Damn LuciousFox is killin' all the credibility for this sup. For real though, I got hooked up w/ a lot of free sample packs at the San Francisco Grand Prix, bout say 25 pills (damn near a bottle) And I've noticed some decent gains off of it. I'm not saying it's a magic pill, because there's no such thing. I've upped my total caloric intake, train intense and heavy, and do a couple of high intensity interval cardio sessions a week and I've been putting on a lb of what appears to be lean mass every week. I'm probably gonna get flamed on this post, but seriously the shit gives ya alot of energy preworkout and it seems to delay the feeling of mental fatigue towards the end of my workouts. All other Vyotech supplements SUCK in my book. Viraloid, Nitrobolic, and their shitty Creatine Serum (which we all know is a scam) so NO I'm not on their payroll, this is a true testimonial, take it for what its worth. If you can get free sample packs from a local GNC, try it out and see for yourself. I wouldn't reccommend paying full price for it however. It's definitely not worth no 80 bucks! Maybe 40 bucks is more like it.