but women don't need to.

It's a chance a guy takes. If she would have gotten up and walked away and wasn't hurt, There wouldn't be any changes coming his way imop. Regardless of the punch he threw. It would be a self defense type thing. But when she got hurt it changes everything...He'll be fucked in a civil case regardless of any charges he may face...

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« Reply #158 on: November 05, 2016, 08:41:33 PM »
That kid who did the throw on a girl.. that was fucking great.  Made his point and got away with it.  You're asking for trouble hitting a girl in the head.  Hit her anywhere else, if you have to.





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« Reply #159 on: November 05, 2016, 08:58:52 PM »
That kid who did the throw on a girl.. that was fucking great.  Made his point and got away with it.  You're asking for trouble hitting a girl in the head.  Hit her anywhere else, if you have to.


Hit her anyone where other than the face & it's sexual assault. Hit her in the face & your in jail for life. It's a massive Win win for men.

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Re: Woman attacks man, man defends himself, woman now fighting for her life
« Reply #160 on: November 06, 2016, 01:40:05 AM »

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« Reply #161 on: November 06, 2016, 01:02:56 AM »
lmao at he facebook comments


lots of Virgins on there trying to get laid by sticking up for women

if he doesnt get off with this the courts are setting a precedent that women can hit men with impunity

that wont happen
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« Reply #162 on: November 06, 2016, 02:42:49 AM »
It's case closed in your mind, but that is not how the jury will see it. Answer me this: If it is that cut and dry, then why did a man receive a manslaughter charge when he killed a MAN ENTERING his home (happened last year). Yes, a man entered a guys home, the guy shot the intruder, and guy was charged with manslaughter. And this guy was protecting himself and family. And you think this kid is going to get a slap on the wrist because she hit him in the face first? haha lol. Heck, as I stated before, in NYC youre charged with murder when you kill an intruder, until proven it was 100% self-defense. Again, you think hes only going to get 2 years because she hit him in the face?  ??? ??? ???

Either way, the jury will not see how you're seeing it. Again, this happened in the NorthEast, not in the South. It's way different in the South than in the Northeast. You europeans do not get how much different this stuff is between states.

Edit: 1-2 years ago, some old dude shot and killed two teenagers who entered his home. He got LIFE in prison and these 2 kids were going to rob his home. And you think that hes going to get 2 years if he killed her because she hit him in the face? ahaha lol. The logic on getbig is astounding. Again, its not so cut and dry with your "case closed."

LITTLE FALLS, Minn. — A Minnesota homeowner who killed two teens during a break-in was convicted Tuesday of premeditated murder and will spend his life in prison without parole.

Bryon Smith, 65, had claimed he was defending himself during the break-in at his home in this city of about 8,000 on Thanksgiving Day 2012.
you dont have any idea how the legal system works...

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« Reply #163 on: November 06, 2016, 02:44:03 AM »
Guy on that Facebook post seems to know his nj law.


Justi Carr Chuck Lerant I can see that someone here took the 50 cent law classes instead of the full priced ones. The man did attempt to retreat, as clearly showed in the video; the female continued towards him while he was backing away and hit him in the face. His response to was to hit her exactly once.

The duty to retreat deals with use of deadly force (it's even put in its very own subsection of the statute, subsection 'b', which reads "Limitations on justifying necessity for use of force".

Reading down the statute, one finds subsection (2), which deals with use of deadly force. The duty to retreat is in (2)(b) and reads, "The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take..."

Here "such force" refers to the type of force that is being discussed in that section, which is deadly force. And in any event, the obligation does not lie unless the person knows he can withdraw in complete safety. He attempted to withdraw and female pursued him and hit him while he was making such attempt. So, even if the duty to retreat were to lie outside of deadly force situations, being attacked while attempting to withdraw is a sufficient ground upon which to use force in response because one then knows he cannot withdraw "in complete safety".

I have already explained the retreat law to him, he just ignores facts and keeps spouting opinions.

