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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2017, 07:00:33 PM »
Given how the Obama Administration used the IRS to target political opponents, it would not surprise me one bit if his minions have their fingerprints all over this, with plausible deniability for President Obama of course. 

Fox reporter: Rice may have been told to request Trump team records
Published April 04, 2017
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A Fox reporter investigating the "unmasking" of Trump transition officials by former national security adviser Susan Rice told "The O'Reilly Factor" Tuesday that they were examining whether Rice was told to request records about the president's associates.

FoxNews.com investigative reporter Malia Zimmerman told host Bill O'Reilly that she and Adam Housely were investigating whether "somebody from the [National Security Agency], for example, would have told [Rice] to ask for those reports, to ask for those names to be unmasked.

"That is what we’ve heard from some of our sources and so we’re looking into that angle as a possibility," she said.

Zimmerman and Housely reported Monday that the names were part of incidental electronic surveillance of candidate and President-elect Trump and people close to him, including family members, for up to a year before he took office.

"It’s just so vast, because we don’t know so many things," Zimmerman told O'Reilly. "We don’t know why they were surveilled – why they came up in the surveillance as incidental communications ... And we have to think about this in terms of this was going on for at least a year, according to our sources, possibly longer."

As national security adviser, Rice had the authority to request unmasking of names, a request which would have gone through the NSA.

The unmasked names were sent to the National Security Council, the Defense Department, then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and then-CIA Director John Brennan. It was not immediately whether those people received it on a "need to know basis."

Late Tuesday, a former senior intelligence official told Fox News' Catherine Herridge that the finished intelligence products Rice was given about the Trump team included transcripts, which should never have been included.

The former official said Rice would have understood that an extensive paper trail would be generated and show who requested the unmasking, on what basis, and whether it was granted. This raises more questions about the motivation for Rice's request, her motivation and whether it was authorized higher-up in the Obama administration.

When O'Reilly asked Zimmerman if she believed the unmasking broke any laws, the reporter answered, "It’s pretty clear they were broken because the names were released to the media. So I believe that’s the case, but whether or not it was Susan Rice or someone else, we have no evidence to show who that person was that leaked."

However, Zimmerman added, "There’s a lot more to it, and we believe there’s more people involved."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/04/fox-reporter-rice-may-have-been-told-to-request-trump-team-records.html

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2017, 10:09:29 PM »
There's nothing to the story.  Susan Rice already testified in Congress that she never did anything of the sort.  Its a dead end
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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2017, 10:40:59 PM »
There's nothing to the story.  Susan Rice already testified in Congress that she never did anything of the sort.  Its a dead end

You're trolling, you have to be. No one is this misinformed and admits it.

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2017, 11:17:51 PM »
There's nothing to the story.  Susan Rice already testified in Congress that she never did anything of the sort.  Its a dead end

No she didn't.

For chrissakes.

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2017, 03:14:57 AM »
There's nothing to the story.  Susan Rice already testified in Congress that she never did anything of the sort.  Its a dead end

She also blamed Beghazi on a fake video  - her claims are worthless.

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2017, 05:08:28 AM »
Former CIA Analyst: Susan Rice's NSA Demasking Denials Don't Add Up
Fox News ^ | April 04, 2017 | Fred Fleitz
Posted on 4/4/2017, 5:23:13 PM by Helicondelta

In an interview with Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC Tuesday, former National Security Adviser Susan Rice broke her silence over this week’s stunning reports that she requested the names of Trump campaign and transition officials be “demasked” from National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts.

It was an awkward interview. Rice confirmed that she requested the demasking of Americans while she was National Security Adviser. While Rice would not deny that she asked that names of Trump officials be demasked, she insisted the Obama administration did not spy on Mr. Trump or his staff for political purposes.

As a former CIA analyst who has handled requests for demasking the names of American citizens for a U.S. policymaker, I thought Rice’s claims in her interview did not add up.

The names of U.S. citizens “incidentally” mentioned in NSA reports are masked to preserve their identities because America’s intelligence agencies are barred from spying on American citizens except in extraordinary circumstances with court approval.

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2017, 05:44:27 AM »
The pursuit of Trump may have caught the Obama White House
The Washington Post ^ | April 4, 2017 | By Ed Rogers
Posted on 4/4/2017, 6:00:04 PM by Oldeconomybuyer

It is said that Watergate wasn’t about the crime, but about the coverup. Well, at least in the Watergate scandal, there was a proper crime — specifically, the break-in and wiretapping. The frenzy has created a scandal without perpetrators or a crime. There is a sense that Washington is on the brink, but no one can say on the brink of what.

