Same guy - former HEROIN junkie vs. now STEROID junkie!

[ChristopherA]

I was a heroin addict for ~7 years. You'd be surprised how many people are addicted to it (or not, given the recent press it is getting), but it doesn't fit a clear-cut stereotype like some other drugs do. A daily addict can function perfectly fine and even hold a job so long as they have their source. It is when they run out of funds/resources that their cover begins to be blown.

No shit. How'd you kick it? You go to meetings, NA?

[Nether Animal]

No shit. How'd you kick it? You go to meetings, NA?

Nope, and in the states it is actually very difficult to get effective treatment if you don't have really good insurance. I self-medicated with gabapentin and tianeptine to step down from it.

[dj181]

I was a heroin addict for ~7 years. You'd be surprised how many people are addicted to it (or not, given the recent press it is getting), but it doesn't fit a clear-cut stereotype like some other drugs do. A daily addict can function perfectly fine and even hold a job so long as they have their source. It is when they run out of funds/resources that their cover begins to be blown.

sorry to hear that bro, but I'm glad that you got clean and clear

[stuntmovie]

Sorry to be a bit off track here but this has been an interesting read  so ..... Thanks, ya'll!

I'm in the process of helping to draft a screen-play based on a good friend who eventually killed himself (twice) as a result of drug addiction .... and some of this input is pertinent and can possibly help to  make this 'story' more interesting.

Do any of you formerly addicted GetBiggers recall any Hollywood film that concerned itself about 'drugs' and their adverse affect on individuals other than the following.

LessThan Zero
Rush
Trainspotting
Permanent Midnight
Requiem for a Dream
Drug Store Cowboy
Basketball Diaries

And probably most important .... How did you kick the habit? And what is the possibility of you 'falling off the wagon'.  (Old term)

Thanks again.

[Nether Animal]

Most movies either miss the mark entirely or overdramatize it for entertainment's sake. Requiem for a Dream is overrated, and Trainspotting's offbeat humor never sat well with me.

Drugstore Cowboy is great, though.

[stuntmovie]

Thanks, Neither. Planning to watch each of them in order to avoid plagerization. (No such word but gotta avoid copying another's storyline.)

So far the only one I did see was DRUGSTORE COWBOY.

[residue]

went from sucking dick for heroin to having his dick sucked by 80 yearold schmoes.. seems like a positive live change

[Simple Simon]

On what?

now thats funny....

[Taffin]

went from sucking dick for heroin to having his dick sucked by 80 yearold schmoes.. seems like a positive live change

As long as they took their dentures out and he closed his eyes, I suppose you may have a point...

[Nether Animal]

Thanks, Neither. Planning to watch each of them in order to avoid plagerization. (No such word but gotta avoid copying another's storyline.)

So far the only one I did see was DRUGSTORE COWBOY.

I'll be honest, it's one of those things that you really have to experience to have a firm grasp on.

[ESFitness]

Sorry to be a bit off track here but this has been an interesting read  so ..... Thanks, ya'll!

I'm in the process of helping to draft a screen-play based on a good friend who eventually killed himself (twice) as a result of drug addiction .... and some of this input is pertinent and can possibly help to  make this 'story' more interesting.

Do any of you formerly addicted GetBiggers recall any Hollywood film that concerned itself about 'drugs' and their adverse affect on individuals other than the following.

LessThan Zero
Rush
Trainspotting
Permanent Midnight
Requiem for a Dream
Drug Store Cowboy
Basketball Diaries

And probably most important .... How did you kick the habit? And what is the possibility of you 'falling off the wagon'.  (Old term)

Thanks again.

Had a big long reply to this question however my phone freaking.... So I'll give the condensed version. Perhaps more tomorrow when I have the energy or time...

Only saw a couple of those movies, rec room for a dream and trains body seemed to be on constant replay in rehab and only cut parts of both of them the duck. Seemed a little bit overdramatic eyes from what I saw. And I actually saw Basketball Diaries a couple times, however my experience wasn't quite like that except for the two times when I took Suboxone and THEN did a shot of heroin, producing what is called "precipitated withdrawa".. which is opiate withdrawal x10 ,accelerated X10...

