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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #500 on: April 04, 2018, 11:41:13 AM »
When will the media accept that Trump is not a criminal target?
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 04/04/18
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In terminal medical cases, doctors often deal with patients who move through “stages” that begin with denial. These so-called Kübler-Ross stages can be a long road toward acceptance. A weird form of Kübler-Ross seems to have taken hold of the media. Rather than refusing to accept indicators of impending death, many journalists and analysts seem incapable of accepting signs that the Trump presidency could survive.

That painful process was more evident Tuesday night when the Washington Post reported that special counsel Robert Mueller told the White House last month that Trump was not considered a “target” but only a “subject” of the investigation. After a year of being assured that “bombshell” developments and “smoking gun” evidence was sealing the criminal case against Trump, the dissonance was too great for many who refuse to accept the obvious meaning of this disclosure.

The U.S. Attorney’s manual defines a “subject” as a “person whose conduct is within the scope of the grand jury's investigation.” It is a designation that can change but it is also a meaningful description of the current status of an individual. Mueller at this time apparently does not believe Trump meets the definition of a target or a “person as to whom the prosecutor or the grand jury has substantial evidence linking him or her to the commission of a crime and who, in the judgment of the prosecutor, is a putative defendant.” That would have been less notable when Mueller was appointed in 2017 than it is now, after more than a year, dozens of criminal counts, hundreds of thousands of documents, and a bevy of cooperating witnesses.

That Mueller does not believe there is “substantial evidence linking [Trump] to the commission of a crime” would seem to merit some, albeit grudging, recognition. However, there has been a disturbing lack of objectivity in the coverage of this investigation from the start. Throughout it, some of us have cautioned that the criminal case against Trump was far weaker than media suggested. Fired FBI Director James Comey himself told Congress that Trump was not a target of his investigation. Indeed, Trump was reportedly upset with Comey largely because Comey would not say that publicly.

When Trump fired Comey, I supported the call for a special counsel, and I still support Mueller in completing his investigation. However, the case of criminal conduct by Trump has not materially improved over the last year. Last October, Mueller brought the first indictments against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy, Richard Gates. Notably, none of the indictments were linked to the campaign, let alone Trump. When that obvious point was raised, we were told that it meant nothing and Mueller was likely holding back the really damaging indictments while pressuring Trump aides. Commentators continue to announce “bombshell” disclosures against Trump on a daily basis, with experts alleging clear cases for treason to obstruction to witness tampering and other crimes.

Then, in November, came the disclosure of plea agreements with former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos. However, these pleas were for making individual false statements to federal investigators. Neither the charges nor the narratives in the filings tied Trump or his campaign to any criminal act. Later indictments involving lawyer Alex van der Zwaan and internet operator Richard Pinedo involved a false statement and a single count of identity fraud, again unrelated to Trump or his campaign. Nevertheless, commentators insisted Mueller was just laying the groundwork for his major filing.

In February, Mueller handed down indictments of 13 Russian nationals and three Russian organizations for election-related crimes, from hacking to identity fraud. Not only did these charges not implicate Trump or his campaign, but the filing expressly stated that no one in the Trump campaign knowingly engaged Russians in these efforts. Now, Mueller reportedly has said he does not consider Trump a “target” of the criminal investigation. Looking at each of the prior filings, the disclosure would seem consistent with a lack of compelling evidence of a crime by Trump. Indeed, it would indicate Trump’s status has not changed from when Comey told Congress that Trump was not a target.

Still, some analysts immediately denied that Mueller’s disclosure was anything but bad news for Trump. On CNN, legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin insisted that “being a ‘subject’ is a very serious thing” and a “very significant designation” because it is clear “the FBI is investigating the president.” Of course, the only lower designation in a criminal investigation would be “witness.” Moreover, it was confirmed last year that Trump was being investigated.

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The obvious point is that, after months of investigating Trump, Mueller still does not have sufficient evidence to make him a “target.” True, a “subject” can become a “target” and a “target” can then become a “defendant,” but so can a “witness.” Clearly, Trump is a subject since he was the subject of the election itself and directly involved in the underlying matters under investigation. What is new is that Mueller confirmed Trump’s status has not changed.

