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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8402 on: April 04, 2025, 09:14:00 AM »
There was no communism in this country.  Ever.  We have some socialized programs but that's about it.  Even those programs are typically a hybrid.  If it were me, I'd tax all houses of worship at least what businesses are taxed.  Big Gretch did a fantastic job shepherding this glorious state of mine.  I was born in 1973 and she is far and away the greatest Michigan Governor of my lifetime.  Last year, while the dems had control of everything, they should have amended the state constitution and allowed 3 terms for a governor. 

Trump bungled covid by talking out of both sides of his face about it.  He has no one to blame for losing in 2020 but himself.

These were the goals of blue states with Whitmer being one of the worse in the country. California was just as bad if not worse, but in the more Conservative counties like mine, we told Newsom to fuck off after a couple of weeks of that nonsense. Sheriff wouldn't comply with his orders and we were one of the first to open our local economies back up.

   1.   Centralized Control and Loss of Individual Freedom: Lockdowns involved governments imposing strict regulations—stay-at-home orders, business closures, and restrictions on movement—which some likened to the authoritarian tendencies seen in historical communist regimes. The state’s ability to override personal liberties and private enterprise in the name of a collective goal (public health) was framed by critics as echoing Marxist emphasis on the collective over the individual.

   2.   Economic Intervention: The shutdown of businesses and the reliance on government subsidies or relief programs (e.g., stimulus checks, furlough schemes) were seen by some as a step toward state control of the economy, a feature of communism. Critics argued this mirrored Marxist ideas of dismantling capitalism, even if temporarily, by undermining free markets and private property rights.

   3.   Equality Through Restriction: Lockdowns aimed to protect society as a whole, often at the expense of unequal outcomes (e.g., small businesses suffered more than large corporations). Some interpreted this as a crude form of enforced equality, a concept loosely tied to Marxist ideology, though in practice it was more about epidemiology than class leveling.

   4.   Propaganda and Compliance: The use of public messaging to enforce lockdown rules—sometimes coupled with social pressure or surveillance (e.g., contact tracing)—was compared by detractors to the propaganda and control mechanisms of communist states. This view often exaggerated the intent, as the goal was containment, not ideological conformity.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8403 on: April 04, 2025, 10:41:31 AM »

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8404 on: April 04, 2025, 12:46:34 PM »
The stock market has now lost over $9 trillion in value since Trump took office this year.

$5 trillion of that loss has been in the past two days.

So much winning. 😂😂😂

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8405 on: April 04, 2025, 12:47:44 PM »
Please Mr. Lutnick, lower beef prices in the U.S.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8406 on: April 04, 2025, 01:00:47 PM »
Please Mr. Lutnick, lower beef prices in the U.S.
dont worry  if less beef is exported then the surplus will lower the price
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8407 on: April 04, 2025, 01:09:40 PM »
He has.

Haven't seen it. Show me.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8408 on: April 04, 2025, 01:16:27 PM »
   https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/declaring-a-national-emergency-at-the-southern-border-of-the-united-states/

Within 90 days of the date of this proclamation, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall submit a joint report to the President about the conditions at the southern border of the United States and any recommendations regarding additional actions that may be necessary to obtain complete operational control of the southern border, including whether to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807.


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The Insurrection Act of 1807 allows the president to deploy U.S. armed forces and the national guard against Americans in situations of civil unrest
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8409 on: April 04, 2025, 05:32:25 PM »
There was no communism in this country.  Ever.  We have some socialized programs but that's about it.  Even those programs are typically a hybrid.  If it were me, I'd tax all houses of worship at least what businesses are taxed. Big Gretch did a fantastic job shepherding this glorious state of mine.  I was born in 1973 and she is far and away the greatest Michigan Governor of my lifetime.  Last year, while the dems had control of everything, they should have amended the state constitution and allowed 3 terms for a governor. 

Trump bungled covid by talking out of both sides of his face about it.  He has no one to blame for losing in 2020 but himself.

You must have had some pretty lousy governors. 

Whitmer says her COVID restrictions in hindsight 'don't make a lot of sense'
By Scott McClallen | The Center Square Mar 13, 2023

(The Center Square) – Three years after COVID struck Michigan, Gov. Gretchen Whitmer now admits that many of her early lockdown rules, in retrospect, “don’t make a lot of sense.”

“We had to make some decisions, that in retrospect, don’t make a lot of sense,” Whitmer said in a CNN interview clip posted by the Twitter account @Breaking911.

When COVID struck, Whitmer shuttered much of the state’s economy. Her rules deemed which careers were “essential” and ordered “nonessential” workers to stay home.

