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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #175 on: December 10, 2025, 12:19:09 AM »
Okay. Atheists often make a lot of assumptions — specifically about the underlying properties of the Universe. They take the existing framework as a given. But if you start with nothing, you can’t just assume the Universe will conveniently come with E = mc², gravity, hydrogen, helium, the strong and weak nuclear forces, or the precise conditions needed for star formation.

If the starting point is truly nothing, then where do these laws and constants come from? How do you “get” a Universe in which hydrogen clouds can collapse under gravity and ignite nuclear fusion to form stars? You can’t assume any of these attributes will simply pop into existence without an explanation.
I agree.

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« Reply #176 on: December 10, 2025, 04:27:02 AM »
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."
-- Dr. George Wald, Professor Emeritus of Biology at Harvard University, winner of the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine

Completely false. There might be many possibilities but something supernatural is not one of them.

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« Reply #177 on: December 10, 2025, 04:29:07 AM »
Completely false. There might be many possibilities but something supernatural is not one of them.
man was created by beings from other worlds.

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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #178 on: December 10, 2025, 05:19:40 AM »
man was created by beings from other worlds.


No evidence for that so false.

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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #179 on: December 10, 2025, 05:25:51 AM »

No evidence for that so false.
do some research ...

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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #180 on: December 10, 2025, 10:50:18 AM »

No evidence for that so false.
a lack of evidence isnt a conclusion..

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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #181 on: December 10, 2025, 04:22:36 PM »
Go to church and get right with God, go to a nondenominational church or Baptist church, glory to God

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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #182 on: December 10, 2025, 07:44:17 PM »
a lack of evidence isnt a conclusion..

Stop the bullshit. No evidence = we conclude there are no aliens or anything supernatural until we do have hard evidence. So far nil. Of course the naive will believe almost anything.

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« Reply #183 on: December 10, 2025, 08:03:28 PM »
Stop the bullshit. No evidence = we conclude there are no aliens or anything supernatural until we do have hard evidence. So far nil. Of course the naive will believe almost anything.
You’re saying “no evidence = we conclude there’s no supernatural cause, no aliens, no anything.” But that logic cuts both ways. There is also no evidence that the Universe can arise from true nothing by purely natural processes. Not “a vacuum,” not “quantum fields,” not “energy fluctuations” — those aren’t nothing. Those are somethings.

If your position is that the Universe emerged naturally, you’re still assuming an unexplained starting point. That’s not evidence-based; it’s a philosophical preference  just like believing in a creator is a philosophical preference.

So if you reject the supernatural due to lack of evidence, you also have to reject “natural origins from nothing” for the same reason. Otherwise it’s not science you’re defending, it’s your personal worldview.

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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #184 on: December 10, 2025, 10:02:57 PM »
Go to church and get right with God, go to a nondenominational church or Baptist church, glory to God

There is no evidence for God

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« Reply #185 on: Today at 12:54:35 AM »
There is no evidence for God
“No evidence for God”? The entire Universe is evidence. Claiming there’s no evidence is like walking out of a forest, seeing a perfectly built house, and insisting no one built it.

And it’s a bold claim to say “no evidence” when we still can’t explain how you get anything — laws of physics, energy, matter — from absolute nothing. If you can’t even explain the existence of the stage, you don’t get to declare there’s no evidence for the playwright.

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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #186 on: Today at 05:18:51 AM »
There is no evidence for God

True. On the other hand, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The rest of this post isn't at you MuscleBuff. I'm just posting random thoughts on the topic to anyone who likes walls of text.

I'm inclined to see things the way Obsidian has been posting. At the fundamental level in our universe, we still have too many unexplained things to posit that we can be sure there is no god. I'm equally inclined to roll my eyes at those who assert there MUST be a god, as those who assert there absolutely is NO god. Only fools are certain (I'm not calling you or anyone a fool here...merely just throwing out pleasantries).

The fundamental wave equation for particles only describes what we observe, but an equation that describes observations at an average level of probabilities is itself not "fundamentally true"; it merely provides outcomes that match what we can "see".

We do not know the underlying nature of the fundamental fields from which the particle theory of quantum mechanics emerges. We fully admit that some of the key forces in our universe (dark energy) remain completely hidden to us. Dark matter shapes our galaxies, and remains hidden to us so we "fudge around it" and say "there's stuff we can't explain".

The JWT continues to capture images of galaxies that have redshifted so much that it strains the understanding of the Big Bang.

With so much yet still to "know", it seems premature to say that we can close the book on the existence of a god(s).

Figure this; the "gating" events of evolution of life on earth might have come down, fundamentally, to the development of eukaryotic cells. How finite an occurrence, that happened when it did? That one prokaryote ate another and instead of digesting it, became symbiotic with it? So random...and possible in an infinite universe. But can we be sure there wasn't a helping hand?

The Fermi Paradox gives me the ability to sleep at night. At its root, it wonders "in an infinite universe with near infinite galaxies and star systems and likelihood for potential habitable planets, where the fuck are all the aliens?". I like to think that if they're out there, and they came about when the universe was "younger" than it is now, then any contact they make with us will be hundreds of millions of years in the making and would have passed us by whilst we climbed out of the primordial ooze. Today, that same signal would be from a species so far advanced, they'd be indistinguishable from Gods, as far as we're concerned. The old "Prometheus" story from Hollywood, if you will.

If there are advanced species, and I believe they're likely out there, we are likely unable to understand them, and would likely experience them as gods if we could understand them. Just think; show something as banal as an iphone today to a man from the 1400's, and he'd say it was sorcery or maybe call you a god. And that's only 600 years or so. What would a species do with a million year head start, and how would we experience them? Or flip the example on its head; imagine you had a spacecraft and could travel to a distant star in a galaxy, found a planet, and saw that there were small nematodes and mosses on the planet. If those things had anything resembling a consciousness, wouldn't it be fair to say you would be seen as a "god" to those beings, if they had the ability to "experience your presence" at all?


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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #187 on: Today at 09:27:02 AM »
Stop the bullshit. No evidence = we conclude there are no aliens or anything supernatural until we do have hard evidence. So far nil. Of course the naive will believe almost anything.

Thats not a logical skeptics viewpoint

Just because there isnt any evidence of Aliens doesnt mean there are none.

Evidence proves positive, no evidence isnt proof of a definite negative.

On the balance of probabilities there are no aliens based on the lack of evidence but its not a definite