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Re: Painkillers
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2017, 12:57:56 AM »
For those taking those painkillers regularly im curious what triggered the need to take them ? did you got into an accident or got injuried training ? or you just enjoy the high ?
I mean this is bodybuilding and im amazed about how many people have actually destroyed their body training

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« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2017, 01:00:11 AM »
Because it also works as an SSRI and SNRI.

Yeah I know. I remember when Duchaine had it in his Nubain detox protocol. He also thought it wasn't addictive.

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« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2017, 01:30:05 AM »
For those taking those painkillers regularly im curious what triggered the need to take them ? did you got into an accident or got injuried training ? or you just enjoy the high ?
I mean this is bodybuilding and im amazed about how many people have actually destroyed their body training

Started nubain because of a shoulder and neck injury. I was "straight edge" all through high school... No drinking, no weed etc... Actually quit nubain after about 2 months. By then id figured out it got you "high"(content, at least) and had figured out how to shoot it iv. I actually sold my last 3/4 full bottle to the guy who got me started on it (scott markey) & was off for a couple weeks until i had an argument with my boys mom and bought a couple cc's from him and stayed on for about 1.5yrs.

Then was on ultram for a neck/back injury. Dr had me on 8 tabs a day. Got to the point where i didnt like the sides and tapered down to 3 per day, then it became a controlled substance and i had to make an appointment with a dr to get a refill and the dr would only write the script for 20 days and i ended up with 10-12days tillnmy next dr apt. Just so happened that a guy called and had diluadid tabs for dirt cheap and i ended up using those till he was out. His girlfriend knew ppl who did heroin, so i thought that'd be cheaper and more effective. Lol.. Ended up using that for a year and a half. If theyd never made ultram a controlled substance i never wouldve went to black market diluadid, much less blown $78k on heroin. Looking back, what i spent on 1 days worth of heroin wouldve bought 2-3months worth of ultram.

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« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2017, 06:16:28 AM »
For those taking those painkillers regularly im curious what triggered the need to take them ? did you got into an accident or got injuried training ? or you just enjoy the high ?
I mean this is bodybuilding and im amazed about how many people have actually destroyed their body training
tramadol for lower back pain here, and yes doctor thinks in was caused by lifting.
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« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2017, 09:08:01 AM »
Crazy how some get addicted.when I toe my bicep and labrum they gave me oxy.


...never used them all.

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« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2017, 09:18:16 AM »
Still seen as mild and not very addictive in the medical community for some reason. That shit has me feeling extremely good, wonderful for draining physical/boring work. But even just a couple of days use has me feeling like shit for a couple days after stopping. Extremely good antidepressant that works immediately; a friend actually claimed he had it prescribed for depression by some crazy doc.

Makes it hard/impossible to orgasm.

Oh yes. Look out! For 48-72 hours you won't be able to walk to your car without wanting to take a nap. Plus, nothing will "sound good" pizza, sushi, sex, big tits, going to a casino, going to a party... motivation levels will be extremely low. 

I realize everyone responds differently. Just a little heads-up. 
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« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2017, 10:29:57 AM »
If i have time i could put something together, but in general you'll develope a tolerance both to the pink killing effects as well as the "high/euphoria". Im reluctant to use the term "high" when referring to opiates, since it's more of a warm blanket-feeling of contentment. "High" i tend to associate with something like weed, which is a dissociative (dissacoiates your mind from reality). Keep in mind that drugs/medications affect people differently. For instance many people get sleepy and nod off with opiates, whereas with me they "woke me up" and i functioned perfectly normal and never made me tired and allowed me to work 5/530am till midnight, get home and get to bed by 1/130am, wake up 4/430am and repeat.

Opiate withdrawal sucks. The withdrawal differs between particular opiates. Heroin/morphine/oxycodone/hydromorphone/oxymorphone withdrawal isnt nearly as bad as methadone or nubain/torbugesic/temgesic(which can last 45+ days). Tramadol/Ultram is unique because it works on 9-13 areas in the brain. In addition to being an opiate agonist/antagonist, it's also a (among other things...) Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) and Selective Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitor (SNRI) such as Celexa and Effexor, both of which cause shitty, unexpected withdrawal if you happen to miss a dose.

