Trump = Winning

[chaos]

According to the conservative Heritage Foundation in the last 46 years there have been 68 cases of illegal aliens voting. And this is why Maga wants extensive voter ID; in the last 46 years there have been 68 cases of illegal aliens voting.

This same heritage foundation?

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/the-real-hr-1-problem-illegal-immigrants-voting

[illuminati]

This same heritage foundation?

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/the-real-hr-1-problem-illegal-immigrants-voting

Very odd that these Leftists are so against ID for voting - yet not for other things.

[IroNat]

How is those gas prices working out for you?  Duhnold says high gas prices are great for the country.

By country he means he and his buddies.  He don't give a shit about you.  He would never buy you a pair of shoes.

It's been fantastic for my EXXON stock.

[Humble Narcissist]

According to the conservative Heritage Foundation in the last 46 years there have been 68 cases of illegal aliens voting. And this is why Maga wants extensive voter ID; in the last 46 years there have been 68 cases of illegal aliens voting.

Well then voter ID shouldn't be a problem.

[LurkerNoMore]

Crybaby is begging the world to help him out with Iran and begging the American people to send him donations here at home.

No other president has ever acted like such a grifter and beggar.

[Grape Ape]

Voter ID is not a problem.

It's an 80/20 thing in favor, and the 20 are playing politics or retards.

Just make getting the ID a bit easier, give people time off to vote, and it's done.

[Necrosis]

Well then voter ID shouldn't be a problem.

It is if they way they want to go about it is disenfranchising 10% of the population. You dont think that would skew the results more?

women will be impacted the most- marrying a man means you need a new birth certificate to vote- thats retarded. Poor people might not be able to afford the passport as well.

It's targeted at dems, clearly. Why the fuck else you think they want it? there isnt' a voter fraud issue, illegals are not voting its dumb to push this through now---- unless they are worried about losing---- which they will in record fashion.

What argument is there for rapid wide ranging reform if the reason they would do it is a non-issue? what logical reason is there

[Necrosis]

Voter ID is not a problem.

It's an 80/20 thing in favor, and the 20 are playing politics or retards.

Just make getting the ID a bit easier, give people time off to vote, and it's done.

The bill is clearly to target dems.

Voter ID is fine but based on the data there doesn't need to be any changes at all, so why do it?

What argument is there for it?

[Grape Ape]

The bill is clearly to target dems.

Voter ID is fine but based on the data there doesn't need to be any changes at all, so why do it?

What argument is there for it?

Have you ever heard the statement "perception is greater than reality"?

Confidence in the security of our elections is at an all time low.  This needs to be changed.

In addition, it's common f'n sense.

The supposed "10% disenfranchised" need to get over it and get an ID.  But no, I refuse to believe there are folks who are passionate about voting, but can't get an ID to do so.  The math makes no sense.  If you can't get an ID, your ability to function in society is likely severely challenged, and  voting is likely the furthest thing on your mind.

But thanks for letting us know they're all leftists.

[chaos]

The bill is clearly to target dems.

Voter ID is fine but based on the data there doesn't need to be any changes at all, so why do it?

What argument is there for it?

So you're saying dems are the retarded dipshit 10% that have trouble getting ID's to vote? Did you read the heritage link I posted for Prime? I couldn't find his claim of 68 illegal voters but that article was interesting anyway.

[Primemuscle]

This same heritage foundation?

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/the-real-hr-1-problem-illegal-immigrants-voting

Yes, this Heritage Foundation. There is only one Heritage Foundation. 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/myths-about-noncitizen-voting-heritage-foundation-data/

Just so you know, I do not have an issue with states requiring valid ID from everyone registering to vote in accordance with USA.GOV page, who can and cannot vote.

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

[Grape Ape]

I can vouch for that - Prime has been consistent on voter ID.

It's just a total common sense thing.

[Coach is Back!]

Appeals court rules Trump admin can continue quickly deporting illegal migrants to third countries


https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/appeals-court-rules-trump-admin-can-continue-quickly-deporting-illegal?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

[Necrosis]

Have you ever heard the statement "perception is greater than reality"?

Confidence in the security of our elections is at an all time low.  This needs to be changed.

In addition, it's common f'n sense.

The supposed "10% disenfranchised" need to get over it and get an ID.  But no, I refuse to believe there are folks who are passionate about voting, but can't get an ID to do so.  The math makes no sense.  If you can't get an ID, your ability to function in society is likely severely challenged, and  voting is likely the furthest thing on your mind.

But thanks for letting us know they're all leftists.