Rice has a history of a strained relationship with the truth, and for a national security adviser, she has, at times, flown close to the partisan political flame. So, what was going on? Why did she do it? And with whom, in the government and the media, did she share the information?

Multiple senators are now demanding her testimony. There could have been crimes committed and a real scandal could develop, so you can bet the full story will be slow to emerge. It appears that Rice has issued the standard denials. And her defenders on Capitol Hill and in the media will do all they can to distract and demand that there is nothing to see here. Democrats and their media allies will continue to make baseless allegations, hoping that the Russia investigations will somehow deliver for them and become this president’s Watergate.

The result so far? Competing outrage. Just as Democrats are pursuing L-TACs (links, ties, associations or contacts) in search of a crime, the Obama White House’s national security adviser has now landed as one of the ones who will have to answer for her actions under oath. Washington is as scandal-primed as I’ve ever seen it — there is a lot of smoke right now, but no clear fire. So the noise and finger-pointing will continue. And I have no idea who is winning.

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2017, 06:16:30 AM »


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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2017, 08:51:35 AM »
Let's see how the left on here will spin this.

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #59 on: April 05, 2017, 09:00:55 AM »
You're trolling, you have to be. No one is this misinformed and admits it.


She adamantly said no.  That's says a lot because no one is crazy enough to lie at a congressional hearing.  You can end up in prison for it.  If there was anything to it, she would have said no comment.


Seems like they are just throwing anything at the wall to cover for Trump's silly allegations.
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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2017, 09:05:02 AM »

She adamantly said no.  That's says a lot because no one is crazy enough to lie at a congressional hearing.  You can end up in prison for it.  If there was anything to it, she would have said no comment.


Seems like they are just throwing anything at the wall to cover for Trump's silly allegations.

Congressional hearing? I think you mean PBS... MSNBC... CBS...
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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2017, 02:11:18 PM »
He just cannot keep his mouth shut.  Trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  He should just be quiet and let this play out. 

Trump to NY Times: Susan Rice May Have Committed a Crime
By Jason Devaney   |    Wednesday, 05 Apr 2017
 
President Donald Trump Wednesday told The New York Times that former President Barack Obama's national security adviser Susan Rice may have committed a crime by requesting the identities of his associates mentioned in communications intercepted by security agencies.

"I think it's going to be the biggest story," Trump said in an Oval Office interview published under the bylines of Times reporters Maggie Haberman and Glenn Thrush. He repeatedly declined to provide evidence, the report said.

"It's such an important story for our country and the world," Trump added. "It is one of the big stories of our time."

Asked if Rice, who denied leaking any information, had committed a crime, the president told the Times, "Do I think? Yes, I think."

Trump said he would explain himself "at the right time."

It was reported on Monday that Rice unmasked the names of several U.S. citizens who had connections to Trump's campaign and transition teams. She went on MSNBC the following day to explain her actions.

Rice told Andrea Mitchell she unmasked Americans' names but "not for any political purposes."

Rice also denied leaking anything to the media, and she said people in Trump's inner circle and/or those who worked in Trump Tower were not specifically targeted for any surveillance operations during the Obama administration.

"There was no such collection or surveillance on Trump Tower or Trump individuals," she said. "The president of the United States and people in the White House do not have the ability to order such collection."

During the Times interview, Trump called out that newspaper and other media outlets for what he said was a failure to cover the Rice story this week.

CNN's Chris Cuomo labeled the Rice story "a fake scandal" during his Tuesday show.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/trump-rice-crime-new-york-times/2017/04/05/id/782698/

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2017, 05:14:04 PM »
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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2017, 06:16:17 PM »
 :o

Reports in unmasking controversy were detailed, had info about 'everyday lives'



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/reports-in-unmasking-controversy-were-detailed-had-info-about-everyday-lives.html

The intelligence reports at the center of the Susan Rice unmasking controversy were detailed, and almost resembled a private investigator’s file, according to a Republican congressman familiar with the documents.

"This is information about their everyday lives," Rep. Peter King of New York, a member of the House Intelligence committee said. "Sort of like in a divorce case where lawyers are hired, investigators are hired just to find out what the other person is doing from morning until night and then you try to piece it together later on.”

On the House Intelligence Committee, only the Republican chairman, Devin Nunes of California, and the ranking Democrat Adam Schiff, also of California, have personally reviewed the intelligence reports. Some members were given broad outlines.

