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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8525 on: August 19, 2025, 08:01:30 AM »
All this effort just for him to skirt around the points with some unlinked google-fu.

Not much effort when you know facts.

I probably left out so much, but the stuff in there isn't really debatable.
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8526 on: August 19, 2025, 08:40:01 AM »
Not much effort when you know facts.

I probably left out so much, but the stuff in there isn't really debatable.

Easier just to block Prime's posts.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8527 on: August 19, 2025, 08:43:44 AM »
Easier just to block Prime's posts.

Nah, I've had reasonable conversations with him.

He just, for some reason, chooses to deflect and avoid at times.
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8528 on: August 19, 2025, 11:45:23 AM »
Nah, I've had reasonable conversations with him.

He just, for some reason, chooses to deflect and avoid at times.

So had I - Nowadays he'd rather Play stupid / ignore /deflect than give a
Direct honest answer.
He doesn't have the cojones to post the truth about Pedo Joe & the
DummyCraps as they were & are so fucking awful.

FFS he must be the only human left who backs & believes the China virus
con job.   :o    ::)

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8529 on: August 19, 2025, 11:48:09 AM »
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8530 on: August 19, 2025, 12:45:39 PM »
So had I - Nowadays he'd rather Play stupid / ignore /deflect than give a
Direct honest answer.
He doesn't have the cojones to post the truth about Pedo Joe & the
DummyCraps as they were & are so fucking awful.

FFS he must be the only human left who backs & believes the China virus
con job.
   :o    ::)

Necrosis does too.

Actually, most libs do, at least publicly.
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8531 on: August 19, 2025, 03:39:24 PM »
One at a time....

If you go back and re-read, I originally asked you why the Biden admin specifically let millions of illegals in (I did overestimate the amount).  Given that it was so easy for Trump to stop it, why was it permitted?  You went focused on the number I overestimated, then posted something how immigration has always had spikes and drops, or something to that extent.  You did not address the question.  So I will rephrase - we know the Biden admin reversed the stay in Mexico policy, we know millions were let in when it could have been stopped, and we know from polls that it was one of the main reasons he lost.  So given that, why did he permit all the crossings - what was he hoping for.

Since the vaccine was NEVER proven to stop the spread of the virus (Pfizer admitted this), why mandate it?  What is the reason for it if it wasn't backed by any science?  Why was it added to the vaccines list for newborns, when healthy kids are not at risk, and the side effects are much more risky.  Why did they keep schools closed for so long?  Why did Mom and Pop stores have to close, but the big retail stores could stay open?  Why were gatherings limited to 10 people, but protests could have 100?

They destroyed small businesses, and severely affected the mental state of kids with the closings.  NONE of this was backed by science, and the damage done will be felt for a generation at least.
 

No, I'm talking about all the evidence showing this whole thing was cooked up by Obama, and how the corrupt CIA and FBI were complicit.  How a fake Dossier was used for FISA warrants.  How Blinkin procured the signatures of 51 experts to create doubt around the Hunter laptop when they already knew it was true.........stuff like that.
 

Show me something Trump is doing that is worse than the Bragg and James cases, or what Obama/Comey/Clinton and the FBI did during Russiagate.  Anything.
 

Members of Biden's admin, aides, and the liberal media have all admitted he was compromised.  This will all be uncovered.  You'd have to be a fool to think otherwise, and to even think it remotely compares to Trump.

But I do agree on the age thing, although Trump does not seem to be limited by his at all.

We are here because the Democrats fucked up so badly from 20-24, circumvented their own processes and chose the worst candidate possible besides Biden, and continue to have no cohesion, message, or leadership.  All they do is go against everything Trump does.

And their approval ratings show it.

One at a time back at you. ;D

I thought about responding sarcastically by saying 'because he wanted to,' but Presidents do not act autonomously.

However, I understand why some folks blame Biden solely for increased immigration during his Presidency. Afterall, Trump takes all the credit for changing these policies and laws and implementing new stricter ones as if these new laws happen in a vacuum -- they do not. During Biden’s administration construction of the border wall was stopped. The travel bans targeting several Muslim-majority countries were rescinded. And the Trump administration's policy of separating families at the border was ended.