Another shitty part about opiates is that the tolerance stays with you for a long time. For instance, about a month ago i had kidney stones. I suffered through the first couple days, but i had shit to do that couldnt wait, so i bit the bullet and picked up some Percocet. Took 30mg that afternoon and felt nothing. Next day pain was worse... Long story short, 160mgs at once barely made my nose itch although it made so i could stand up outnof a chair without my back feeling like it was going to break (kidney stones give me pain at the very bottom of my lumbar spine... Passing the stones is nothing compared to the 3-5days of pain prior to passing them). 160mgs of oxycodone is a big dose, & keep in mind i hadnt had any opiates for 9+months. Another instance/example would be back in 2003 i was hospitalized for 10 days with pancreatitis and given 1-2mg Diluadid iv every few hours. That 2mg would have me about as "high" as ive ever been and id go from laying on my side in the hospital bed, unable to stand without curling over clutching my stomach , to unplugging my iv unit and walking down to the cafeteria and eating  (going against the dr-ordered liquid only diet. Opiates make me hungry as fuck)... Fast forwad to a couple years ago, towards the end of my relapse (aside from the 10days of painkillers in the hospital i was clean from opiates from about dec 2001 till about june 2015 (or 2014? I forget), i ran out of diacetyl-morphine  and was in withdrawal, but found some Diluadid. Remember 2mg had an enormous effect on me before.... Now? I shot 24mg iv and i was still in withdrawal. Same thing happened after that and instead of diluadid, i took 240mg oxycodone crushed up at once,& again, was still in withdrawal.

So, to summarize, opiates are always a lose-lose situation... Unless you have terminal cancer and youre gonna die and just want to be comfortable until it's time.

This is training... Learn to embrace the pain and discomfort.

*i forgot one thing... CBD oil/vape/edibles or whatever. Ive seen promising reports/studies on it being beneficial to athletes as an antiinflamatory/pain-reliever. However ive not used it myself. A lady i used to date happens to be the supplier for 90% of all dispensaries in the desert (5'2" red haired 53yr old latina with f-cup boobs lol)... So maybe I'll hit her up for a CBD vape pen and see how it works.  

*far as i know, CBD is non-psychoactive, unlike THC.

AMAZING quality post, and all of the information checks out from my knowledge.

My question is: what dose did they start you on initially for each of the opiates? 160mg is quite high by any stretch... If you started at 5mg and made it up to 160+ for little or no effect, that's terrifying.

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« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2017, 10:38:19 AM »
Stay away from any and all Opiates and Opioids or at least take them minimally if needed for surgery etc.  It will ruin you if you take them for any extended amount of time.

I've seen so many people, good decent people, go down this path and sadly didn't make it.

The worst thing that you go through is NOT the withdrawal.  That won't kill you.  You'll want to die but you won't.

What gets people is PAWS (Post-acute withdrawal syndrome).  What happens is that all the drugs are out of your system and you've detoxed.  But you still feel shitty.  You can't sleep, have restless leg syndrome, no energy, depression, skin crawling for weeks and even months and generaly hate life.  You wonder, will you ever feel normal again.  This is when people relapse.

So someone thinks after "2 or 3 months " that this sucks and why are they even clean to begin with.  So that take something like they normally do yet they have a virgin clean system and then BAMM, they OD.

It literally takes over a year for the brain to get back to normal.  The longer someone is on this shit the longer it takes for the brain to heal itself.

In layman's terms, this is what happens.

We have opiate receptors in our brain since we make our own natural pain killers called endorphins.  Think of these receptors as locks and the endorphins as the keys to these locks.

When you take pain killers they fill these locks and you feel great.  But because of the abundance of opiates that are flooding the body the brain makes MORE opiate receptors that want to be filled.  The results are tolerance and having to take more and more PK's to get the same results.

So when you do stop you're left with thousand and thousands of extra opiate receptors and also a suppressed endorphin "factory" that has shut down because you were already getting more than enough opiates via the pills.

That results in 2 things that are going on.  More opiate receptors and no natural production of endorphins and that's what cause PAWS.  

