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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #75 on: August 26, 2006, 09:53:35 PM »

how would ronnie have done if the field was different - an in prime levrone, ray, wheeler, nasser, and dillet.  - the competition dorian faced and dominated. 

considering that jay and gustavo have almost beaten ronnie and they suck compared to the guys mentioned above.

kinda makes you think. 

Here's the problem with your logic. Dorian did not dominate the field in his olympia wins besides 1993. There was always controversy surrounding Dorian's wins supported by picture and video evidence. The only thing Dorian nuthuggers have to hold onto are the stupid scoresheets which are in fact void in my opinion considering Dorian was a very close friend of the head IFBB judge, who also happened to house Dorian and let him train in his gym. He also helped Dorian prepare backstage. How is that any different from insider trading on the stock market, or a manager gambling on his team in baseball??? It's a fraud.

There has NEVER been any controversy about Ronnie's olympia wins besides 2001 and 2002. You can look at any picture or video and Ronnie is always clearly the best man. This is simply not the case with Yates. In fact, with Yates I often find myself embarrased to look at some of his pictures or videos and scratch my head how he won.

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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #76 on: August 26, 2006, 10:21:07 PM »
Here's the problem with your logic. Dorian did not dominate the field in his olympia wins besides 1993. There was always controversy surrounding Dorian's wins supported by picture and video evidence. The only thing Dorian nuthuggers have to hold onto are the stupid scoresheets which are in fact void in my opinion considering Dorian was a very close friend of the head IFBB judge, who also happened to house Dorian and let him train in his gym. He also helped Dorian prepare backstage. How is that any different from insider trading on the stock market, or a manager gambling on his team in baseball??? It's a fraud.

There has NEVER been any controversy about Ronnie's olympia wins besides 2001 and 2002. You can look at any picture or video and Ronnie is always clearly the best man. This is simply not the case with Yates. In fact, with Yates I often find myself embarrased to look at some of his pictures or videos and scratch my head how he won.


you fail to realize that whatever your opinion may be about dorian, the reality is different.  i have never seen an olympia report from 92-97 that says dorian SHOULD NOT have won.  if you find one, please post it.

this was written by someone who actually attended the contest and has years of experience reviewing contests.  i assume their opinion is valid considering a magazine pays that person to review the contests.  generally, most sports reporters have more expertice in the area that they cover over internet fans -like me and you.  that's why in baseball and football, the majority of hall of fame votes are from the writers/reporters.

do you have to agree with whatever they write?  of course not.  everyone has their opinion. 


score sheets represent an written account of the contest.  its the interpretation of the pictures.  the scoresheets arent subjective like your's and hulkster's opinion.

if ronnie's scoresheets looked anything like dorian's, you would say the exact same thing about how 2000, 01, and 04 werent close contests.  but with dorian, you use the scoresheets against him saying that they dont count, but rather YOUR opinion does. 

so the scoresheets and ronnie's own words arent good enough.  what else do you need?


you really think that steve weinberger has that much pull do make sure dorian wins every year that he competed in?  back then i dont think he was even a head judge yet.

yes, i agree with you in that there was has been less controversy over ronnie's wins.  that's bc the competition was so weak.

first you and hulkster made claims on yates' flaws.  now its politics.  at least with pictures there is something to look at and everyone has their own opinion.  but with these silly political claims, you have no proof or evidence.  pure speculation. 

whatever advantage you say dorian had with the judges, ronnie had it as well - the years that he was supposed to loose.  just as any multi mr. olympia did. 
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #77 on: August 26, 2006, 10:24:47 PM »
you fail to realize that whatever your opinion may be about dorian, the reality is different.  i have never seen an olympia report from 92-97 that says dorian SHOULD NOT have won.  if you find one, please post it.


this was written by someone who actually attended the contest and has years of experience reviewing contests.  i assume their opinion is valid considering a magazine pays that person to review the contests.  generally, most sports reporters have more expertice in the area that they cover over internet fans -like me and you.  that's why in baseball and football, the majority of hall of fame votes are from the writers/reporters.

do you have to agree with whatever they write?  of course not.  everyone has their opinion. 

you really think that steve weinberger has that much pull do make sure dorian wins every year that he competed in?  back then i dont think he was even a head judge yet.

yes, i agree with you in that there was has been less controversy over ronnie's wins.  that's bc the competition was so weak.

first you and hulkster made claims on yates' flaws.  now its politics.  at least with pictures there is something to look at and everyone has their own opinion.  but with these silly political claims, you have no proof or evidence.  pure speculation. 

whatever advantage you say dorian had with the judges, ronnie had it as well - the years that he was supposed to loose.  just as any multi mr. olympia did. 