Later, CNN analyst John Dean declared that an assurance Trump is not a target “does not mean a whole lot.” Dean’s rationale was that a president “cannot be indicted,” so Mueller would never have listed him as a target, regardless of the evidence. First and foremost, some of us believe a president can be indicted in office. While there is disagreement, including within the Justice Department and past independent counsels, the Supreme Court has never accepted such immunity from indictment.

More important, even if true, such immunity would not mean Mueller would declare Trump is not a target. Rather, Trump would remain a target as an unindicted co-conspirator or simply an unindicted person pending impeachment. Once impeached, he still could be indicted. Thus, it would be both illogical and unethical for Mueller to say Trump is not a target when he was pursuing possible charges, either as an unindicted co-conspirator or a post-impeachment defendant.

CNN analyst Philip Mudd was not satisfied with the “soft” depictions of the Mueller disclosure and declared that it was devastating news that Mueller was now investigating Trump and that, if Trump were declared a subject, “I would wet my pants.” CNN analyst Ryan Lizza went even further, suggesting that this was all a sham and Mueller is playing “chess to get the president into an interview.” Of course, such a bait-and-switch would be unethical in making false representations to the president’s counsel if Trump is already considered a target.

This continued refusal to acknowledge positive developments for Trump is a disturbing pathology. Just because Trump is a subject of investigation does not mean he cannot become a target. Moreover, Mueller as expected has indicated he will prepare a report on his investigation. This still is a positive development for Trump. It shows that Trump’s status has not materially changed but neither has the status of much of the coverage. Many media commentators clearly are stuck on denial and are a long way from acceptance in dealing with the legal status of Donald Trump.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/381593-when-will-the-media-accept-that-trump-is-not-a-criminal-target

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #501 on: April 08, 2018, 04:10:17 PM »
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #502 on: April 08, 2018, 07:49:01 PM »
You can disagree, but what you say is not factual.  Every leak has language like the following from the article I just posted:  "according to people familiar with the investigation." 

In other words, someone working on the case talked to a reporter.  That's a leak. 

I have no idea about the origin of the leaks, but you aren't making sense. Would not the person being investigated/questioned have information to leak?

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #503 on: April 09, 2018, 02:06:05 PM »
I have no idea about the origin of the leaks, but you aren't making sense. Would not the person being investigated/questioned have information to leak?

The person being questioned or investigated doesn't have access to information held by the prosecutors and has no incentive to leak.  You have no idea about the origin of the leaks because you are being willfully blind.  You don't want to say anything that might possibly be helpful to Trump or harmful to Mueller. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #504 on: April 09, 2018, 02:12:34 PM »
Ok.  If I'm tracking, Trump, Clinton, Bernie, Russia, the UAE, and now Stormy Daniels are part of this conspiracy. 

FBI raids home, office of Trump attorney Michael Cohen, under scrutiny over Stormy Daniels payments
Brooke Singman By Brooke Singman   | Fox News

Kevin Corke has the latest on the FBI raid and the government's response to the recent attack in Syria.

The FBI raided President Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen’s home and office to seize a collection of documents Monday, Fox News confirmed.

Federal agents reportedly obtained documents related to several issues, including his payments to adult-film star Stormy Daniels in the weeks leading up to the 2016 presidential election. The New York Times was first to report the raid.

“Today the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,” Cohen’s attorney Stephen Ryan said in a statement Monday. “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

The FBI did not immediately respond to Fox News' request for comment.

A spokesman for the special counsel referred Fox News to U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Title 28, Section 600.4 regarding “additional jurisdiction.”

Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One, the president says he didn't know why his lawyer, Michael Cohen, made the $130,000 payment or where funds came from.

“If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the court of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel’s jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere,” the code reads.

That “elsewhere,” in this case, could be referring to the U.S. Attorneys’ Office in the Southern District of New York.

A spokesman for USDNY declined comment to Fox News.

