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Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« on: May 15, 2017, 10:38:31 AM »
with the phrase "What the hell do you have to lose"

Rand Paul gives you the answer

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Rand Paul: Sessions' sentencing plan would ruin lives
By Rand Paul

The attorney general on Friday made an unfortunate announcement that will impact the lives of millions of Americans: he issued new instructions for prosecutors to charge suspects with the most serious provable offenses, "those that carry the most substantial guidelines sentence, including mandatory minimum sentences."

Mandatory minimum sentences have unfairly and disproportionately incarcerated a generation of minorities. Eric Holder, the attorney general under President Obama, issued guidelines to U.S. Attorneys that they should refrain from seeking long sentences for nonviolent drug offenders.
I agreed with him then and still do. In fact, I'm the author of a bipartisan bill with Senator Leahy to change the law on this matter. Until we pass that bill, though, the discretion on enforcement -- and the lives of many young drug offenders -- lies with the current attorney general

The attorney general's new guidelines, a reversal of a policy that was working, will accentuate the injustice in our criminal justice system. We should be treating our nation's drug epidemic for what it is -- a public health crisis, not an excuse to send people to prison and turn a mistake into a tragedy.

And make no mistake, the lives of many drug offenders are ruined the day they receive that long sentence the attorney general wants them to have.
If I told you that one out of three African-American males is forbidden by law from voting, you might think I was talking about Jim Crow 50 years ago.
Yet today, a third of African-American males are still prevented from voting, primarily because of the War on Drugs.

The War on Drugs has disproportionately affected young black males.
The ACLU reports that blacks are four to five times likelier to be convicted for drug possession, although surveys indicate that blacks and whites use drugs at similar rates. The majority of illegal drug users and dealers nationwide are white, but three-fourths of all people in prison for drug offenses are African American or Latino.

Why are the arrest rates so lopsided? Because it is easier to go into urban areas and make arrests than suburban areas. Arrest statistics matter when cities apply for federal grants. It doesn't take much imagination to understand that it's easier to round up, arrest, and convict poor kids than it is to convict rich kids.

The San Jose Mercury News reviewed nearly 700,000 criminal cases that were matched by crime and criminal history of the defendant. Their analysis showed that whites of similar situation were far more successful in the plea bargaining process and "virtually every stage of pretrial negotiation" than their African-American and Latino counterparts.

I know a guy about my age in Kentucky who was arrested and convicted for growing marijuana plants in his apartment closet in college. Thirty years later, he still can't vote, can't own a gun, and, when he looks for work, he must check the box -- the box that basically says, "I'm a convicted felon, and I guess I'll always be one." He hasn't been arrested or convicted for 30 years -- but still can't vote or have his Second Amendment rights. Getting a job is nearly impossible for him. Mandatory sentencing automatically imposes a minimum number of years in prison for specific crimes -- usually related to drugs.

By design, mandatory sentencing laws take discretion away from judges so as to impose harsh sentences, regardless of circumstances. Our prison population, meanwhile, has increased by over 700% since the 1980s, and 90% of them are nonviolent offenders. The costs of our prison system now approach nearly $100 billion a year. It costs too much, in both the impact on people's lives and on our tax dollars.

I want to go the opposite way from the attorney general. That's why I've partnered with Senator Leahy and once again will be reintroducing the Justice Safety Valve Act.
This isn't about legalizing drugs. It is about making the punishment more fitting and not ruining more lives. The legislation is short and simple. It amends current law to grant judges authority to impose a sentence below a statutory mandatory minimum.

In other words, we are not repealing mandatory minimums on the books -- we are merely allowing a judge to issue a sentence below a mandatory minimum if certain requirements are met.

We need this legislation because while there is an existing safety valve in current law, it is very limited. It has a strict five-part test, and only about 23% of all drug offenders qualified for the safety valve. The injustice of mandatory minimum sentences is impossible to ignore when you hear the stories of the victims.

John Horner was a 46-year-old father of three when he sold some of his prescription painkillers to a friend.  His friend turned out to be a police informant, and he was charged with dealing drugs. Horner pleaded guilty and was later sentenced to the mandatory minimum of 25 years in jail.
As I testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Edward Clay was an 18-year-old and a first-time offender when he was caught with less than 2 ounces of cocaine. He received 10 years in jail from a mandatory minimum sentence.