Confidence is at an all time low because the current president lied through his teeth about the last election and stolen elections. If ID works and there isn't evidence of fraud why would you make things more complicated for people? thats not good sense, common sense is for basic things like dont touch a hot stove, good sense is what is missing here.

I am for voter ID but not something which unfairly targets one segment. Because women take mens names they get to get fucked?

ID is fine- license- asking for birth certificate and passport is problematic currently, without phaseout or other means. We are talking about the SAVE act.

I also dont think you read my post. the 10% would find it problematic because half of the population are women. They take mens names. they would be required to go get their name changed on their birth certificates to vote, they can get id, can be professionals etc. the passport means people struggling to get to work, eat have to fork out 200 dollars for a new one- these are your neighbors who might be working multiple jobs to survive, you think they are going to go fork out 200 bucks to vote when they can't make ends meet?

You aren't being logical at all here. No evidence of fraud at any meaningful level, the act will cause problems disproportionately experienced in select groups.

Women are more left leaning in general, poor people as well-- the bill will selectively hinder one side which is why trump said we will never lose again. Obviously it cant be because it cleans up fraud, there is none... so how else would it keep them winning? or is he lying to get the bill through to cause issues for the mid terms so he doesn't become a lame duck, because even if it passes those women will go through the hoops to vote. However, he doesn't care one bit about that once he is gone.

Let's rehash

1. there is no fraud/illegal aliens voting.
2. it isn't impacting republicans or democrats
3.The save act doesn't address any actual problem
4. by addressing this non-problem you create many problems that currently don't exist
5. its meant to maintain power obviously.

[Coach is Back!]

Confidence is at an all time low because the current president lied through his teeth about the last election and stolen elections. If ID works and there isn't evidence of fraud why would you make things more complicated for people? thats not good sense, common sense is for basic things like dont touch a hot stove, good sense is what is missing here.

I am for voter ID but not something which unfairly targets one segment. Because women take mens names they get to get fucked?

ID is fine- license- asking for birth certificate and passport is problematic currently, without phaseout or other means. We are talking about the SAVE act.

I also dont think you read my post. the 10% would find it problematic because half of the population are women. They take mens names. they would be required to go get their name changed on their birth certificates to vote, they can get id, can be professionals etc. the passport means people struggling to get to work, eat have to fork out 200 dollars for a new one- these are your neighbors who might be working multiple jobs to survive, you think they are going to go fork out 200 bucks to vote when they can't make ends meet?

You aren't being logical at all here. No evidence of fraud at any meaningful level, the act will cause problems disproportionately experienced in select groups.

Women are more left leaning in general, poor people as well-- the bill will selectively hinder one side which is why trump said we will never lose again. Obviously it cant be because it cleans up fraud, there is none... so how else would it keep them winning? or is he lying to get the bill through to cause issues for the mid terms so he doesn't become a lame duck, because even if it passes those women will go through the hoops to vote. However, he doesn't care one bit about that once he is gone.

Let's rehash

1. there is no fraud/illegal aliens voting.
2. it isn't impacting republicans or democrats
3.The save act doesn't address any actual problem
4. by addressing this non-problem you create many problems that currently don't exist
5. its meant to maintain power obviously.

You really do live in a complete alternate universe

[chaos]

Yes, this Heritage Foundation. There is only one Heritage Foundation. 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/myths-about-noncitizen-voting-heritage-foundation-data/

Just so you know, I do not have an issue with states requiring valid ID from everyone registering to vote in accordance with USA.GOV page, who can and cannot vote.

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

So some blog claims it and it's true? Link us to the page on the Heritage Foundation site that says it. Did you read the link I posted for you?

[B_B_C]

https://europeanbusinessmagazine.com/business/iran-has-just-fired-the-most-dangerous-shot-of-this-war-and-it-wasnt-a-missile/

Iran is considering allowing a limited number of oil tankers to pass through the Strait of Hormuz on the condition that the cargo is traded in Chinese yuan,.....

The condition, if formalised, would represent the most significant challenge to the petrodollar system in its fifty-two-year history, striking at the financial architecture that underpins American global power rather than at US military assets. . . .

The Architecture of American Financial Power
To understand why the yuan condition matters, it is necessary to understand what the petrodollar system actually is. Born from the Nixon shock of 1971 and formalised in 1974, the arrangement under which Saudi Arabia and the broader Gulf agreed to denominate all oil sales in US dollars created a self-reinforcing loop that has governed global finance ever since. Because oil — the world’s most traded commodity — must be purchased in dollars, every nation that imports energy must first acquire dollars. Every central bank holds dollar reserves for precisely this reason. The dollar’s status as the world’s primary reserve currency is not an abstract achievement; it flows directly and mechanically from oil.