“The decision by the US Attorney’s Office in New York to conduct their investigation using search warrants is completely inappropriate and unnecessary,” Ryan told Fox News in a statement. “It resulted in the unnecessary seizure of protected attorney client communications between a lawyer and his clients.”

Ryan added: “These government tactics are also wrong because Mr. Cohen has cooperated completely with all government entities, including providing thousands of non-privileged documents to the Congress and sitting for depositions under oath.”

Daniels, whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford, claims to have had a one-time sexual encounter with the president in 2006 and was paid $130,000 by Cohen in the days before the 2016 presidential election as part of a nondisclosure agreement she is seeking to invalidate.

Backlash against her and lawyer after '60 Minutes.'
Daniels and her attorney, Michael Avenatti, are pushing for the president’s and Cohen’s deposition.

“Mr. Cohen has been placed in the crosshairs by Mr. Trump,” Avenatti told Fox News Monday. “He has been set-up to take the fall. An enormous amount of misplaced faith has been placed on his shoulders and I do not believe he has the mettle to withstand it.”

Avenatti added: “If I am correct, this could end very, very badly for Mr. Trump and others.”

Fox News’ John Roberts, Kristin Brown and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/09/fbi-raids-home-office-trump-attorney-michael-cohen-under-scrutiny-over-stormy-daniels-payments.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #505 on: April 09, 2018, 03:16:30 PM »
The person being questioned or investigated doesn't have access to information held by the prosecutors and has no incentive to leak.  You have no idea about the origin of the leaks because you are being willfully blind.  You don't want to say anything that might possibly be helpful to Trump or harmful to Mueller. 

Correction: I know of nothing to say that defends Trump or harms Mueller.

Extramarital affairs should be between the parties involved, unless they include illegal activities. Bill Clinton's mistake was lying. If it's proven that Trump has lied, that could be an issue.

Of course those being investigated don't have access to information outside of what they provided themselves. The incentive might be to take the heat off them and possibly implicate someone else. On the other hand the leaks might be strategic moves on the investigators part.

Does anyone truly know the source of these leaks? And if they don't are they "being willfully blind".


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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #506 on: April 09, 2018, 03:19:13 PM »
Correction: I know of nothing to say that defends Trump or harms Mueller.

Extramarital affairs should be between the parties involved, unless they include illegal activities. Bill Clinton's mistake was lying. If it's proven that Trump has lied, that could be an issue.

Of course those being investigated don't have access to information outside of what they provided themselves. The incentive might be to take the heat off them and possibly implicate someone else. On the other hand the leaks might be strategic moves on the investigators part.

Does anyone truly know the source of these leaks? And if they don't are they "being willfully blind".



Anyone following this who uses reason and common sense knows that Mueller has been leaking info since he started.  That's why we know everything that happens, before it happens. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #507 on: April 09, 2018, 03:59:39 PM »
Anyone following this who uses reason and common sense knows that Mueller has been leaking info since he started.  That's why we know everything that happens, before it happens. 

The real question is why. Like I suggested, it could be a strategic move, or maybe not.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #508 on: April 09, 2018, 04:08:42 PM »
Correction: I know of nothing to say that defends Trump or harms Mueller.

Extramarital affairs should be between the parties involved, unless they include illegal activities. Bill Clinton's mistake was lying. If it's proven that Trump has lied, that could be an issue.

Of course those being investigated don't have access to information outside of what they provided themselves. The incentive might be to take the heat off them and possibly implicate someone else. On the other hand the leaks might be strategic moves on the investigators part.

Does anyone truly know the source of these leaks? And if they don't are they "being willfully blind".



Everyone recalls Clinton's impeachment for lying about an affair, but keep in mind the Whitewater investigation resulted in 15 people being convicted of over 40 crimes, and a sitting governor was removed from office.

Mueller was brought in to investigate Russian collusion - what the hell do Cohen's payment to a porn performer and his legal records have to do with this?

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #509 on: April 09, 2018, 04:18:24 PM »
Everyone recalls Clinton's impeachment for lying about an affair, but keep in mind the Whitewater investigation resulted in 15 people being convicted of over 40 crimes, and a sitting governor was removed from office.