Weldon Angelos was a 24-year-old who was sentenced to 55 years in prison for selling marijuana three times.  Former federal judge Timothy Lewis recalls a case where he had to send a 19-year-old to prison for 10 years for conspiracy. What was the "conspiracy"?
This young man had been in a car where drugs were found. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure one of us might have been in a car in our youth where someone might have had drugs. Before the arrest, according to news reports, this young man was going to be the first in his family to go to college. Each case should be judged on its own merits. Mandatory minimums prevent this from happening

Mandatory minimum sentencing has done little to address the very real problem of drug abuse while also doing great damage by destroying so many lives, and most Americans now realize it.
Proposition 47 recently passed in California, and it has spurred a cultural change in the way nonviolent drug offenders are treated, resulting in more than 13,000 fewer prisoners and a savings of $150 million, according to a Stanford Law School study.

Pew Research found that 67% of Americans want drug offenders to get treatment, not prison, and over 60% want an end to mandatory minimum sentences.

I urge the attorney general to reconsider his recent action. But even more importantly, I urge my colleagues to consider bipartisan legislation to fix this problem in the law where it should be handled. Congress can end this injustice, and I look forward to leading this fight for justice.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/15/opinions/sessions-is-wrong-rand-paul-opinion/index.html

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2017, 10:46:16 AM »
with the phrase "What the hell do you have to lose"

Rand Paul gives you the answer

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/15/opinions/sessions-is-wrong-rand-paul-opinion/index.html

If blacks and yourself are not committing serious crimes why are you worried ?

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 10:51:19 AM »
If blacks and yourself are not committing serious crimes why are you worried ?

here's an idea

how about you read Rand Pauls article before you ask stupid questions

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2017, 06:15:59 PM »
here's an idea

how about you read Rand Pauls article before you ask stupid questions




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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2017, 06:23:27 PM »
here's an idea

how about you read Rand Pauls article before you ask stupid questions

I agree w those addicted.   But I would execute dealers on the spot.

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2017, 07:15:34 PM »
I agree w those addicted.   But I would execute dealers on the spot.

glad you finally read it

when you say stuff like this it's hard to believe you're an attorney

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 08:40:52 AM »
California Congresswoman Maxine Waters has been calling for the impeachment of President Trump but now there are those calling for her to be kicked out of office.

Standing outside the congresswoman’s home in L.A. are over a dozen protesters, a mariachi band and Omar Navarro. He ran against Waters and lost in 2016 but he’s getting ready for round two in 2018.

“‘Hashtag Impeach Maxine’. See Maxine is talking about impeaching President Donald Trump and yet she doesn’t ask herself what about her? What about her not doing her job for 35 years?”, asked Navarro.

Members of the black community and Latinos for Trump are out here protesting, calling for Waters to resign.

The congresswoman was not home at the time of protest.

Congresswoman Maxine Waters has been making national headlines, calling for the president to be impeached. But outside her home, over a dozen protesters were calling her out.

“She is not representing her constituents, especially the black constituents.”

“She thinks by  putting down our president, we’re going to like her more. Every time she talks, she makes me want to throw up.”

The protesters, accompanied by a mariachi band, are in support of her 2018 congressional opponent Omar Navarro who also attended the protest.

Rep. Waters was not home at the time of the protest.


http://www.kabc.com/2017/05/15/impeach-maxine-waters-ask-the-protesters/
 

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 08:52:19 AM »
glad you finally read it

when you say stuff like this it's hard to believe you're an attorney

Drug Dealers are poisoning the nation and killing so many people w heroin, other shit etc. 

Should be shot on site. 

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 09:00:56 AM »
Drug Dealers are poisoning the nation and killing so many people w heroin, other shit etc. 

Should be shot on site. 

so you're admitting you're not really an attorney

since you've just said you don't care about due process or any other part of the rule of law let's just explore your insane belief

"on site" where?

or did you mean "on sight" and in that case by whom?


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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 12:51:28 PM »
so you're admitting you're not really an attorney

since you've just said you don't care about due process or any other part of the rule of law let's just explore your insane belief

"on site" where?

or did you mean "on sight" and in that case by whom?