... long story short I got Queen using Suboxone therapy twice. The first time I stopped after 4 maybe 6 weeks and went back to heroin. The second time was on Suboxone for three months, however they only gave me a prescription for three months but I made it last for six starting out at 32 milligrams per day dropping down to 24, then 16, then eight for the remaining maybe six weeks until I went to rehab when they dropped my dose from 8 milligrams per day down to one,to zero. within maybe 3 days I forget. During the second stint on Suboxone therapy I was also simultaneously using heroin. I found that I could used Suboxone early in the day or the previous day and THEN used heroin and still get high, however the opposite was not true and produced like I mentioned earlier the "precipitated withdrawals" (sick to your stomach-type shit you see in the movies).... however in my experience I never really went through bad withdrawals like the precipitated withdrawals because I was always working and hustling and could afford spending $280 per day on 6 grams of heroin per day.

... I left out a bunch of other shit that I had in my previous post, but two answer your second question what would lead to my relapse? That would probably be an injury/surgery, which would require me two use painkillers again....  which is the reason for me relapsing on painkillers / opiates again after being clean off of Nubian for 12 years. ( long story short... Started using nubain for a shoulder injury in 2000... And was prescribed Ultram / Tramadol for maybe a year-and-a-half half full neck and shoulder injuries which good led to heroin.). Does a ton it's getting late and it's been 3 days and I have had maybe three and a half hours of sleep perhaps I will commit more tomorrow

[ChristopherA]

Nope, and in the states it is actually very difficult to get effective treatment if you don't have really good insurance. I self-medicated with gabapentin and tianeptine to step down from it.

Gabapentin is quite an effective mood stabalizer. I gotta go to meeting on the regular or my life pretty turns to chaos and the thoughts of using are overpowering

[ESFitness]

Gabapentin is quite an effective mood stabalizer. I gotta go to meeting on the regular or my life pretty turns to chaos and the thoughts of using are overpowering

I thought Gabapentin by itself was kind of useless... However when combined with Baclofen(15-20mg?. I'm usually pretty good with remembering dosages lol) and Clonidine (.10mg?) it produced a pretty decent feeling, when Taken 3 times a day... (800mg gabapentin 3x/day btw)

[The Ugly]

Had a big long reply to this question however my phone freaking.... So I'll give the condensed version. Perhaps more tomorrow when I have the energy or time...

Only saw a couple of those movies, rec room for a dream and trains body seemed to be on constant replay in rehab and only cut parts of both of them the duck. Seemed a little bit overdramatic eyes from what I saw. And I actually saw Basketball Diaries a couple times, however my experience wasn't quite like that except for the two times when I took Suboxone and THEN did a shot of heroin, producing what is called "precipitated withdrawa".. which is opiate withdrawal x10 ,accelerated X10...

... long story short I got Queen using Suboxone therapy twice. The first time I stopped after 4 maybe 6 weeks and went back to heroin. The second time was on Suboxone for three months, however they only gave me a prescription for three months but I made it last for six starting out at 32 milligrams per day dropping down to 24, then 16, then eight for the remaining maybe six weeks until I went to rehab when they dropped my dose from 8 milligrams per day down to one,to zero. within maybe 3 days I forget. During the second stint on Suboxone therapy I was also simultaneously using heroin. I found that I could used Suboxone early in the day or the previous day and THEN used heroin and still get high, however the opposite was not true and produced like I mentioned earlier the "precipitated withdrawals" (sick to your stomach-type shit you see in the movies).... however in my experience I never really went through bad withdrawals like the precipitated withdrawals because I was always working and hustling and could afford spending $280 per day on 6 grams of heroin per day.

... I left out a bunch of other shit that I had in my previous post, but two answer your second question what would lead to my relapse? That would probably be an injury/surgery, which would require me two use painkillers again....  which is the reason for me relapsing on painkillers / opiates again after being clean off of Nubian for 12 years. ( long story short... Started using nubain for a shoulder injury in 2000... And was prescribed Ultram / Tramadol for maybe a year-and-a-half half full neck and shoulder injuries which good led to heroin.). Does a ton it's getting late and it's been 3 days and I have had maybe three and a half hours of sleep perhaps I will commit more tomorrow

I got a buddy who says this. Always AFTER the long story, and of course it just drags on.

