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http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/clapper-i-can-deny-wiretap-of-trump-tower-890505795832

 Former DNI ( 2009-17) James Clapper shoots down rumors on two hot topics on MYP , Sunday.

1. He said there was no wire-tapping of Trump tower by the Obama administration.

2. He also said that they knew Team Trump had conversations with various Russian officials.
BUT, to his knowledge, none of it rose to the criminal level of collusion with a foreign power.

So, on the good + side, for Trump, it appears credible, his team is not guilty of collusion .
BUT, it is also true that he wrongly accused the previous President of a felony crime.

We shall see where it goes...

Proof for the bolded?
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Trump's Saturday morning tweet accused the former President of illegal wire tapping on Trump Tower .

This is a felony level crime and quite serious.
However, Pres. Trump tweeted that he did.

(former) DNI Clapper came on MTP and flatly said there were no such wire taps.
He also said he was one of the main intelligence officials that briefed Trump as Pres-elect.
Clapper made clear he briefed Trump on a variety of topics related to the Russia hacking.
He even briefed Trump on the infamous MI-6 agent Steele dossier. He advised Pres. Trump that many things within the dossier were not substantiated . He wanted to be sure he was aware of everything that was out there.

So, we have Pres. Trump accusing the former President of a crime in writing via tweet.
Plus, it seems credible, he has no evidence to support his claim.
THIS is serious.


You're telling me the President of the United States "has no evidence to support his claim" and that the proof that he "falsely accused a former president of a felony" is James Clapper?

The same James Clapper that lied under oath to Congress about the NSA stockpiling information on public citizens, as proven by Snowden?

It would be child's play for Clapper, now out of a position of power, to go onto a Sunday morning news show and lie about not knowing about the wire taps.

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You and the Trump supporters can try and spin this all you want.
Truth is, Trump accused the former POTUS with ZERO evidence.



Like I asked before, you think the POTUS has ZERO evidence and just made this all up??
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YUP!  ;)  I really do.

You call yourself an independent...  ::)

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Clapper lied to congress remember?

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If Pres Trump has credible evidence, he needs to show us.

You don't trust his anonymous sources like you trust the msm's?
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Like I asked before, you think the POTUS has ZERO evidence and just made this all up??

YES

WTF man - that is his SIGNATURE MOVE

He's done that his entire life

How do you not know this?

He lies about things that are provably false at face value such as when he said his building had 68 floors when it only had 58 floors (he was pissed that the GM building nearby was taller so he just lied about his building....problem solved, at least in his mind)

He started his trainwreck of a political career by lying about Obama's birth certificate.  He said he had investigators in Hawaii and "they cannot believe what they are finding" and he promised to reveal it all.  Of course he revealed nothing because he had no investigators and it was all bullshit

He lied over and over during the campaign, usually prefacing a lie with "I'm hearing" ..."people are saying"...."someone told me", etc..

He lied a few weeks ago about his electoral college win and his explanation was "someone told me"

At the end of the campaign he said if  Hillary wins she "wants to let people just pour in. You could have 650 million people pour in and we do nothing about it. Think of it. That’s what could happen. You triple the size of our country in one week."
The entire population of Mexico is only 122 million and we couldn't get another 650 million people in this country in a week if the entire military was doing around the clock airlifts but his idiot followers just swallowed this ridiculous lie without giving it a second thought.


He is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR

That's what he has been his entire life and he never he is used to not having any consequences to his blatant lies but now as POTUS his words actually mean something and he's not used to having to deal with those kind of consequences

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YES

WTF man - that is his SIGNATURE MOVE

He's done that his entire life

How do you not know this?

He lies about things that are provably false at face value such as when he said his building had 68 floors when it only had 58 floors (he was pissed that the GM building nearby was taller so he just lied about his building....problem solved, at least in his mind)

He started his trainwreck of a political career by lying about Obama's birth certificate.  He said he had investigators in Hawaii and "they cannot believe what they are finding" and he promised to reveal it all.  Of course he revealed nothing because he had no investigators and it was all bullshit

He lied over and over during the campaign, usually prefacing a lie with "I'm hearing" ..."people are saying"...."someone told me", etc..

