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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #200 on: Today at 12:03:17 PM »
Many primitive religions have creation myths that line up better with God of the gaps magical cosmos creator theory than the absurd and extensively debunked Judeo Chrstian faith.

For instance:

Mbűngi (also called mwasi and mpampa) was symbolized as a circle of emptiness. The creator god Nzambi, along with his female counterpart called Nzambici, is believed to have created a spark of fire, called kalűnga, and summoned it inside of mbűngi. Kalűnga grew and became a great force of energy inside of mbűngi, creating a mass of fusion. When the mass grew too hot, the heated force caused the mass to break apart and hurl projectiles outside of mbűngi. Those projectiles became individual masses that scattered about, and when the fires cooled, planets were created. This was the process Nzambi used to create the universe, with the Sun, stars, planets, etc. Nzambi Ampungu then became Kalűnga, the god of fire and change.[3][4

So if you are going to be a God of the gaps apologist, don't be a Christian one and find religions that at least vaguely align with scientific understanding

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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #201 on: Today at 12:06:44 PM »
I agree with that. I’m in the same camp as Elon Musk — there’s a Creator, but religions have just put different labels on it. I don’t get caught up in the various traditions or rituals, and I don’t see the Creator as a personal God.

Well yes, at that point the difference between theists and atheists becomes abstract. If not a personal being, who is to say your "creator" is not the sum of innate forces moving the universe, pretty much the same as what atheists believe without mystical angles

So why do "sophisticated" scientific apologists still peddle Christianity?

The answer is as always: cold hard dollars

Ain't nobody buying your books and following you if you aren't promising eternal life to the paupers. Sad but fact of life.

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« Reply #202 on: Today at 04:34:14 PM »
In logic a false premise can lead to both true and false conclusions. We use words that we have no idea what they stand for. Clearly bullshit will follow false premises.This is demonstrated in this thread. Science advances without any appeal to the supernatural. Throw all religions in the philosophical garbage can and leave them there!

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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #203 on: Today at 04:47:32 PM »
Well yes, at that point the difference between theists and atheists becomes abstract. If not a personal being, who is to say your "creator" is not the sum of innate forces moving the universe, pretty much the same as what atheists believe without mystical angles

So why do "sophisticated" scientific apologists still peddle Christianity?

The answer is as always: cold hard dollars

Ain't nobody buying your books and following you if you aren't promising eternal life to the paupers. Sad but fact of life.
I’m not saying the Bible is a science textbook or that Genesis is meant to be read as literal gospel. But it is interesting that thousands of years ago, people described a creation sequence that broadly mirrors the scientific picture we now accept.

If you read each “day” as a stage, the alignment looks like this:

Day 1 – “Let there be light.”
The universe becomes filled with light (Big Bang → transparent cosmos).
A long era passes while galaxies, stars, and eventually the Sun form.

Day 2 – Separation of waters (oceans below / atmosphere above).
Early Earth cools, forms a dense atmosphere, and then oceans.

Day 3 – Land appears; vegetation begins.
Continents rise; early photosynthetic life develops long before animals.

Day 4 – Sun, Moon, and stars become visible.
They already existed, but Earth’s atmosphere only becomes clear later.

Day 5 – Sea life → flying creatures.
Life begins in the oceans; flying creatures evolve much later.

Day 6 – Land animals → humans.
Animals dominate the land first; humans arrive last.

Not proof of anything by itself, but the sequence is remarkably similar. It’s just one of those interesting places where ancient imagery and modern science line up better than most people think.

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Re: Atheism Is Pure BS
« Reply #204 on: Today at 04:53:51 PM »
In logic a false premise can lead to both true and false conclusions. We use words that we have no idea what they stand for. Clearly bullshit will follow false premises.This is demonstrated in this thread. Science advances without any appeal to the supernatural. Throw all religions in the philosophical garbage can and leave them there!
Science is great at describing what happens after a universe exists. It doesn’t tell us why there’s a universe in the first place, or how you get laws, energy, space, and time from a state with none of those things.

People often say, “There’s no evidence for a creator.” Fair enough — but the same applies to the idea that a universe can appear from absolute nothing. Not a quantum vacuum, not a field, not a fluctuation. Literal nothing. There’s no evidence for that either.

So we’re really looking at two philosophical starting points:
  • A creative cause behind the universe, or
  • A universe that appears from nothing with no cause at all.
Both are assumptions. Neither side has empirical data about the actual origin point.

And the “no evidence” line doesn’t really settle anything. The universe itself is the one thing we do have. Treating its existence as a non-issue is like walking past a functioning engine and insisting it assembled itself because you didn’t see the mechanic.

Nobody has to sign up for religion, but pretending the origin question has been answered — or doesn’t matter — just sidesteps the biggest unknown we’ve got.