Whitmer banned stores larger than 50,000 square feet from selling paint and home-improvement supplies, as well as advertising for “nonessential” goods. Even poperating a motorboat could bring criminal charges, as could traveling to a secondary home. Her lockdown was the longest and most strict in the Midwest.

Whitmer explained in the interview:

“We didn't want people, you know, all congregating around the gardening supplies… It was February in Michigan, no one was planting anyway…”

She continued:

“Some of those policies, I look back and think: that was maybe a little more than we needed to do.”

These were just a few of the nearly 200 emergency orders Whitmer issued in less than a year, mostly related to COVID, that left businesses scrambling to comply.

In one instance, a Walmart labeled baby carriers as a banned purchase, wrongly understanding Whitmer’s executive order 2020-42.

Former U.S. Rep. Peter Meijer said Whitmer was “gaslighting” Michiganders.

“The gaslighting here is simply breathtaking,” Meijer tweeted. “The orders (multiple) were in late March/early April (NOT February) and were so unclear that some stores put caution tape around entire aisles to not risk noncompliance. A bit of humility would be nice.”

Whitmer’s policies led to gyms being raided, and strip clubs operating while small businesses such as catering, bowling alleys, and more were forced to close or operate under heavy restrictions.

Over 2,500 Detroiters were ticketed for violating Whitmer’s emergency rules by the Detroit Police Department from April 14 through May 18. The fines were later tossed.

Gary Marshall, owner of FitStop24 in Niles and Dowagiac, reopened three months before Whitmer allowed gyms to open. He was charged with 30 misdemeanors and fined $18,000 before all charges were later dropped.

The Michigan Supreme Court stripped Whitmer of her emergency powers in Oct. 2020.


In May 2021, Whitmer was caught breaking her own COVID rules. A May 15 order demanded gatherings at food service establishments to have no more than six people at a table.

She attended a meal at an East Lansing bar with 13 people, for which she apologized.


Later in the interview, Whitmer told CNN reporter Chris Wallace she has no intention of seeking the Democrat nomination for president in 2024.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/michigan/article_f43c7e72-c1be-11ed-92bd-5b73e21f1b7c.html

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8410 on: April 04, 2025, 05:54:57 PM »
Big Gretch = NUMERO UNO!

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8411 on: April 04, 2025, 05:57:53 PM »
Big Gretch = NUMERO UNO!

Unless you had the misfortunate of owning a gym that she raided and forced to close.

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« Reply #8412 on: April 04, 2025, 06:01:56 PM »
Unless you had the misfortunate of owning a gym that she raided and forced to close.

I agree.  She showed real courage saving folks from themselves.  I can't imagine what my states recovery would have looked like if she had let as high a percentage of folks die as they did in most red states.  Our businesses would have had a major worker shortage upon re-opening. 

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8413 on: April 04, 2025, 06:45:47 PM »

Trump bungled covid by talking out of both sides of his face about it.  He has no one to blame for losing in 2020 but himself.
We were so close to you coming to the Right side and you go and spout this nonsense. :(
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« Reply #8414 on: April 04, 2025, 08:41:02 PM »
We were so close to you coming to the Right side and you go and spout this nonsense. :(

From a leadership perspective, Trump DID bungle Covid.  We didn't need a guy rifting theoretically at that time.  But I do believe he believed he enabled a warp speed "cure" at the time.

That said, 2020 was without a doubt a result of interference.  You cannot deny what happened with the laptop, and the effect it could have had.
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« Reply #8415 on: April 04, 2025, 08:43:32 PM »
From a leadership perspective, Trump DID bungle Covid.  We didn't need a guy rifting theoretically at that time.  But I do believe he believed he enabled a warp speed "cure" at the time.

Right.  Why "warp speed" a vaccine for just another flu?  Why tell Bob Woodward something like this is going to be really bad then tell everyone it basically ain't shit, then rush a vaccine through? 

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« Reply #8416 on: April 04, 2025, 08:50:37 PM »
Right.  Why "warp speed" a vaccine for just another flu?  Why tell Bob Woodward something like this is going to be really bad then tell everyone it basically ain't shit, then rush a vaccine through?

At the time, it wasn't believed to be a flu.  I get that, and I get the panic, and the fuck ups.

I get Trump's ego wanting to be "the guy" who ended it.  But I still say he botched it completely.  DeSantis got it right, but he was one of the few.

But I cannot forgive all the other stuff - lockdowns, mandates, masks, university shit, and the fact that IT'S STILL ON THE KIDS VACCINE SCHEDULE.

Criminal at this point.
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8417 on: April 04, 2025, 09:03:08 PM »
I agree.  She showed real courage saving folks from themselves.  I can't imagine what my states recovery would have looked like if she had let as high a percentage of folks die as they did in most red states.  Our businesses would have had a major worker shortage upon re-opening. 