Nunes has consistently stated that the files caused him deep concern because the unmasking went beyond the former national security adviser Mike Flynn, and the information was not related to Moscow.

Schiff said in a statement, “I cannot comment on the content of these materials or any other classified documents, and nothing should be inferred from the fact that I am treating classified materials the way they should be treated - by refusing to comment on them. Only the Administration has the power to declassify the information and make it available to the public."

Former National Security Adviser Rice is under scrutiny after allegations she sought to unmask the identities of Trump associates caught up in surveillance - such as phone calls between foreign intelligence targets. Rice denies ever having sought such information for political purposes and has defended her requests as routine.

But the most recent government data shows that unmasking or identifying Americans happens in a limited number of cases. The Office for the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees the 17 intelligence agencies, said "...in 2015, NSA disseminated 4,290 FAA Section 702 intelligence reports that included U.S. person information. Of those 4,290 reports, the U.S. person information was masked in 3,168 reports and unmasked in 1,122 reports."  

The report said "NSA is allowed to unmask the identity for the specific requesting recipient only under certain conditions and where specific additional controls are in place" and those conditions were met for "654 U.S. person identities" in 2015.

That means Americans were identified in 26 percent of the cases, or roughly one in four intelligence reports.
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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #64 on: April 05, 2017, 06:20:28 PM »
Lawmakers say intel agencies stonewalling on surveillance probe

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/lawmakers-say-intel-agencies-stonewalling-on-surveillance-probe.html

Lawmakers probing the surveillance of key officials in the Trump campaign and administration say the intelligence agencies now nominally under the president’s control are stonewalling efforts to get to the bottom of who revealed names and leaked protected information to the press.

The House and Senate Intelligence Committees are currently investigating allegations the Obama administration spied on Trump associates – and possibly Trump himself – for as long as the year preceding his inauguration. And while former Obama National Security Adviser Susan Rice has been implicated as at least one of the officials who sought redacted names from surveillance transcripts, multiple lawmakers and investigators for the panel told Fox News the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency - all agencies in position to aid the probe – are not cooperating.

“Our requests are simply not being answered,” said one House Intelligence committee source about the lack of responsiveness. "The agencies are not really helping at all and there is truly a massive web for us to try and wade through.”

A Senate Intelligence Committee source said the upper chamber had the same experience.
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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2017, 07:53:57 PM »
Trump supporters are on a whole other level of retarded. 

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2017, 07:54:36 PM »
Of course they are stalling. It's their jobs/pensions at stake.

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #67 on: April 05, 2017, 09:20:23 PM »
Trump supporters are on a whole other level of retarded. 

Yet still not dumb enough to get caught in a bald-faced lie on national TV twice.

Susan Rice is Loretta Lynch without the cankles

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #68 on: April 06, 2017, 02:34:37 AM »
Trump supporters are on a whole other level of retarded. 

WTF?! I love weaponizing the intelligence communities for political reasons now!!!  ::)


You know if this was Dick Cheney, and not Susan Rice, you'd be all over it (and so would the MSM).


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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2017, 07:51:30 AM »
WTF?! I love weaponizing the intelligence communities for political reasons now!!!  ::)


You know if this was Dick Cheney, and not Susan Rice, you'd be all over it (and so would the MSM).


There's no indication that that's what happened, though. I keep asking myself would this story be a bigger deal to me if it had happened following Obama's inauguration, but the thing is you cannot separate team trump's activities from the subsequent incidental surveillance.


From an article posted above:

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But the most recent government data shows that unmasking or identifying Americans happens in a limited number of cases. The Office for the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees the 17 intelligence agencies, said "...in 2015, NSA disseminated 4,290 FAA Section 702 intelligence reports that included U.S. person information. Of those 4,290 reports, the U.S. person information was masked in 3,168 reports and unmasked in 1,122 reports."


This does not make unmasking sound like a limited procedure. If you work 5 days a week, this is roughly every report you receive on friday and half of the ones you get on thursday in the afternoon. It's not something that almost never happens and if you think about it logically, it couldn't be. If  a report deals with several Americans, it would be almost incomprehensible without the names being unmasked.





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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #70 on: April 07, 2017, 12:48:40 PM »
Susan Rice, Obama colleagues take heat for past claims on Syria chemical weapons purge
By  Barnini Chakraborty   
Published April 07, 2017
FoxNews.com

Susan Rice and other former Obama administration officials are taking heat for past claims that their 2013 Syria agreement successfully led to the Assad regime purging its entire chemical weapons stockpile -- in the wake of this week's alleged sarin gas attack.