Olympia report LOL...come on now, more bullshit, use your eyes please, I could care less what a report says. Just take a look at the pictures and videos, that's all the evidence I need. Dorian deserved two Olympias, 92 and 93, that's it. Once you tear your bicep, HOW can you be deemed the most symmetrical man in the contest ??? :-\

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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #78 on: August 26, 2006, 10:42:06 PM »
Olympia report LOL...come on now, more bullshit, use your eyes please, I could care less what a report says. Just take a look at the pictures and videos, that's all the evidence I need. Dorian deserved two Olympias, 92 and 93, that's it. Once you tear your bicep, HOW can you be deemed the most symmetrical man in the contest ??? :-\

i am using my eyes.  the reports validate my claims.

i dont think dorian was considered the most symmetrical man in the contest. 

contests arent won or lost by symmetry. 

you keep forgetting that there is NO FLEXING in the symmetry round.  so his torn bi isnt really seen. 

the symmetry round is mostly quarter turns, which dorian completley dominated. most people will concieve that dorian was beaten when compared to the front to nasser, etc. (shawn was just too small to be competitive) but overshadowed (no pun intended) EVERYONE from the side and back. that's why he won.  you have to consider all angles.  not just the front double bi pose. 

was dorian more symmetrical than say shawn?  dont know about that.  shawn did have short legs and a long torso.  obviously, the judges saw something liked in dorian.  and it doestn have anything to do with politcs.  dorian was balanced but no more balanced than shawn, kevin, etc.  why he won that round?  i dont know - ask a judge. 

you can loose rounds but still win the contest.  haney lost the muscularity round to dorian and still won the show.
ronnie lost the symmetry and muscularity round to jay, and still won the contest. 
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #79 on: August 26, 2006, 11:01:25 PM »




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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #80 on: August 27, 2006, 12:35:43 AM »
Olympia report LOL...come on now, more bullshit, use your eyes please, I could care less what a report says. Just take a look at the pictures and videos, that's all the evidence I need. Dorian deserved two Olympias, 92 and 93, that's it. Once you tear your bicep, HOW can you be deemed the most symmetrical man in the contest ??? :-\


toney freeman just won the europa show with a glaring pec tear.
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #81 on: August 27, 2006, 06:33:51 AM »
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i have never seen an olympia report from 92-97 that says dorian SHOULD NOT have won.  if you find one, please post it.

I have the 1994 olympia report from musclemag and the article was basically a well written consice pictorial essay showing that Shawn should have beaten dorian..

I also have the 1996 report taking about how dorian probably should not have won with soft quads, abs and a torn biceps.
They  thought Shawn should have won.

Anyone with these mags and a scanner can verify.

so you are wrong.
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #82 on: August 27, 2006, 06:37:57 AM »
I also have the musclemag 2004 olympia report and they bitche about how Ronnie fairly dominated the pre-judging and then lost his advantage becuase of the challenge round.

2004 may have been bad shape for Ronnie, but to say it was contoversial is retarded.

read the reviews - no one said 2004 was close or controversial.

they all agreed that Ronnie dominated and fairly at that.
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #83 on: August 27, 2006, 10:08:45 PM »
This is just un-fucking believable.


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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2006, 12:28:05 PM »
I have the 1994 olympia report from musclemag and the article was basically a well written consice pictorial essay showing that Shawn should have beaten dorian..

I also have the 1996 report taking about how dorian probably should not have won with soft quads, abs and a torn biceps.
They  thought Shawn should have won.