The brain has to go through shutting down all these extra receptors while increasing it's natural production of endorphins.  It's really a horrible feeling and takes forever.  And like someone said, even after a year and you take something that a normal person would get relief from, it doesn't do one thing to you.  You might as well be eating an M&M.

Some people can take these things and be perfectly OK.  Others not so much.  But if you have to take PK's to lift then my suggestion is don't lift.  Do something else because it will catch you and when it does that's all she wrote.

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Re: Painkillers
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2017, 11:45:48 AM »
until the balloon knot gets used to it. By then farts sound like a soft whisper in a field of wheat.

Thanks for sharing your personal experiences.

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« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2017, 12:01:23 PM »
Crazy how some get addicted.when I toe my bicep and labrum they gave me oxy.


...never used them all.

May I have them?

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« Reply #60 on: February 24, 2017, 12:44:01 PM »
May I have them?
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« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2017, 12:44:05 PM »
This was the original intention. Good doctors still only prescribe sparingly, in minimal doses, and usually as a last resort. Way too addictive.

Not entirely sure that was by design.

For a dash of humor, recall that Bayer marketed heroin once upon a time

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« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2017, 12:47:28 PM »
Started nubain because of a shoulder and neck injury. I was "straight edge" all through high school... No drinking, no weed etc... Actually quit nubain after about 2 months. By then id figured out it got you "high"(content, at least) and had figured out how to shoot it iv. I actually sold my last 3/4 full bottle to the guy who got me started on it (scott markey) & was off for a couple weeks until i had an argument with my boys mom and bought a couple cc's from him and stayed on for about 1.5yrs.

Then was on ultram for a neck/back injury. Dr had me on 8 tabs a day. Got to the point where i didnt like the sides and tapered down to 3 per day, then it became a controlled substance and i had to make an appointment with a dr to get a refill and the dr would only write the script for 20 days and i ended up with 10-12days tillnmy next dr apt. Just so happened that a guy called and had diluadid tabs for dirt cheap and i ended up using those till he was out. His girlfriend knew ppl who did heroin, so i thought that'd be cheaper and more effective. Lol.. Ended up using that for a year and a half. If theyd never made ultram a controlled substance i never wouldve went to black market diluadid, much less blown $78k on heroin. Looking back, what i spent on 1 days worth of heroin wouldve bought 2-3months worth of ultram.

78k? Unaware of street costs, especially of that drug - how does that relate to pharmaceutical optiate costs?

Were you unable to get a prescription, or did you tolerance go so high that you were almost forced into switching?

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« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2017, 01:35:04 PM »
I was told recently by a sports physiotherapist that in the acute stage of inflammation, using ibuprofen in order to bring down that high level of inflammation is important to help with recovery.

Inflammation is a part of the recovery process, but this should be differentiated from acute inflammation which will not help the recovery process.

It's the same with something like an eye infection, you first need to get rid of the high-level of inflammation and then once that is gone the recovery process can begin or at least resolve faster.

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« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2017, 01:57:29 PM »
Stay clean and stay in school; !!  :)

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« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2017, 01:58:53 PM »
Stay clean and stay in school; !!  :)
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« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2017, 03:16:01 PM »
Not entirely sure that was by design.

For a dash of humor, recall that Bayer marketed heroin once upon a time

Cough suppressant, I guess.

Imagine all the phony coughers all a sudden: "Say, Doc. Cough. That, uh, Bayer medicine, cough-cough ..."

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« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2017, 03:26:42 PM »
Cough suppressant, I guess.

Imagine all the phony coughers all a sudden: "Say, Doc. Cough. That, uh, Bayer medicine, cough-cough ..."

That's what was referencing! Oh Bayer... You certainly had an idea at least


And if you're curious, $4.85 today would be $131.85 today. No clue what street prices are of that same quantity - but I'm sure if there was insurance back then, it would cover most.

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« Reply #68 on: February 24, 2017, 03:34:19 PM »
That's what was referencing! Oh Bayer... You certainly had an idea at least


And if you're curious, $4.85 today would be $131.85 today. No clue what street prices are of that same quantity - but I'm sure if there was insurance back then, it would cover most.
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« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2017, 03:53:02 PM »
I was told recently by a sports physiotherapist that in the acute stage of inflammation, using ibuprofen in order to bring down that high level of inflammation is important to help with recovery.