On Thursday, President Trump launched a targeted strike at a Syrian airfield in response to what he called a barbaric chemical attack on innocent civilians at the hand of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

“There can be no dispute that Syria used banned chemical weapons, violated its obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention and ignored the urging of the U.N. Security Council,” Trump said.

Video footage from the chemical attack scene immediately raised credibility problems for claims made by members of the Obama administration that the prior agreement had rid the war-torn country of chemical agents.

During an interview this past January with National Public Radio, former National Security Adviser Rice touted the “success” in Syria, in striking a deal with Russia's help that resulted in the prior administration dropping the threat of military action.

“We were able to find a solution that didn’t necessitate the use of force that actually removed the chemical weapons that were known from Syria, in a way that the use of force would never have accomplished,” she boasted. “We were able to get the Syrian government to voluntarily and verifiably give up its chemical weapons stockpile.”

Rice has come under fire for making misleading comments in the past. Most recently, she grabbed headlines for allegedly being tied to allegations of improper surveillance of the Trump team prior to his inauguration.

Rice isn’t the only Obama-era official who made self-congratulatory statements about removing chemical weapons from Syria.

In July 2014, then-Secretary of State John Kerry went on NBC’s “Meet the Press” to discuss the September 2013 deal that resulted in Russia agreeing to help confiscate and then destroy Syria’s stockpile.

“We struck a deal where we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out,” Kerry claimed.

At the time, the fact-checking website PolitiFact found Kerry’s comments to be “mostly true.” However, given new evidence that Assad had recently used chemical weapons against his own people, PolitiFact was forced to revisit and revise its assessment of Kerry’s claims.

“We don’t know key details about the reported chemical attack in Syria on April 4, 2017, but it raises two clear possibilities: Either Syria never fulling complied with its 2013 promise to reveal all of its chemical weapons; or it did, but then converted otherwise non-lethal chemicals to military uses.

“One way or another, subsequent events have proved Kerry wrong,” the site ruled.

In August 2016, a U.N. report revealed that Assad had used chlorine gas against civilians on two separate occasions since the 2013 deal – a clear violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention. Despite that report, members of the Obama administration continued to claim they had been successful in disarming Assad’s chemical weapons arsenal.

They routinely touted the diplomatic nature of the joint U.S.-and-Russia brokered deal.

Obama issued his infamous “red line” warning to Syria’s leader in 2012 not to use chemical weapons. In 2013, when reports surfaced that Assad used sarin gas to kill his people, the deal to remove chemical weapons was intended to avert military action.

The president himself on Aug. 18. 2014 said that “the most lethal declared chemical weapons possessed by the Syrian regime were destroyed by dedicated U.S. civilian and military professionals” and that it had been done “several weeks ahead of schedule.”

On Jan. 6, 2015, then-White House Press Secretary John Earnest praised Russia for its role in destroying the chemical weapons stockpile of the Assad regime.

“That was an important step, because it reduced, or essentially eliminated, the proliferation risk from that declared chemical weapons stockpile, that we could essentially destroy those chemical weapons and ensure that terrorists would not be able to get their hands on them and use them in other places.”

Five months later on June 17, 2015,  Earnest said that the “declared chemical weapons stockpile that Assad previously denied existed has now been acknowledged, rounded up, removed from the country and destroyed precisely because of the work of this administration and our successful efforts to work with the Russians to accomplish that goal.”

On Thursday night, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson slammed Russia for failing to do its part in preventing the Syrian government from using chemical weapons, despite the 2013 agreement to remove weapons from the country.

“Either Russia has been complicit or Russia has been simply incompetent,” Tillerson said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/07/susan-rice-obama-colleagues-take-heat-for-past-claims-on-syria-chemical-weapons-purge.html

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2017, 05:16:59 PM »
Sooooo any movement on this?

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2017, 05:25:21 PM »
Sooooo any movement on this?

How about Lois Lerner?

Our retarded phony coach was convinced that The House was going to file charges

I'm sure that happened and Faux News just forgot to report it

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2017, 05:27:47 PM »
Sooooo any movement on this?

Haha

“I think it’s going to be the biggest story,” Trump said. “It’s such an important story for our country and the world. It is one of the big stories of our time.”

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Re: Not Looking Good for Susan Rice
« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2017, 05:40:53 PM »
Sooooo any movement on this?

Not since Susan Rice proved herself to be a serial liar (again).