Biden implemented new border security measures which included increased border enforcement. There were efforts to address immigration issues, but comprehensive immigration reform met with major hurdles in Congress.

COVID - vaccines and mandates

Fear of the unknown is a great motivator which often results in overreaction, retrospection easily verifies it. Sometimes emotionally charged and excessive responses are shown to have been warranted, which deems them appropriate. It is "better to be safe than sorry."

Retrospectively, the steps you mention which were taken and imposed in an effort to limit the effects of an unknown virus were excessive. Isn't it great there are still people alive to discuss this issue? I personally knew folks that were not as lucky as you and I are.

Some of us have lived through previous similar situations. The polio epidemic occurred in the 1948 and 1955. In 1952 the polio pandemic peaked. During this period all sorts of restrictions were implemented. It was not until 1955 the original polio vaccine was made available.

The first flu pandemic was in 1830. Since then, there have been multiple flu pandemics. Today, there are new flu variances annually. Since around 1945 flu vaccines have been routinely updated to adapt to these. It was not until 2010 that the CDC started recommending annual flu shots.

HIV hit the scene in 1981. By 2022, there were 33 million estimated deaths. There is currently there are no (FDA)-approved preventive HIV vaccines, although there are recent medications which lessen the chance of contracting HIV. There are several government issued "mandates" in place for HIV.

We were discussing President Biden's possible misdeeds verses Trumps. What does something "cooked up by President Obama," or the other things you mentioned have to do with this?

How about sticking to comparing Trump's and President Biden's wrong doings?

These two paragraphs are irrelevant, IMO.


 

 



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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8532 on: August 20, 2025, 06:29:29 AM »
One at a time back at you. ;D

I thought about responding sarcastically by saying 'because he wanted to,' but Presidents do not act autonomously.

However, I understand why some folks blame Biden solely for increased immigration during his Presidency. Afterall, Trump takes all the credit for changing these policies and laws and implementing new stricter ones as if these new laws happen in a vacuum -- they do not. During Biden’s administration construction of the border wall was stopped. The travel bans targeting several Muslim-majority countries were rescinded. And the Trump administration's policy of separating families at the border was ended.

Biden implemented new border security measures which included increased border enforcement. There were efforts to address immigration issues, but comprehensive immigration reform met with major hurdles in Congress.

COVID - vaccines and mandates

Fear of the unknown is a great motivator which often results in overreaction, retrospection easily verifies it. Sometimes emotionally charged and excessive responses are shown to have been warranted, which deems them appropriate. It is "better to be safe than sorry."

Retrospectively, the steps you mention which were taken and imposed in an effort to limit the effects of an unknown virus were excessive. Isn't it great there are still people alive to discuss this issue? I personally knew folks that were not as lucky as you and I are.

Some of us have lived through previous similar situations. The polio epidemic occurred in the 1948 and 1955. In 1952 the polio pandemic peaked. During this period all sorts of restrictions were implemented. It was not until 1955 the original polio vaccine was made available.

The first flu pandemic was in 1830. Since then, there have been multiple flu pandemics. Today, there are new flu variances annually. Since around 1945 flu vaccines have been routinely updated to adapt to these. It was not until 2010 that the CDC started recommending annual flu shots.

HIV hit the scene in 1981. By 2022, there were 33 million estimated deaths. There is currently there are no (FDA)-approved preventive HIV vaccines, although there are recent medications which lessen the chance of contracting HIV. There are several government issued "mandates" in place for HIV.

We were discussing President Biden's possible misdeeds verses Trumps. What does something "cooked up by President Obama," or the other things you mentioned have to do with this?

How about sticking to comparing Trump's and President Biden's wrong doings?

These two paragraphs are irrelevant, IMO.


 

You're still not answering the question.  Let's try it one more time:

Biden reversed Stay in Mexico which increased crossings - FACT
There were at least 10M encounters at the Southern Border during the Biden Admin - FACT
There were no "congressional hurdles" necessary to stop it, since Trump was able to close it rapidly - FACT
The bipartisan bill Harris Biden claimed was necessary, while increasing funding, also normalized ~5k crossings a day - FACT.