"Too late, fucker. Maybe long story relevant?" I say.

[Earl1972]

funny thing is a person that has used both heroin and steroids will be more open about using heroin, denying he used steroids until the end

E

[NelsonMuntz]

Most movies either miss the mark entirely or overdramatize it for entertainment's sake. Requiem for a Dream is overrated, and Trainspotting's offbeat humor never sat well with me.

Drugstore Cowboy is great, though.

Hated that movie. Everytime a fellow mate in recovery brings up that flick as the end all I point out laughingly 2 main inaccuracies that piss me off to no end about that flick

1-They would not get 10 fucking cents for that TV he keeps "borrowing" off his mother

2- His apartment is too fucking clean. No addict in the history of addiction that far down the scale has a clean anything let alone an apartment(Although I predict a certain someone in this thread will claim their mansion was well kept at all times by the butlers and maids while he went out shooting up with John Belushi for days at a time or some nonsense)

[ESFitness]

I got a buddy who says this. Always AFTER the long story, and of course it just drags on.

"Too late, fucker. Maybe long story relevant?" I say.

I just happened to use voice texting pretty often

[dave19]

To the guy who claimed that the steroids would likely cause less damage than the heroin - you are dead wrong.

IF we were talking about pure pharmaceutical grade diacetylmorphine and an endless supply of it then maybe you're right although when IV'ing you will do damage to your veins over time which is not healthy of course.

But since 99,9% of heroin addicts will have access to 3-15% street grade shit that contains all kinds of other shits active and inactive compounds both doing harm inside your bloodstream this is pure fantasy. A lot of H junkies don't pay too much attention to safer-use when IV'ing as well so there's another risk factor for potentially life threatening infections etc... and then the worst part of it is that most junkies won't have an endless supply and will after a while start to do fucked up shit to get their drugs which will have a huge impact on their life.

As long as you still have money you can function perfectly as Nether Animal said and you can also be pretty much as big as you would be without the heroin, by itself it won't hurt your gains noticeably.

It's a terrible addiction ... for some it's the withdrawal that is the worst and for some it's their head that drives them crazy .. and I guess some fear both.. I can tell you that there is simply no feeling like opioid withdrawal, I'd rather go through pretty much anything else than this shit one more time.

By the way overdosing is not a big issue anymore, at least not where I live. Since the availability of high-grade heroin is very low most gear has around 5-10% and it's actually pretty hard to OD on that as long as you've built at least a bit of a tolerance... you would have to be pretty damn stupid to OD on stuff like that.... the only risk is that you might get your hands on some 70% stuff by chance and then underestimate it ... or most likely you will overestimate the gear you've been using in the past. Most users around here think they are using 30-40% smack and when they would have really good gear on hand they'd think it could not be more than twice as strong. Most people have no idea how potent pure #4 China White really is in comparison to some low-grade #3 that you get around here on the streets.

[SOMEPARTS]

This thread explains a lot of the poliitical posts on GB methinks.

[dave19]

Oh and one more thing... the guy in the first pic could very well be on heroin but I highly doubt that he is actually shooting it IV or if he does he just started very recently because you can clearly see his veins on the arms and NO ONE who does H IV over some time will have visible veins on their arms...

Most people who never did H will always think of needles when it comes up, not knowing that most H junkies actually prefer to smoke or snort it. Especially in countries where you mostly get #3 there are a lot more people who smoke it than shoot it.

[Earl1972]

why did you decide to try heroin?

E

[mazrim]

Requiem for a Dream was a great movie.

[FanBoi]

Is the high from heroin as good as they say?  That's one reason I'm afraid to try it.

[FanBoi]

Percocet was disappointing.  I had hoped for more.

[wes]

Damn this thread keeps it green for me.

Thank God I don`t get high anymore.

Nightmarish existance!!