...when I see all these dudes on the internet boards who are juiced to the gill and have 16" arms (and that's being generous). I took myself from weighing 137 lbs with 12" arms in 10th grade to weighing 220 with 19" arms and a 375 lb bench press by 12th grade all by basic lifts and supplementing with TwinLab Gainers Fuel and creatine. I mean if the genetics aren't there maybe it's time to have a sitdown with yourself and find a more rewarding path in life.