So given all this, why did he not close the border?  The only rational explanation I have heard is that they would move as many of these folks as they can to swing states, give a path to citizenship, then the swing states turn blue.  Do you think this is plausible?

As for Covid, I don't think we can chalk it up to "better safe than sorry".  Simply because there were thousands and thousands of doctors saying what we were doing was wrong very early on.  Their voices were silenced, and many lost their jobs.  Big tech demonetized folks, twitter accounts were suspended, etc.....It might be one of the biggest scandals in US history (although some might rank cooking up a fake Russia collusion story, and weaponizing our government agencies in an effort to unseat a duly elected President a bit worse).

I think you really want this all to go away, and I really think you're ignoring facts here.  Everything I posted is supported.
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8533 on: August 20, 2025, 07:26:00 AM »
You're still not answering the question.  Let's try it one more time:

Biden reversed Stay in Mexico which increased crossings - FACT
There were at least 10M encounters at the Southern Border during the Biden Admin - FACT
There were no "congressional hurdles" necessary to stop it, since Trump was able to close it rapidly - FACT
The bipartisan bill Harris Biden claimed was necessary, while increasing funding, also normalized ~5k crossings a day - FACT.

So given all this, why did he not close the border?  The only rational explanation I have heard is that they would move as many of these folks as they can to swing states, give a path to citizenship, then the swing states turn blue.  Do you think this is plausible?

As for Covid, I don't think we can chalk it up to "better safe than sorry".  Simply because there were thousands and thousands of doctors saying what we were doing was wrong very early on.  Their voices were silenced, and many lost their jobs.  Big tech demonetized folks, twitter accounts were suspended, etc.....It might be one of the biggest scandals in US history (although some might rank cooking up a fake Russia collusion story, and weaponizing our government agencies in an effort to unseat a duly elected President a bit worse).

I think you really want this all to go away, and I really think you're ignoring facts here.  Everything I posted is supported.


Of course he want's it to go away.
He clearly knows what you are saying is correct - only he won't admit it.

Cognitive Dissonance is real & we can see it in action with prime's posts.

White is white except for Prime it's pale cream / snowy / milky etc  ::)

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8534 on: August 20, 2025, 09:10:18 AM »

White is white except for Prime it's pale cream / snowy / milky etc  ::)

I will refrain on asking what topic you are discussing with him here.
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8535 on: August 20, 2025, 02:40:40 PM »
Just like the left did when Biden was in charge?  LOL.

Either way, no.

There needs to be accountability for covering up his mental acuity, the vaccine mandates and Covid handling,  the weaponization of the judicial system, the attempted silencing of individuals, the attempts to hide stories from the public, and the fabrication of Russian collusion to try to remove an elected President.

These cannot slide, and examples need to be made so they don't happen again.

Oh, and also the permitting of millions of illegals into the country (which you think happened naturally).

It is important to note that almost all COVID mandates were issued while Trump was in office. President Biden signed a resolution on April 10, 2023, ending the national emergency declaration related to COVID-19, thus ending Federal vaccine and mask mandates.

States issued mandates and closures not the Federal Government

State-wide ordinances for school closures began on March 16, 2020, and by March 24, 2020, all states had closed schools until further notice.

March 15, 2020:

On March 15, 2020,  states began to implement shutdowns in order to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

Mask mandates for the general public were issued at the state level and by private entities. 39 States issued mask mandates starting in 2020.
 
The early pandemic period featured surging establishment closures, many of which were temporary and reopened shortly thereafter. However, establishment exits also surged, permanently destroying nearly 1.2 million jobs in the second quarter of 2020.
 
Federal COVID restrictions and mandates timeline:

March 16, 2020:
White House announces, "15 Days to Slow the Spread," a nationwide effort to slow the spread of COVID-19 through the implementation of social distancing at all levels of society.

March 29, 2020:
POTUS extends social distancing guidelines through April 30, 2020.
 
