Brutal Climate Change beat down....

[Darren Avey]

Brilliant. He owned that bitch. She needs a good shafting to knock some sense into her.

[Neptune100]

We're all gonna die and the world is gonna be eaten by the sun in 100 million years...sweet so lets just trash the place and screw the next guy up.

[tommywishbone]

I'm buying a sweater, just in case.

[Coach is Back!]

I'm buying a sweater, just in case.

Christmas is coming. What size do you wear

[Erik C]

The difference between the climate changes that happened in prehistoric times and the climate change that is happening now is that the changes in prehistoric times happened over thousands of years, and the changes we are seeing now are happening in less than a century.

He wasn't talking about prehistoric times. The Medieval Warming Period was only a thousand years ago. The glaciers in Greenland virtually disappeared, the Vikings colonized it, and there was plenty of grassland for their animals. In Britain, they were growing excellent grapes, and they were exporting wine to France! Couple of hundred years later, there was the Little Ice Age. The glaciers in Greenland, grew quickly, and pushed the Vikings into the sea, and the grape crop in Britain, ceased
to exist, as the Thames river froze solid.

There wasn't any burning of oil in either case, that caused those recent climate changes. The Earth's climate changes all the time, and mankind has nothing to say about it. Historically, the Medieval Warming Period is referred to as the Medieval Climate Optimum, because it was so favorable to mankind. And back then, only a thousand years ago, the average temperature was higher than it is now, and even higher than it will be in a hundred years from now, in the bogus computer models, that so called "scientists" are trying to palm off on us.

The Global Warming, Climate Change, has been a scam from the beginning. Just another socialist money grab, to redistribute wealth from the First World, to the Turd World.

[Neptune100]

Just another socialist money grab, to redistribute wealth from the First World, to the Turd World.

Yup, it has to do with the hippies trying to bank off all the hard working people, and nothing to do with the past several hundreds years and rapid rise of the human population/ tremendous energy expenditure over that time. 

The argument of the earth warming and cooling over thousands/millions of years, "so whats the big deal? "falls short of the actual issue.  Climate change is human induced, not a natural warming/cooling period.  Yes the relationship of the sun to the earth is infinitely more important when it comes to the temperature of the earth then human influence...but it doesn't discount what we are doing right now is not natural and is killing life on earth at an alarmingly increased rate.  There is a direct correlation to CO2 emissions and the rise in the temperature.  The relationship is unequivocal and 99% of the experts agree and see it as a problem along with most of the world.  Only the 1% whose vested interests lie in the status quo think otherwise, and muddy the facts and distort truths so they can trick feeble minded people to their side.  But climate change is only 1 issue, we have many more like mass extinctions occuring at accelerated rates, pollution, clean air etc...

[Coach is Back!]

Yup, it has to do with the hippies trying to bank off all the hard working people, and nothing to do with the past several hundreds years and rapid rise of the human population/ tremendous energy expenditure over that time. 

The argument of the earth warming and cooling over thousands/millions of years, "so whats the big deal? "falls short of the actual issue.  Climate change is human induced, not a natural warming/cooling period.  Yes the relationship of the sun to the earth is infinitely more important when it comes to the temperature of the earth then human influence...but it doesn't discount what we are doing right now is not natural and is killing life on earth at an alarmingly increased rate.  There is a direct correlation to CO2 emissions and the rise in the temperature.  The relationship is unequivocal and 99% of the experts agree and see it as a problem along with most of the world.  Only the 1% whose vested interests lie in the status quo think otherwise, and muddy the facts and distort truths so they can trick feeble minded people to their side.  But climate change is only 1 issue, we have many more like mass extinctions occuring at accelerated rates, pollution, clean air etc...

Regardless whether it's true or not, it's the alarmist mentality of the left that the world is coming to an end (soon) and the only way to solve it is to hand over the money. Nothing has changed what so every since Al Gore said the world would in ten years....eleven years ago. NOAA has been caught making up fake data how many times?