[Grape Ape]

Confidence is at an all time low because the current president lied through his teeth about the last election and stolen elections. If ID works and there isn't evidence of fraud why would you make things more complicated for people? thats not good sense, common sense is for basic things like dont touch a hot stove, good sense is what is missing here.

Confidence is at an all time low because Trump was leading states when folks went to bed, they all stopped counting, and it was reversed the next day.  And I don't care what your explanation is, the optics were horrible.  It's at an all time low because the media and big tech colluded to hide stories that could have impacted the election.  None of this is a conspiracy - it actually happened.  It's at an all time low because after he lost, they tried to throw him jail, bankrupt him and his family, throw him off the ballot, assassinate, etc.....so spare me on this one.  I know how folks here feel.

We require ID for nearly everything.  To require it to vote and uphold the law is common sense, and no twisted explanation says otherwise. Plus, the majority of the US wants it.  So to summarize - make getting the ID easy, give time off, and use mail in only for disabilities and if you're out of the country.

I am for voter ID but not something which unfairly targets one segment. Because women take mens names they get to get fucked?

ID is fine- license- asking for birth certificate and passport is problematic currently, without phaseout or other means. We are talking about the SAVE act.


I also dont think you read my post. the 10% would find it problematic because half of the population are women. They take mens names. they would be required to go get their name changed on their birth certificates to vote, they can get id, can be professionals etc. the passport means people struggling to get to work, eat have to fork out 200 dollars for a new one- these are your neighbors who might be working multiple jobs to survive, you think they are going to go fork out 200 bucks to vote when they can't make ends meet?

You aren't being logical at all here. No evidence of fraud at any meaningful level, the act will cause problems disproportionately experienced in select groups.

Women are more left leaning in general, poor people as well-- the bill will selectively hinder one side which is why trump said we will never lose again. Obviously it cant be because it cleans up fraud, there is none... so how else would it keep them winning? or is he lying to get the bill through to cause issues for the mid terms so he doesn't become a lame duck, because even if it passes those women will go through the hoops to vote. However, he doesn't care one bit about that once he is gone.

As stated, they'll the need to make obtaining a new ID easy.  Is this part of the bill not true?

The bill includes provisions for states to establish processes for handling name mismatches, potentially accepting additional "bridge" documents like a marriage certificate, court-ordered name change decree, or similar to connect the birth certificate to the current name.

Let's rehash

1. there is no fraud/illegal aliens voting.
2. it isn't impacting republicans or democrats
3.The save act doesn't address any actual problem
4. by addressing this non-problem you create many problems that currently don't exist
5. its meant to maintain power obviously.

Let's rehash your rehash:

1. https://nypost.com/2026/03/16/us-news/illegal-immigrants-from-africa-india-and-china-are-voting-in-us-elections-heres-how-theyre-doing-it/
2. It impacts everyone
3. It will help tremendously with perception and make fraud more difficult
4. It's not a non-problem.  That's your Canadian interpretation
5. It makes our elections more secure.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about your elections or their processes.  Why do you care about ours?

[chaos]

I couldn't give a rat's ass about your elections or their processes.  Why do you care about ours?

Our elections actually affect him, his elections just don't affect us.

[Necrosis]

Confidence is at an all time low because Trump was leading states when folks went to bed, they all stopped counting, and it was reversed the next day.  And I don't care what your explanation is, the optics were horrible.  It's at an all time low because the media and big tech colluded to hide stories that could have impacted the election.  None of this is a conspiracy - it actually happened.  It's at an all time low because after he lost, they tried to throw him jail, bankrupt him and his family, throw him off the ballot, assassinate, etc.....so spare me on this one.  I know how folks here feel.

We require ID for nearly everything.  To require it to vote and uphold the law is common sense, and no twisted explanation says otherwise. Plus, the majority of the US wants it.  So to summarize - make getting the ID easy, give time off, and use mail in only for disabilities and if you're out of the country.

As stated, they'll the need to make obtaining a new ID easy.  Is this part of the bill not true?


Let's rehash your rehash:

1. https://nypost.com/2026/03/16/us-news/illegal-immigrants-from-africa-india-and-china-are-voting-in-us-elections-heres-how-theyre-doing-it/
2. It impacts everyone
3. It will help tremendously with perception and make fraud more difficult
4. It's not a non-problem.  That's your Canadian interpretation
5. It makes our elections more secure.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about your elections or their processes.  Why do you care about ours?

you believe the election was stolen? lol

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2103619118

literally zero evidence of it, every lawsuit (60 i believe) the DOJ, survey officials all found zero evidence. the above paper shows statistical evidence that nothing was abnormal.