April 5, 2020:
Secretary of Defense issues Guidance on the Use of Cloth Face Coverings. All individuals on DOD property, installations, and facilities will wear face coverings when they cannot maintain six feet of social distance. SCHOOLS AND ORGANIZED YOUTH ACTIVITIES (e.g., daycare, camp) that are currently closed should remain closed. Bars shall remain closed.

President Donald Trump formally announced Operation Warp Speed on May 15, 2020. Operation Warp Speed greatly increased the COVID-19 vaccine rollout.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8536 on: August 20, 2025, 09:35:11 PM »
It is important to note that almost all COVID mandates were issued while Trump was in office. President Biden signed a resolution on April 10, 2023, ending the national emergency declaration related to COVID-19, thus ending Federal vaccine and mask mandates.

States issued mandates and closures not the Federal Government

State-wide ordinances for school closures began on March 16, 2020, and by March 24, 2020, all states had closed schools until further notice.

March 15, 2020:

On March 15, 2020,  states began to implement shutdowns in order to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

Mask mandates for the general public were issued at the state level and by private entities. 39 States issued mask mandates starting in 2020.
 
The early pandemic period featured surging establishment closures, many of which were temporary and reopened shortly thereafter. However, establishment exits also surged, permanently destroying nearly 1.2 million jobs in the second quarter of 2020.
 
Federal COVID restrictions and mandates timeline:

March 16, 2020:
White House announces, "15 Days to Slow the Spread," a nationwide effort to slow the spread of COVID-19 through the implementation of social distancing at all levels of society.

March 29, 2020:
POTUS extends social distancing guidelines through April 30, 2020.
 
April 5, 2020:
Secretary of Defense issues Guidance on the Use of Cloth Face Coverings. All individuals on DOD property, installations, and facilities will wear face coverings when they cannot maintain six feet of social distance. SCHOOLS AND ORGANIZED YOUTH ACTIVITIES (e.g., daycare, camp) that are currently closed should remain closed. Bars shall remain closed.

President Donald Trump formally announced Operation Warp Speed on May 15, 2020. Operation Warp Speed greatly increased the COVID-19 vaccine rollout.

I was referring to vaccine mandates.

Mask mandates, while stupid, were relatively harmless.  Social distancing, similar.

Making it mandatory for folks who work in large companies to have to get an experimental gene therapy that was never tested to see if it stopped transmission?  Criminal.  Keeping schools closed?  Criminal.  Adding mRNA to kid's vax schedules?  Criminal.

It's not the same.

Not going to answer the border thing, huh?
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8537 on: August 21, 2025, 04:38:25 AM »
Necrosis does too.

Actually, most libs do, at least publicly.

What do I believe?

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8538 on: August 21, 2025, 04:43:01 AM »
Necrosis does too.

Actually, most libs do, at least publicly.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8539 on: August 21, 2025, 09:45:33 AM »
What do I believe?

mRNA vax mandates were backed by science.

Unless I misread you.
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8540 on: August 21, 2025, 09:53:18 AM »

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« Reply #8541 on: August 21, 2025, 10:25:09 AM »
This is actually a victory for the American people, even for those on the left too stupid to realize it, or too blinded by their TDS to comprehend it.
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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8542 on: August 21, 2025, 12:47:29 PM »
Dear President Trump,

We, 70,000 Cambodian Buddhist monks, extend our deepest gratitude for your visionary leadership in securing the recent ceasefire between Cambodia and Thailand. Your diplomatic efforts in Kuala Lumpur averted a catastrophic war, alleviating immense suffering and fostering stability.

As the Peace President, your commitment to global harmony is exemplary. We wholeheartedly support Prime Minister Hun Manet's nomination of you for the Nobel Peace Prize.

May Buddha bless you, the First Lady, and the American people with health and longevity.

With profound esteem, 
Cambodian Buddhist Monks

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8543 on: August 22, 2025, 08:01:19 AM »
^^^ 70,000? That's a lot of monks.

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8544 on: August 22, 2025, 08:03:35 AM »
mRNA vax mandates were backed by science.