I live in one of the most conservative counties in California, that being said we are also among some of the most cleanest beaches in the state and speaking on where I live, we don't want our beaches trashed and make a concerted effort to make sure it's clean.


 http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/heal-the-bays-annual-water-quality-report-reveals-the-biggest-beach-bummers-and-stunners-which-california-beac_138635/

[Erik C]

Yup, it has to do with the hippies trying to bank off all the hard working people, and nothing to do with the past several hundreds years and rapid rise of the human population/ tremendous energy expenditure over that time. 

The argument of the earth warming and cooling over thousands/millions of years, "so whats the big deal? "falls short of the actual issue.  Climate change is human induced, not a natural warming/cooling period.  Yes the relationship of the sun to the earth is infinitely more important when it comes to the temperature of the earth then human influence...but it doesn't discount what we are doing right now is not natural and is killing life on earth at an alarmingly increased rate.  There is a direct correlation to CO2 emissions and the rise in the temperature.  The relationship is unequivocal and 99% of the experts agree and see it as a problem along with most of the world.  Only the 1% whose vested interests lie in the status quo think otherwise, and muddy the facts and distort truths so they can trick feeble minded people to their side.  But climate change is only 1 issue, we have many more like mass extinctions occuring at accelerated rates, pollution, clean air etc...

You didn't quote, nor deny my post. I proved Global Warning/Climate Change is bull shit. That's something you can't deny. Read what I posted again, and try to refute it. Totally beyond your mental ability.

[Ropo]

He wasn't talking about prehistoric times. The Medieval Warming Period was only a thousand years ago. The glaciers in Greenland virtually disappeared, the Vikings colonized it, and there was plenty of grassland for their animals. In Britain, they were growing excellent grapes, and they were exporting wine to France! Couple of hundred years later, there was the Little Ice Age. The glaciers in Greenland, grew quickly, and pushed the Vikings into the sea, and the grape crop in Britain, ceased
to exist, as the Thames river froze solid.

There wasn't any burning of oil in either case, that caused those recent climate changes. The Earth's climate changes all the time, and mankind has nothing to say about it. Historically, the Medieval Warming Period is referred to as the Medieval Climate Optimum, because it was so favorable to mankind. And back then, only a thousand years ago, the average temperature was higher than it is now, and even higher than it will be in a hundred years from now, in the bogus computer models, that so called "scientists" are trying to palm off on us.

The Global Warming, Climate Change, has been a scam from the beginning. Just another socialist money grab, to redistribute wealth from the First World, to the Turd World.

Well, how that medieval warming period effect in the USA thousand years ago? Oh..wait...there wasn't cities like New Orleans and Miami, there were just native Americans and bison's, so how do you compare it to modern times? You can't, so your arguments are futile. You see, if the sea level rise back then, native Americans take their tents and move, and they didn't give a shit about the matter. How exactly you are going to move Manhattan? It is a bit harder than pack your tent on the back of the horse. How many people lives inside the distance of 10 miles from the sea in USA? If we move the shoreline 10 miles towards the inland, where exactly you put all those people? In the grass hut's?

[Necrosis]

Ah yes, the "Wind and Solar are unlimited" argument.
 
While this is true, the fly in the ointment is that they're not concentrated forms of energy and require large amounts of land and capital goods to become viable. These are not unlimited. Consider how many windmills it would take to power the entire country or even a significant portion of it.

The real future energy source is nuclear. Electricity  is generated by agitating electrons on the outside of the atom. The logical progression is to utilize the nucleus.

Solar panels would take up little to no space compared to oil/gas to power the whole US.

No it's not a logical progression LOL, imagine how much space all these nuclear reactors would take up? the mining of elements to power them? the water to continual cool them, the pitfalls like radiation. The natural logical progression is to capture energy already being created.

You have some serious misconceptions about wind power, it would not take much space, how is Germany doing?

[Thin Lizzy]

Solar panels would take up little to no space compared to oil/gas to power the whole US.

No it's not a logical progression LOL, imagine how much space all these nuclear reactors would take up? the mining of elements to power them? the water to continual cool them, the pitfalls like radiation. The natural logical progression is to capture energy already being created.

You have some serious misconceptions about wind power, it would not take much space, how is Germany doing?