Mueller was brought in to investigate Russian collusion - what the hell do Cohen's payment to a porn performer and his legal records have to do with this?

Petty crimes open the door to higher crimes. As best as I know, campaign finance ethics laws may have been violated prior to Trump's election.

Do you think, when all is said and done with this investigation, more or less players will be convicted of crimes?

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #510 on: April 09, 2018, 04:36:25 PM »
The real question is why. Like I suggested, it could be a strategic move, or maybe not.

I don't know precisely why, but I think it's to damage the credibility of the person or entity being investigated.  

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #511 on: April 09, 2018, 04:38:11 PM »
Petty crimes open the door to higher crimes. As best as I know, campaign finance ethics laws may have been violated prior to Trump's election.

Do you think, when all is said and done with this investigation, more or less players will be convicted of crimes?

I think when all is said and done nobody will be convicted of a crime involving Trump conspiring to win the election to become a Russian puppet.  Zero evidence.  Zero convictions. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #512 on: April 09, 2018, 05:18:30 PM »
I think when all is said and done nobody will be convicted of a crime involving Trump conspiring to win the election to become a Russian puppet.  Zero evidence.  Zero convictions. 

I agree.

But if Mueller gets those 12 Russians to come here (  :D ), he'll likely better Ken Starr's number of convictions; otherwise, I predict fewer convictions. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #513 on: April 09, 2018, 05:21:36 PM »
I agree.

But if Mueller gets those 12 Russians to come here (  :D ), he'll likely better Ken Starr's number of convictions; otherwise, I predict fewer convictions. 

And the convictions are meaningless.  Process crimes for lying about stupid stuff and alleged financial crimes unrelated to the election.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #514 on: April 11, 2018, 03:20:35 PM »
Pure witch hunt.

Raid on Trump’s Lawyer Sought Records on ‘Access Hollywood’ Tape

By MAGGIE HABERMAN, MATT APUZZO and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
APRIL 11, 2018

Michael D. Cohen, President Trump's personal lawyer, in Manhattan on Wednesday. Credit Seth Wenig/Associated Press
The F.B.I. agents who raided the office and hotel of President Trump’s lawyer on Monday were seeking all records related to the “Access Hollywood” tape in which Mr. Trump was heard making vulgar comments about women, according to three people who have been briefed on the contents of a federal search warrant.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/us/politics/michael-cohen-trump-access-hollywood.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #515 on: April 11, 2018, 04:08:35 PM »

Ridiculous


Pure witch hunt.

Raid on Trump’s Lawyer Sought Records on ‘Access Hollywood’ Tape

By MAGGIE HABERMAN, MATT APUZZO and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
APRIL 11, 2018

Michael D. Cohen, President Trump's personal lawyer, in Manhattan on Wednesday. Credit Seth Wenig/Associated Press
The F.B.I. agents who raided the office and hotel of President Trump’s lawyer on Monday were seeking all records related to the “Access Hollywood” tape in which Mr. Trump was heard making vulgar comments about women, according to three people who have been briefed on the contents of a federal search warrant.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/us/politics/michael-cohen-trump-access-hollywood.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #516 on: April 16, 2018, 06:07:06 PM »
I'm sure the report will provide damning evidence of the Trump, Russia, Clinton, Bernie, UAE, Cohen et al. conspiracy to get Trump elected president.

Mueller has reportedly decided to move forward without an interview with Trump
Sonam Sheth 
Apr. 12, 2018 

The special counsel Robert Mueller is preparing to move forward without an interview with President Donald Trump in his obstruction-of-justice case, according to NBC News.

Trump was leaning toward granting Mueller an interview but is said to have decided against it following the FBI's raids of his personal lawyer's hotel room and office this week.

Experts say that even without an interview with Trump — who's at the center of the obstruction case — Mueller most likely has enough evidence to present his findings to Congress.

The special counsel Robert Mueller's team is moving forward on the assumption that it will not secure an interview with President Donald Trump, NBC News reported Thursday.

Trump's lawyers and Mueller's team had for months been negotiating the terms of an interview between the two sides.