STFU gimmick.   Drug Dealers should be treated like vermin in the commission of a crime and dealt with as such.  Why are you so supportive of these animals poisoning the country? 


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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 01:11:20 PM »
STFU gimmick.   Drug Dealers should be treated like vermin in the commission of a crime and dealt with as such.  Why are you so supportive of these animals poisoning the country? 



so you can't even answer a specific question regarding your own comment and now you're calling me a gimmick?

I'm not supporting drug dealers you dumb fuck

I'm supporting the legal system that you claimn to be a part of

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2017, 01:19:20 PM »
so you can't even answer a specific question regarding your own comment and now you're calling me a gimmick?

I'm not supporting drug dealers you dumb fuck

I'm supporting the legal system that you claimn to be a part of

Meltdown

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2017, 01:28:22 PM »
Meltdown

Meltdown

says the person who can't even respond to questions about his own statements

btw - pretty obvious that you and Hockey Fight Fan are the same person

you're the only two people on this board that are obvious self loathing closet cases

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2017, 01:31:04 PM »
says the person who can't even respond to questions about his own statements

btw - pretty obvious that you and Hockey Fight Fan are the same person

you're the only two people on this board that are obvious self loathing closet cases

Outed.  ::) :-\

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2017, 01:31:22 PM »
says the person who can't even respond to questions about his own statements

btw - pretty obvious that you and Hockey Fight Fan are the same person

you're the only two people on this board that are obvious self loathing closet cases

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2017, 03:24:08 PM »
Trump is better for blacks than Hillary
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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2017, 03:59:04 PM »
Trump is better for blacks than Hillary

brilliant post

how about adding some details as to why he is better in your opinion

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2017, 04:21:52 PM »
Trump is better for blacks than Hillary

This mandatory sentencing is not better for black people, white people, brown people, or any other color of person.

This is and always has been a travesty.

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2017, 09:48:41 PM »
brilliant post

how about adding some details as to why he is better in your opinion


Trump only cares about the color of money....not the color of another man.  He'll do business with anyone who will make him money.



Hillary on the other hand called us Super Predators and she has time and time again proven to simply not give a shit about blacks....look what her husband, Bill said about Barack in 2008 after he won the primary.  Hillary went as far as to tell some brews that she keeps hot sauce in her purse like Beyonce.... ::) 


Trump is a horrible person but he's definitely not a racist.
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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2017, 09:51:04 PM »

Trump only cares about the color of money....not the color of another man.  He'll do business with anyone who will make him money.



Hillary on the other hand called us Super Predators and she has time and time again proven to simply not give a shit about blacks....look what her husband, Bill said about Barack in 2008 after he won the primary.  Hillary went as far as to tell some brews that she keeps hot sauce in her purse like Beyonce.... ::) 


Trump is a horrible person but he's definitely not a racist.

nice speech

now, how is he "better for blacks" than Hillary?

either current deeds or future plans

whatever way you want to go

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2017, 10:05:40 PM »
Trump is better for blacks than Hillary

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2017, 10:07:55 PM »
nice speech

now, how is he "better for blacks" than Hillary?

either current deeds or future plans

whatever way you want to go



I don't think you get it.  My opinion is basically the equivalent of choosing to work in a cotton field than being hung by a noose.... ;D
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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2017, 10:18:13 PM »


I don't think you get it.  My opinion is basically the equivalent of choosing to work in a cotton field than being hung by a noose.... ;D


you're right

I don't get it

which party is the noose and which one is the cotton field ?

at the present moment you're either standing in a cotton field or noticing an increasingly worrisome rope burn


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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2017, 07:46:33 PM »
Awwwww.....someone needs their safe space!

I'm 100% sure Skeeter will support you in your "Timmy Fogarty" time of need.

MAGA bitches, eight years of Trump buttfucking liberal snowflakes

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Re: Remember when Trump appealed to black voters
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2017, 03:36:26 AM »
We give everyone a lot of leeway on this board, because most of have thick skin, but don't let your only contribution to the board become attacking other members.  Thanks.

OUTED. Hockeyfightfag is a Dos Equis gimmick.
Clearly since you allow this piece of shit to derail entire threads with no consequences it must be true.  ::)