Germany To Abandon $1.1 Trillion Wind Power Program By 2019 - The Daily Caller

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/germany-to-abandon-1-1-trillion-wind-power-program-by-2019/?client=safari


"Electricity from new wind power is nearly four times as expensive as electricity from existing nuclear power plants, according to analysis from the Institute for Energy Research. The rising cost of subsidies is passed onto ordinary rate-payers, which has triggered complaints that poor households are subsidizing the affluent."

[DanM]

Well, how that medieval warming period effect in the USA thousand years ago? Oh..wait...there wasn't cities like New Orleans and Miami, there were just native Americans and bison's, so how do you compare it to modern times? You can't, so your arguments are futile. You see, if the sea level rise back then, native Americans take their tents and move, and they didn't give a shit about the matter. How exactly you are going to move Manhattan? It is a bit harder than pack your tent on the back of the horse. How many people lives inside the distance of 10 miles from the sea in USA? If we move the shoreline 10 miles towards the inland, where exactly you put all those people? In the grass hut's?

Were there factories and cars during the medieval warming period? You don't seem to understand the basis of the argument or this thread. Nobody is claiming that climate change wouldn't effect more people today than it would have back then, that doesn't give you the right to justify a false theory.

[illuminati]

Fcuking Terrible - Getting Swampped by Musli Sand Ni ggers ( stop auto changing it to blacks )
Blame That Bitch Merkel.

HTH.
 

[Erik C]

Well, how that medieval warming period effect in the USA thousand years ago? Oh..wait...there wasn't cities like New Orleans and Miami, there were just native Americans and bison's, so how do you compare it to modern times? You can't, so your arguments are futile. You see, if the sea level rise back then, native Americans take their tents and move, and they didn't give a shit about the matter. How exactly you are going to move Manhattan? It is a bit harder than pack your tent on the back of the horse. How many people lives inside the distance of 10 miles from the sea in USA? If we move the shoreline 10 miles towards the inland, where exactly you put all those people? In the grass hut's?

During the Medieval Warming Period, most of the Glaciers in Greenland melted, as did Arctic ice, leading to stories the Vikings had about a North West Passage, that was looked for in vain, in later years, because it refroze. Still there are no stories of sea levels rising and flooding out cities such as London and Rome. Again it was hotter then than now, and even hotter than it will be in 100 years from now, based on the bogus computer models, that are being called "evidence." Computer models are always wrong. There are just too many variables that are not included in them, to ever make them accurate.

[Neptune100]

You didn't quote, nor deny my post. I proved Global Warning/Climate Change is bull shit. That's something you can't deny. Read what I posted again, and try to refute it. Totally beyond your mental ability.

I refuted your undeveloped notion that heating of the earth comes and goes so we shouldn't be concerned.  It's undeniable what we are doing now is causing massive damage to global ecosystems and the diversity of life therein.  If you want to refute accelerated extinction rates,, decreased air quality and huge pollution problems, then there is no reasoning with you anyways. 

[Pray_4_War]

I think that liberal climate hysteria was much easier to tolerate when things were going well in the United States.  Years ago we could afford to hemorrhage money on idiotic crusades. 


Now, not so much.

[Ropo]

During the Medieval Warming Period, most of the Glaciers in Greenland melted, as did Arctic ice, leading to stories the Vikings had about a North West Passage, that was looked for in vain, in later years, because it refroze. Still there are no stories of sea levels rising and flooding out cities such as London and Rome. Again it was hotter then than now, and even hotter than it will be in 100 years from now, based on the bogus computer models, that are being called "evidence." Computer models are always wrong. There are just too many variables that are not included in them, to ever make them accurate.

Computer models are always wrong? Ok. And blind faith is always right, because with the blind faith you never doubt anything. Scientist etc. try to warn you about the fact that new warming period will destroy terabillions worth of modern lifestyle and they try to start some actions to avoid this catastrophe, and some how they are the bad guys, not those who speed up the climatic change with the pollution based just on greed. Ok. Have a nice day 

[Necrosis]

Germany To Abandon $1.1 Trillion Wind Power Program By 2019 - The Daily Caller

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/germany-to-abandon-1-1-trillion-wind-power-program-by-2019/?client=safari


"Electricity from new wind power is nearly four times as expensive as electricity from existing nuclear power plants, according to analysis from the Institute for Energy Research. The rising cost of subsidies is passed onto ordinary rate-payers, which has triggered complaints that poor households are subsidizing the affluent."