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From the article:  “We had to make some decisions, that in retrospect, don’t make a lot of sense,” Whitmer said in a CNN interview clip posted by the Twitter account @Breaking911.

So you think she showed real courage by imposing draconian lockdowns that put people out of business, did nothing to stop the spread of Covid, and now claims her decisions didn't make a whole lot of sense? 

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« Reply #8418 on: April 04, 2025, 09:23:14 PM »
From the article:  “We had to make some decisions, that in retrospect, don’t make a lot of sense,” Whitmer said in a CNN interview clip posted by the Twitter account @Breaking911.

So you think she showed real courage by imposing draconian lockdowns that put people out of business, did nothing to stop the spread of Covid, and now claims her decisions didn't make a whole lot of sense?

She's just trying to rewrite history and make excuses for her incompetence like Newsom is doing.

Since we know Pfizer never tested the vaccine for it's ability (or lack thereof) to stop transmission, all mandates and subsequent actions had no scientific merit.  Just like Newsom closing beaches, skate parks, etc.

DeSantis was the closest to getting it right.  Most other leaders showed us, that in times of the our biggest crisis, they utterly failed.  They all need to be replaced.
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« Reply #8419 on: April 04, 2025, 09:29:10 PM »
She's just trying to rewrite history and make excuses for her incompetence like Newsom is doing.

Since we know Pfizer never tested the vaccine for it's ability (or lack thereof) to stop transmission, all mandates and subsequent actions had no scientific merit.  Just like Newsom closing beaches, skate parks, etc.

DeSantis was the closest to getting it right.  Most other leaders showed us, that in times of the our biggest crisis, they utterly failed.  They all need to be replaced.

Agree on all counts.  I can understand the initial fear/panic, but we clearly did not follow the science.  And we allowed mayors and governors to impose indefinite "states of emergency" allowing them to suspend laws and state constitutions, which was essentially martial law.  It allowed them to become dictators and sit in a room with no oversight determining "essential" vs. "non-essential" businesses, etc.  What a nightmare.  I know a lot of people who lost their businesses.  They put a good gym out of business here that was over 40 years old. 

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« Reply #8420 on: April 05, 2025, 05:22:17 AM »
He asked you to explain it.

And I gave him a resource to read at his own leisure.  Which would help you to do the same as well.  Since you obviously can not get the differences correct yet.

He has.

Exactly.  Repeating oneself over and over makes no sense. 

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« Reply #8421 on: April 05, 2025, 05:26:04 AM »

Trump bungled covid by talking out of both sides of his face about it.  He has no one to blame for losing in 2020 but himself.

That precious wall of his couldn't keep out a China virus with a Mexican name.   :D :D

And then some retards claim it was all for an assassination attempt on the orange turd.   :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #8422 on: April 05, 2025, 05:20:04 PM »
Right.  Why "warp speed" a vaccine for just another flu?  Why tell Bob Woodward something like this is going to be really bad then tell everyone it basically ain't shit, then rush a vaccine through?
Don't forget the media created panic that influenced the decisions. The Fauci effect, the dems controlling the narrative on TV and social media. All of that had to play into a decision to jump into some sort of "vaccine". Also dems were the ones that said people shouldn't be allowed in grocery stores or out in public until they got the governments poison. Blame Trump if you'd like, but the left side is the side that begged for our rights to be infringed.
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« Reply #8423 on: April 05, 2025, 08:49:03 PM »
Don't forget the media created panic that influenced the decisions. The Fauci effect, the dems controlling the narrative on TV and social media. All of that had to play into a decision to jump into some sort of "vaccine". Also dems were the ones that said people shouldn't be allowed in grocery stores or out in public until they got the governments poison. Blame Trump if you'd like, but the left side is the side that begged for our rights to be infringed.

Right.

Monoclonal Antibodies were effective in treating Covid.

Then they disappeared.

Follow that route and you'll see the whole thing was a fucking scam.

As far as Trump goes, it was ego.  He wanted to be "the guy" who stopped Covid, which is why he talked so much about getting it done, then..........ooops, it was shit.
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« Reply #8424 on: April 06, 2025, 08:56:37 AM »
She's just trying to rewrite history and make excuses for her incompetence like Newsom is doing.

Since we know Pfizer never tested the vaccine for it's ability (or lack thereof) to stop transmission, all mandates and subsequent actions had no scientific merit.  Just like Newsom closing beaches, skate parks, etc.

DeSantis was the closest to getting it right.  Most other leaders showed us, that in times of the our biggest crisis, they utterly failed.  They all need to be replaced.
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