He lied a few weeks ago about his electoral college win and his explanation was "someone told me"

At the end of the campaign he said if  Hillary wins she "wants to let people just pour in. You could have 650 million people pour in and we do nothing about it. Think of it. That’s what could happen. You triple the size of our country in one week."
The entire population of Mexico is only 122 million and we couldn't get another 650 million people in this country in a week if the entire military was doing around the clock airlifts but his idiot followers just swallowed this ridiculous lie without giving it a second thought.


He is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR

That's what he has been his entire life and he never he is used to not having any consequences to his blatant lies but now as POTUS his words actually mean something and he's not used to having to deal with those kind of consequences

Hillary was the beacon of truth! I've been duped!

God damn! I regret voting for trump now!  ::) ::) ::)

EDIT: why don't you take this same stance when the Media is proven to lie over and over again?

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The election happened last Nov and is long over.

Trump won and is the POTUS. Everyone knows that and Hillary had her flaws, and lost.

So, let's all focus on the man in office and what he does.
I just wish he'd show some maturity and stop the juvenile tweets and insults.
Trump is the leader of the free world and is in charge of the nuclear codes.

Behaving like an adult goes with the job Mr President!


Hahaha Fart Jokes hahahahaha

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Hillary was the beacon of truth! I've been duped!

God damn! I regret voting for trump now!  ::) ::) ::)

EDIT: why don't you take this same stance when the Media is proven to lie over and over again?



This has got NOTHING to do with Hillary

try to remember the question you asked and to which I was responding

this was your question

Like I asked before, you think the POTUS has ZERO evidence and just made this all up??




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This has got NOTHING to do with Hillary

try to remember the question you asked and to which I was responding



I believe Trump in this instance. Believe me. This is going to be HUGE!


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I believe Trump in this instance. Believe me. This is going to be HUGE!

there is a sucker born every minute

btw - nice job totally ignoring my answer to your question

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there is a sucker born every minute

btw - nice job totally ignoring my answer to your question

You brought up past lies/bogus claims. How am I supposed refute that? You can literally do that with any public figure, especially in this day in age of partisan politics/media bias.

Why would even try to fight you on those choice selections?
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Trump has been the president for a month and a half.

With all the information at his disposal, why did he wait until the day after Session's recusal to unleash his bombshell? Perhaps because Session's can't manipulate any Russian information now. The screws are turning so what does Trump do... what he always does, deflect.

If he had information, he'd get it out as soon as possible but now he's not talking about it.

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You brought up past lies/bogus claims. How am I supposed refute that? You can literally do that with any public figure, especially in this day in age of partisan politics/media bias.

Why would even try to fight you on those choice selections?

Glad to see you can admit they are lies

I brought them up to support my answer to your question as to whether "you think the POTUS has ZERO evidence and just made this all up?"

Pointing out that he has made shit up with zero evidence his entire life

Glad to see we both agree on that fact

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Glad to see you can admit they are lies

I brought them up to support my answer to your question as to whether "you think the POTUS has ZERO evidence and just made this all up?"

Pointing out that he has made shit up with zero evidence his entire life

Glad to see we both agree on that fact

Yes, people lie.

How many times has Trump been right on subjects though? I'd wage he's been much more right than wrong his entire career... you don't accidentally become a billionaire. He's kept a few of his campaign promises so far, and seems hellbent to keep on fulfilling those promises.

Hell, he practically predicted 9/11 would occur; even stating it would be Osama, then onto the next shadowy figure:




There are reasons he won the presidential election. It doesn't hurt my pride to call him a liar.


"People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration, and a very effective form of promotion."

-Trump Art of the Deal
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Yes, people lie.

How many times has Trump been right on subjects though? I'd wage he's been much more right than wrong his entire career... you don't accidentally become a billionaire. He's kept a few of his campaign promises so far, and seems hellbent to keep on fulfilling those promises.

Hell, he practically predicted 9/11 would occur; even stating it would be Osama, then onto the next shadowy figure:




There are reasons he won the presidential election. It doesn't hurt my pride to call him a liar.



you didn't ask whether  "people lie"

again, try to remember YOUR question

you asked whether Trump would just make a claim with zero evidence and just make it all up (not sure why you asked essentially the same question twice)

we both seem to agree that Trump has a long history of making shit up with zero evidence

weird you can't  just stay on the point of your own question


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you didn't ask whether  "people lie"

again, try to remember YOUR question

you asked whether Trump would just make a claim with zero evidence and just make it all up (not sure why you asked essentially the same question twice)

we both seem to agree that Trump has a long history of making shit up with zero evidence

weird you can't  just stay on the point of your own question



He has evidence on this though... there have been various media outlets that have covered it in detail since Saturday... and this isn't even the classified materials that the president has access to  ???
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He has evidence on this though... there have been various media outlets that have covered it in detail since Saturday... and this isn't even the classified materials that the president has access to  ???

no he does not have evidence

we've been over this before

why not just give it a rest and when/if Trump shows us the evidence then we can talk about it


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I believe Trump in this instance. Believe me. This is going to be HUGE!