Anyone with these mags and a scanner can verify.

so you are wrong.


please scan those articles.  i have never heard of them.  which mags and who wrote them?


very amusing.   now you mention that you have olympia reports saying that dorian shouldnt have won.  you never mentioned than on the 360 pages of the other thread.

dorian's abs were fine in 96.  his bicep was the same since 94.  it didnt have impact in 94 0r 95, so why would 96 be any different. 

i will agree with you in that his quads looked worse than they did.  probably his worst year for quads. 


i dont think 2004 was controversial.  although, i think that's the best cutler has looked against ronnie since 01.

basically, at the night show, the last pose, jay was still close.  it came down to the lat spread.

coleman won, but based on the score sheet, he didnt totally dominate.  however, with the challenge round, i believe it threw the scores of.  coleman was the clear winner and if jay would have won, i dont think people would have minded.  (except you of course).

i've read the reports and they basically say that coleman came in to hjeavy - not so much like he dominated like in 03. 
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2006, 04:43:56 PM »
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very amusing.   now you mention that you have olympia reports saying that dorian shouldnt have won.  you never mentioned than on the 360 pages of the other thread.

but they have been mentioned by me in many other threads...

Why is it very amusing?

that you were wrong? ;)

Despite what you think, I am not new to the sport.

I do not have a scanner but can quote them if you would like.

anyone else who has the 94 musclemag coverage or 96 musclemag olympia coverage can verify...
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2006, 04:46:08 PM »
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please scan those articles.  i have never heard of them.  which mags and who wrote them?



both I believe were written by musclemags Johnny Fitness.

Believe it or not, there was a time in the early 90's where musclemag had THE best contest coverage of ALL the mags.

The level of detail written, not to mention tons of great pics was awesome.

But by the late 90's/2000's their coverage began to suck.
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2006, 07:50:04 PM »
but they have been mentioned by me in many other threads...

Why is it very amusing?

that you were wrong? ;)

Despite what you think, I am not new to the sport.

I do not have a scanner but can quote them if you would like.

anyone else who has the 94 musclemag coverage or 96 musclemag olympia coverage can verify...


maybe i've missed it, but i've never seen you mention it.  if i am wrong, i will be the first one to admit it.

and yes, i would like you to quote it.


besides, those relaxed black and white pics you keep posting are from the 94 Olympia.  this thread was about the 96 english grand prix. 
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #88 on: March 10, 2009, 05:30:26 PM »

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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #89 on: March 10, 2009, 06:23:50 PM »
Here's the problem with your logic. Dorian did not dominate the field in his olympia wins besides 1993. There was always controversy surrounding Dorian's wins supported by picture and video evidence. The only thing Dorian nuthuggers have to hold onto are the stupid scoresheets which are in fact void in my opinion considering Dorian was a very close friend of the head IFBB judge, who also happened to house Dorian and let him train in his gym. He also helped Dorian prepare backstage. How is that any different from insider trading on the stock market, or a manager gambling on his team in baseball??? It's a fraud.

There has NEVER been any controversy about Ronnie's olympia wins besides 2001 and 2002. You can look at any picture or video and Ronnie is always clearly the best man. This is simply not the case with Yates. In fact, with Yates I often find myself embarrased to look at some of his pictures or videos and scratch my head how he won.

excellent post summarising the corruption and cheating within IFBB judging ranks to favor Yates with his friends weinerberger/de milia /manion

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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2009, 06:26:29 PM »
ironically, probrecito is England 1.

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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #91 on: March 10, 2009, 06:27:12 PM »
excellent post summarising the corruption and cheating within IFBB judging ranks to favor Yates with his friends weinerberger/de milia /manion

excuses , excuses Team Nasser has plenty of team

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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #92 on: March 10, 2009, 06:36:43 PM »
Don't forget that Dorian used to withdraw his own blood, mix in GH, freeze it, and then reinject it later. He also used 10 grams of test a week.

Licious,
That is a silly statement. Not hating on you, but that is not why Yates stood alone.
Where do you get this "Inside info" from ?

NOBODY uses that much. 

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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #93 on: March 10, 2009, 06:52:51 PM »
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #94 on: March 10, 2009, 07:09:01 PM »
Licious,
That is a silly statement. Not hating on you, but that is not why Yates stood alone.
Where do you get this "Inside info" from ?

NOBODY uses that much. 

 It was a popular rumor back in the day. You know how bodybuilding lore is. I'll bet some dumb gym rat somewhere has experimented with that much  ;D

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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #95 on: March 10, 2009, 08:17:12 PM »
my how times would change...
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #96 on: March 11, 2009, 05:07:05 PM »
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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
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« Reply #98 on: March 11, 2009, 05:10:13 PM »
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ha ha ha Ronnie getting destroyed lol they wont recover

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Re: 1996 English Grand Prix featuring Dorian "The Gut" Yates.
« Reply #99 on: March 11, 2009, 05:26:48 PM »
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Dorian is number one.
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