Unless I misread you.
He's in a different thread acting like he has inside info like he did on the G&O about windmill efficiency and environmental impact but refusing to back it up with the sTudiES.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8545 on: August 22, 2025, 09:06:21 AM »
FBI searches home of ex-Trump national security adviser John Bolton



The FBI is searching the Maryland home of John Bolton, who served in President Donald Trump’s first administration as national security adviser but later became critical of the president, as part of an investigation into the handling of classified documents

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/latest-fbi-searches-home-ex-121303712.html


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Re: Trump = Winning
« Reply #8546 on: August 22, 2025, 11:14:16 AM »
If you are not nice to Mr Trump, he will bring the law down upon you. /\

If you are nice to Mr Trump, he will bring the Law to help you.  \/


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« Reply #8547 on: August 22, 2025, 11:18:37 AM »
Wow.  So much winning this week.  Alligator Alcatraz to close.  Gavin totally popping MAGA minds with his posts.  Still trying to spin that 37% poll numbers.  And in a couple weeks the new jobs report will be out.  Oh my... who gets fired this time?  Habba in the hot seat again and El Lardo worrying about getting into heaven.

Good times!

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« Reply #8548 on: August 22, 2025, 01:06:49 PM »
Wow.  So much winning this week.  Alligator Alcatraz to close.  Gavin totally popping MAGA minds with his posts.  Still trying to spin that 37% poll numbers.  And in a couple weeks the new jobs report will be out.  Oh my... who gets fired this time?  Habba in the hot seat again and El Lardo worrying about getting into heaven.

Good times!

1. DeSantis said they're not going to stop deporting into that prison and added they were opening another 2000 cell facility.

2. Take remedial 9th grade civics course. Like Boasberg, federal activists judges don't have executive authority. But you keep right on thinking they're going to tear that down lol 

2. "Gavin" is at 27% and proving everyday to be less competent than Biden was the day Trump ended his fake Presidency early in their last and final debate

as for the rest of propaganda post....you've always failed at sourcing.

Market is up over 900 pts

Have a great day, Karl

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« Reply #8549 on: August 22, 2025, 01:33:08 PM »
1. DeSantis said they're not going to stop deporting into that prison and added they were opening another 2000 cell facility.

2. Take remedial 9th grade civics course. Like Boasberg, federal activists judges don't have executive authority. But you keep right on thinking they're going to tear that down lol 

2. "Gavin" is at 27% and proving everyday to be less competent than Biden was the day Trump ended his fake Presidency early in their last and final debate

as for the rest of propaganda post....you've always failed at sourcing.

Market is up over 900 pts

Have a great day, Karl


Looks like we will find out whether Federal Judge Kathleen M. Williams has the authority to make this ruling soon enough.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-rules-alligator-alcatraz-florida-no-new-detainees-rcna224550

https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2025/08/22/federal-judge-halts-operations-at-alligator-alcatraz

A spokesperson for the state attorney general’s office said on X that it would seek to appeal the ruling, saying that Williams’ district was the “improper venue” for a lawsuit about the center, and that the judge had overstepped her authority. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ spokesman told CNN: “The deportations will continue until morale improves.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ron-desantis-scoffs-judge-order-163048537.html

The Trump administration had argued that a review under the National Environmental Policy Act did not apply because while the center houses federal immigration detainees, it is run by the state. At the same time, the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis argued that its authority to operate the detention center came from an agreement with the federal government delegating some immigration enforcement powers to Florida.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/21/us/alligator-alcatraz-florida-ruling.html#:~:text=Judge%20Orders%20That%20%27Alligator%20Alcatraz,220

As for U.S. District Judge James Boasberg, it appears he has more authority than you thought... we will see.

Boasberg cleared to rule on CECOT migrant deportations after appeals court decision
The appeals court punted the case back to the lower court for review— keeping U.S. Judge James Boasberg squarely in Trump's crosshairs

A federal appeals court cleared the way this month for U.S. District Judge James Boasberg to continue to rule on the fate of hundreds of CECOT migrants deported by the Trump administration earlier this year — dissolving an emergency stay it previously handed down, and sending the case back down to the lower court for further consideration.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/boasberg-cleared-rule-cecot-migrant-deportations-after-appeals-court-decision