Why?

What has Trump done for you to give him blind allegiance?

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no he does not have evidence

we've been over this before

why not just give it a rest and when/if Trump shows us the evidence then we can talk about it



Sorry dude. He pulled this Obama wire tap , out his ass.

Trump tried the ol' bait and switch to get the focus away from him on this Russia connection.


Why?

What has Trump done for you to give him blind allegiance?

It has less to do with what Trump has done; rather it deals with the past dealings of the Obama Administration.
Because the Obama Administration has illegally spied on individuals in the past (foreign leaders & US journalists):

*The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;
*Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;
* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;
* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;
* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);
* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;
* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and
* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”.

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration.  It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

* In 2013 the liberal Washington Post expressed outrage after the revelation that the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter as a potential crime in a probe of classified leaks.  The reporter, Fox News’ James Rosen and his family, were part of an investigation into government officials anonymously leaking information to journalists. Rosen was not charged but his movements and actions were tracked.
* Also in 2013, members of the Associated Press were also a target of the surveillance.  The ultra liberal New Yorker even noted that “In moderate and liberal circles, at least, the phone-records scandal, partly because it involves the dear old A.P. and partly because it raises anew the specter of Big Brother, may well present the most serious threat to Obama’s reputation.”
* Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration.  A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency,” according to an article in the New York Post.

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I was just about to post this video. And yet he's not in prison. Here's a short (56sec) part:


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It has less to do with what Trump has done; rather it deals with the past dealings of the Obama Administration.
Because the Obama Administration has illegally spied on individuals in the past (foreign leaders & US journalists):

*The US National Security Agency bugged a private climate change strategy meeting; between UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin;
*Obama bugged Chief of Staff of UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for long term interception targetting his Swiss phone;
* Obama singled out the Director of the Rules Division of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), Johann Human, and targetted his Swiss phone for long term interception;
* Obama stole sensitive Italian diplomatic cables detailing how Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu implored Italy’s Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi to help patch up his relationship with US President Barack Obama, who was refusing to talk to Netanyahu;
* Obama intercepted top EU and Japanese trade ministers discussing their secret strategy and red lines to stop the US “extort[ing]” them at the WTO Doha arounds (the talks subsequently collapsed);
* Obama explicitly targeted five other top EU economic officials for long term interception, including their French, Austrian and Belgium phone numbers;
* Obama explicitly targetted the phones of Italy’s ambassador to NATO and other top Italian officials for long term interception; and
* Obama intercepted details of a critical private meeting between then French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Merkel and Berluscon, where the latter was told the Italian banking system was ready to “pop like a cork”.

In addition to the above list we also know now that Obama wire tapped various individuals in the US media that were reporting information not flattering to the Obama Administration.  It is widely known that Obama’s Justice Department targeted journalists with wiretaps in 2013:

* In 2013 the liberal Washington Post expressed outrage after the revelation that the Justice Department had investigated the newsgathering activities of a Fox News reporter as a potential crime in a probe of classified leaks.  The reporter, Fox News’ James Rosen and his family, were part of an investigation into government officials anonymously leaking information to journalists. Rosen was not charged but his movements and actions were tracked.
* Also in 2013, members of the Associated Press were also a target of the surveillance.  The ultra liberal New Yorker even noted that “In moderate and liberal circles, at least, the phone-records scandal, partly because it involves the dear old A.P. and partly because it raises anew the specter of Big Brother, may well present the most serious threat to Obama’s reputation.”
* Reporter Sharyl Attkisson said in 2014 that her personal computer and CBS laptop were hacked after she began filing stories about Benghazi that were unflattering to the Obama administration.  A source who checked her laptop said the hacker used spyware “proprietary to a government agency,” according to an article in the New York Post.



Because you hate/dislike the Obama administration it doesn't make Trump any less of an ass clown.
His administration has been a shit show since day 1 and he has been a con man all his adult life.