There isn't one shred of evidence to support it was other then a conman trying to hold onto power exactly like he is now.

it's not my canadian opinion, its simply an objective observers opinion.

Why do I care? I dont really tbh. I have been on this forum since I was 18 I think. Maybe its force of habit. other forums I attended are gone and if I want polemics I have to talk politics. It's also good to tool to learn stuff, arguing with others. On this site you are all crazed right wingers so the only way to get any action is to take the contrarian opinion here. If the religious board was more fun I would be there, lol.

I do think they should make them easy to get. Do that. This isn't it and it will impact elections too harshly, which is doesn't have to do if done coherently. We are in agreeance. This isn't the only solution, its a bad one therefore make a better one.

[chaos]

This isn't the only solution, its a bad one therefore make a better one.

What's a better solution?

[Grape Ape]

you believe the election was stolen? lol

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2103619118

literally zero evidence of it, every lawsuit (60 i believe) the DOJ, survey officials all found zero evidence. the above paper shows statistical evidence that nothing was abnormal.

There isn't one shred of evidence to support it was other then a conman trying to hold onto power exactly like he is now.

it's not my canadian opinion, its simply an objective observers opinion.

Why do I care? I dont really tbh. I have been on this forum since I was 18 I think. Maybe its force of habit. other forums I attended are gone and if I want polemics I have to talk politics. It's also good to tool to learn stuff, arguing with others. On this site you are all crazed right wingers so the only way to get any action is to take the contrarian opinion here. If the religious board was more fun I would be there, lol.

I do think they should make them easy to get. Do that. This isn't it and it will impact elections too harshly, which is doesn't have to do if done coherently. We are in agreeance. This isn't the only solution, its a bad one therefore make a better one.

I said I believe the optics are horrible, and they were.

I believe the 2020 election was heavily influenced by the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, and I believe that doing so was election interference.  I believe folks like Zuckerberg spent almost half a billion, and that the tech industry curated content to drive the results they wanted.

As for all the other nefarious stuff - Dominion, I have not given it a thought.  If a lawsuit comes through, I will watch, but I'm not going put anything into it unless it becomes tangible.

I also think you have to be a complete fool to think in a country with 300+ million, and a ridiculous amount of mail in ballots, that there was no fraud.

So, stolen in the Dominion tampering way?  I'm not there.  Influenced, and maybe impacted by big tech.  Yes.......

You're a data guy right?  Check out this site - all data driven on ephemeral content.  Listen to podcasts with the originator - he has no emotional ties to this.  Lists out, using data, which elections were influenced - tracks sites, etc.....

https://americasdigitalshield.com/

[Primemuscle]

We require ID for nearly everything.  To require it to vote and uphold the law is common sense, and no twisted explanation says otherwise. Plus, the majority of the US wants it.  So to summarize - make getting the ID easy, give time off, and use mail in only for disabilities and if you're out of the country.

Tell me about it! A couple of months ago, I bought a bottle of wine at Safeway. Safeway requires proof of age. Can you imagine how ridiculous this seems to someone like me who is 81 years old?

Anyway, I showed the clerk my driver's license and either she forgot to give it back or I forgot to pick it up off the counter. It wasn't until about two weeks later that I was buying another bottle of wine and when I looked in my wallet for my driver's license, it was not there. I had no idea where it was by then. And I was not allowed to buy the wine.

After spending an entire morning at the DMV getting a replacement drivers license and upgrading it to "real ID" not to mention the additional cost and hassle of gathering up all the proof they require including renewing my passport for $130 to do this, I had a notion to check with Safeway's customer service and guess what? They had my old, now worthless driver's license. I shredded it.

[Grape Ape]

Tell me about it! A couple of months ago, I bought a bottle of wine at Safeway. Safeway requires proof of age. Can you imagine how ridiculous this seems to someone like me who is 81 years old?

Anyway, I showed the clerk my driver's license and either she forgot to give it back or I forgot to pick it up off the counter. It wasn't until about two weeks later that I was buying another bottle of wine and when I looked in my wallet for my driver's license, it was not there. I had no idea where it was by then. And I was not allowed to buy the wine.

After spending an entire morning at the DMV getting a replacement drivers license and upgrading it to "real ID" not to mention the additional cost and hassle of gathering up all the proof they require including renewing my passport for $130 to do this, I had a notion to check with Safeway's customer service and guess what? They had my old, now worthless driver's license. I shredded it.

Even in liberal Assachusetts, they don't card the obvious.  That sucks.

[AbrahamG]