Inflammation is a part of the recovery process, but this should be differentiated from acute inflammation which will not help the recovery process.

It's the same with something like an eye infection, you first need to get rid of the high-level of inflammation and then once that is gone the recovery process can begin or at least resolve faster.

NSAIDs only work for so long, and some cannot even take them.

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« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2017, 05:42:53 PM »
Unless you have an intolerable injury, avoid NSAIDs and painkillers.

Try reducing inflammation through dietary and lifestyle interventions. I dealt with chronic inflammation for years and always abstained from taking NSAIDs unless the inflammation and pain were so bad that more damage would be done by toughing it out.

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« Reply #71 on: February 24, 2017, 08:34:10 PM »
NSAIDs vs Opiates vs homeopathic remedies - what's your experience with dulling the pain of bodybuilding related injuries, aches, pains, etc?

I have no pain whatsoever.  Arguably, I have very little psychological pain.

Tonight is my sixth time taking Xanax.  I am currently on 4.5mg as of this post and feel very tired.  I feel too tired to enjoy being "high".  Admittedly, I don't care about anything right.  It's making my usual anger about leftists subside.  But is that a good thing?  I/we should be annoyed with leftist scum.  So I don't know what to say.

Let me do a typing test now and see how close I come to my 120 words per minute personal record.  I feel very, very tired.

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« Reply #72 on: February 24, 2017, 08:36:11 PM »
I have no pain whatsoever.  Arguably, I have very little psychological pain.

Tonight is my sixth time taking Xanax.  I am currently on 4.5mg as of this post and feel very tired.  I feel too tired to enjoy being "high".  Admittedly, I don't care about anything right.  It's making my usual anger about leftists subside.  But is that a good thing?  I/we should be annoyed with leftist scum.  So I don't know what to say.

Let me do a typing test now and see how close I come to my 120 words per minute personal record.  I feel very, very tired.

4.5mgs is a big dose. Ive used benzos since 2000/2001 and never go over 1mg xanax at once or 1.5mg total in a day.

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« Reply #73 on: February 24, 2017, 08:39:03 PM »
4.5mgs is a big dose. Ive used benzos since 2000/2001 and never go over 1mg xanax at once or 1.5mg total in a day.

I don't feel out of it - just like I've been sapped of my energy.  Does that make sense?  I feel no anxiety, to be sure.  But I just basically feel extremely tired.  I'm fighting staying awake.  I bet I would sleep the moment my head hit the pillow.  What do you make of this?

As for the typing test, this is why worst result for sure - at least as far as I can remember.

So obviously this drug is slowing me down.

Does it help to throw in a Percocet, or will that do nothing?  Keep in mind that I am relatively naive to these drugs.  So no tolerance.  But would that combination be a bad thing?

Discuss this.

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« Reply #74 on: February 24, 2017, 09:13:46 PM »
I don't feel out of it - just like I've been sapped of my energy.  Does that make sense?  I feel no anxiety, to be sure.  But I just basically feel extremely tired.  I'm fighting staying awake.  I bet I would sleep the moment my head hit the pillow.  What do you make of this?

As for the typing test, this is why worst result for sure - at least as far as I can remember.

So obviously this drug is slowing me down.

Does it help to throw in a Percocet, or will that do nothing?  Keep in mind that I am relatively naive to these drugs.  So no tolerance.  But would that combination be a bad thing?


Discuss this.

That's all benzos do for me. I see ho recreational value. You just fall asleep.

Dont bother wasting a perc... You wont be awake long enough to enjoy it.

Nice combo back in the day (before my opiate tolerance was through the roof) was whatever opiate you had (10mgs or whatever of vicodin or perc or whatever) with a low dose benzo (5-10valium, 1/2mg xanax, 1mg klonopin.. Those arnt quite equivilents btw), with 2 soma (700mg).

Mind you, mixing opiates & benzos & soma increases your chance of falling asleep and dying due to your breathing getting shallow. Fortunately/unfortunately i had/have a huge tolerance.