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Re: Woman attacks man, man defends himself, woman now fighting for her life
« Reply #164 on: November 06, 2016, 02:46:38 AM »
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« Reply #165 on: November 06, 2016, 02:47:11 AM »
I saw an episode of Judge Judy the other week where a woman claimed a man hit after she hit him
She said "so what, dont put your hands on anyone and you wont get hit, what did you expect?"

We need more judges like that

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« Reply #166 on: November 06, 2016, 03:22:07 AM »
So what your saying that Guys are supposed to show restraint, but women don't need to.

Wrong kind of restraint. This girl isn't intimidating. Plus if you are instigating it you should expect something. And why is he hiding from the cops.

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« Reply #167 on: November 06, 2016, 03:45:25 AM »
Wrong kind of restraint. This girl isn't intimidating. Plus if you are instigating it you should expect something. And why is he hiding from the cops.
He has read Board Sheriffs posts

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Re: Woman attacks man, man defends himself, woman now fighting for her life
« Reply #168 on: November 06, 2016, 04:55:15 AM »
Yeah she's definitely hittable.....as the video shows.
^^^^^^^^^ hahaha well done

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« Reply #169 on: November 06, 2016, 04:56:22 AM »
^^^^^^^^^ hahaha well done

She's a knockout.

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Re: Woman attacks man, man defends himself, woman now fighting for her life
« Reply #170 on: November 06, 2016, 05:49:36 AM »
If you hit someone, you should expect to get hit back.

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« Reply #171 on: November 06, 2016, 02:24:56 PM »
this is why so many "ladies" don't act like a lady

it's "never" their fault, the law protects them along with countless white knights

if you are prepared to throw a punch you should be prepared to take a punch

the only time a violent scumbag isn't prepared to take a punch is when they believe the other person won't hit back

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Re: Woman attacks man, man defends himself, woman now fighting for her life
« Reply #172 on: November 06, 2016, 05:01:43 PM »
Wrong kind of restraint. This girl isn't intimidating. Plus if you are instigating it you should expect something. And why is he hiding from the cops.

Who knows why he was hiding from the cops. Could be that the girl has a cousin, a brother or a father that was a cop. Probably why the girl felt she could go around and put her hands on people. There's always more to these kinds of stories. After watching the video again it said "the uncle has guardianship over the teen girl". That right there tells you she's probably a bad apple. Family doesn't even want her. Also even though the guy hit her with a right hand that was fully extended, it doesn't look like he put everything into it. Kind of a lazy right cross. A punch that looks worse than it actually was because she has a glass jaw and fell like a stone.

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« Reply #173 on: November 06, 2016, 05:19:21 PM »
Who knows why he was hiding from the cops. Could be that the girl has a cousin, a brother or a father that was a cop. Probably why the girl felt she could go around and put her hands on people. There's always more to these kinds of stories. After watching the video again it said "the uncle has guardianship over the teen girl". That right there tells you she's probably a bad apple. Family doesn't even want her. Also even though the guy hit her with a right hand that was fully extended, it doesn't look like he put everything into it. Kind of a lazy right cross. A punch that looks worse than it actually was because she has a glass jaw and fell like a stone.

It's an interesting case, we'll see what happens

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Re: Woman attacks man, man defends himself, woman now fighting for her life
« Reply #174 on: November 06, 2016, 05:51:47 PM »
Ya I agree. There's case after case where two drunk guys fight outside of a bar where one guy ends up all fucked up or even dead from one punch. Even when the guy who fucked up the other wasn't the first guy to throw the punch. The guy who did the damage gets fucked over. A lawyer will use words like "mutual combat" but when someone is messed up, the court almost always makes someone pay for it. It sucks that the court system is like that but it is what it is...When a person fights even protect yourself in some cases, it really is the luck of the draw that the other person doesn't hit their head and die or get really hurt and you end up fucked because of it. If there are guys out there that like to fight, you'd be better off to keep a pocket knife in your sock and slice yourself with it after you knock someone out and tell the cops he pulled it on you and cut you. oh and don't forget to wipe your prints from the knife  ;)

Happened to a guy who works for mes brother. He threw a dude down in a fight and gave him a basal skull fracture and died. He's in jail now and will be for a long time.