Nuclear is the best source of energy,  there are issues. Did you know that we have a nuclear reactor in the sky? same idea except it's nearly free and doesn't have the negatives associated with it.

They are also comparing new wind to existing oil/nuclear which has more infrastructure (Read the wording, it's a strawman), you are not comparing apples to apples here. Wind, solar provide a huge chunk of energy in Germany. Solar is increasing, and expected to continue increasing in Germany, as battery tech improves the price continues to drop.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-germany-solar-idUSBRE84P0FI20120526

About the power of 20 nuclear power plants, no catastrophic risks associated.

[Thin Lizzy]

Nuclear is the best source of energy,  there are issues. Did you know that we have a nuclear reactor in the sky? same idea except it's nearly free and doesn't have the negatives associated with it.

They are also comparing new wind to existing oil/nuclear which has more infrastructure (Read the wording, it's a strawman), you are not comparing apples to apples here. Wind, solar provide a huge chunk of energy in Germany. Solar is increasing, and expected to continue increasing in Germany, as battery tech improves the price continues to drop.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-germany-solar-idUSBRE84P0FI20120526

About the power of 20 nuclear power plants, no catastrophic risks associated.

From your own link:


"Utilities and consumer groups have complained the FIT for solar power adds about 2 cents per kilowatt/hour on top of electricity prices in Germany that are already among the highest in the world with consumers paying about 23 cents per kw/h.

German consumers pay about 4 billion euros ($5 billion) per year on top of their electricity bills for solar power, according to a 2012 report by the Environment Ministry."

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I'm not anti-solar and wind. They have niche uses, but, you're delusion if you think they can be the primary sources of energy in the U.S.

[sync pulse]

The only industrial process that yields large amounts of concentrated energy, (all together in one place), without burning anything, is Nuclear Fission.

[Necrosis]

From your own link:


"Utilities and consumer groups have complained the FIT for solar power adds about 2 cents per kilowatt/hour on top of electricity prices in Germany that are already among the highest in the world with consumers paying about 23 cents per kw/h.

German consumers pay about 4 billion euros ($5 billion) per year on top of their electricity bills for solar power, according to a 2012 report by the Environment Ministry."

***

I'm not anti-solar and wind. They have niche uses, but, you're delusion if you think they can be the primary sources of energy in the U.S.

it can be, the batteries and storage are the issue, the price is continuing to drop as the tech gets better, it's literally in it's infancy. They are comparing something with massive infrastructure and long term usage.

You are also not factoring in the problems generated by gas, it generally needs to be combusted, releasing CO2, we know CO2 increases temperatures.

We have every major source of temp changed mapped, the orbit, wobble, ocean currents, ice cores etc. it all points to the same conclusion. The cost of this alone superceeds any benefits garnered. Why do you think solar is being implemented?

[Conker]

You keep saying that but most politicians are arguing against the whole idea of climate change. There is way more money to be made (and is being made) polluting the earth than cleaning it up.

It's in the already developed world's interest to bleat on about how "we" have to seriously reduce the amount of fossil fuels being used, after all they've already burned as much as they wanted to get rich. But if India, China, Brazil etc want to catch up they've got to do it with clean energy.

It's only about maintaining the status quo.

In a hundred years + scientists haven't been able to find a cure for cancer yet now they've worked out how to manipulate the earth's climate.  

[markofan]

Necrosis,

"You are also not factoring in the problems generated by gas, it generally needs to be combusted, releasing CO2, we know CO2 increases temperatures."

CO2 rise, follows temperature rise by hundreds of years years.  This is well known, documented.  

http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming-2/ice-core-graph/

http://principia-scientific.org/atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-lags-temperature-the-proof/

[Rami]

The Sun will eventually scorch the earth, then cool down and die anyway.

Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.  Find Jesus.

You plan to see that day?