On Monday, NBC News reported, Trump's lawyers were in the final stages of determining the scope, timing, and length of an interview and were poised to bring attorneys onto the team to prepare Trump for the impending sit-down. But those talks fell through when it surfaced that the FBI that morning raided the hotel room and office of Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer.

The raid apparently enraged Trump, who believes it crossed the "red line" he said investigators would breach if they looked into his or his family's finances.

Earlier this month, The Washington Post reported that Mueller's team was putting together a report about Trump's conduct in office and possible obstruction of justice.

Mueller is tasked with investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 US election, and a significant thread in the inquiry is whether the president sought to obstruct justice when he fired James Comey as FBI director last year.

Comey had publicly confirmed the existence of the Russia investigation months before his firing, and he was in charge of overseeing it at the time of his dismissal.

Since then, news reports and a string of public statements from Trump have raised questions about the circumstances surrounding Comey's firing and whether Trump had the right to fire the FBI director if his intent were to hamper a criminal investigation involving him and his associates.

In addition to Comey's firing, Mueller was also looking into Trump's role in crafting a misleading statement his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., released in response to reports that he met with two Russian lobbyists in June 2016, and into Trump's efforts to pressure Attorney General Jeff Sessions to reverse his recusal from the Russia investigation.

And in a new development, NBC News reported that Mueller was investigating whether Trump's former lawyer floated pardons to critical witnesses in the investigation.

According to the report, Mueller has collected evidence on all those threads in the obstruction inquiry.

Mueller's team was aiming to finalize the report on its findings as early as May or as late as July. But if the special counsel has decided to proceed without an interview, the timeline may shorten.

The outlet described two sources familiar with the investigation as expecting "a flurry of activity" out of Mueller's office in the next six weeks.

Alex Whiting, a former federal prosecutor who is now a professor at Harvard Law School, said the NBC News report wasn't surprising.

"I am sure that Mueller's team has enough evidence to draw conclusions on the obstruction prong without an interview with Trump," Whiting said. "An interview of the potential target of the investigation is always helpful, but most criminal investigations conclude without such an interview, because targets assert their Fifth Amendment privilege not to testify."

Subpoenaing Trump is a 'strategic choice' that Mueller most likely won't pursue
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Mueller has the option of subpoenaing Trump for an interview, but legal experts unequivocally said that would lead to a prolonged battle in court.

NBC News reported that if Trump were to decline a voluntary sit-down with the special counsel, his lawyers would argue that because a sitting president cannot be indicted, he also cannot be subpoenaed.

Whiting said that whether Mueller subpoenas Trump to testify before a grand jury was "really a strategic choice."

"He will have to decide whether it is worth the time to litigate the matter," he said. "Even if they prevailed on the subpoena, Trump himself could always assert his Fifth Amendment privilege, though it would be politically costly to do so."

For that reason, Mueller is likely to move ahead with putting together his report without an interview.

News that Mueller is preparing a report about those circumstances lays out some important clues about the direction of the investigation.

It could indicate one of three things, according to Jeffrey Cramer, a former federal prosecutor who spent 12 years at the Department of Justice:

The president did nothing wrong and will not be charged.
Mueller found some indication of criminal activity but might not have enough evidence to indict Trump.
Mueller does have enough evidence to indict Trump but may decide he does not have the authority to charge the president based on Department of Justice precedent.
Legal experts say that because of existing Justice Department policy, it is unlikely Mueller will indict Trump if he has found evidence of wrongdoing.

They added that the decision about how to proceed once Mueller issues his report would fall to Congress, which is authorized to impeach the president — and where such a document could prove most consequential.

Mueller's office has so far charged 19 people, including 13 Russian nationals. The indictments — as well as the charges against Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman — draw a stark and detailed picture of the allegations of criminal conduct.

"Similar to the Manafort and Russian indictments, I expect any report [about Trump] to lay out in painstaking detail the facts they uncovered," Cramer said.

Mueller is mandated to provide reports of his findings to Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who appointed him as the special counsel in May. But whether those findings are released to the public is Rosenstein's decision.

Whiting said he found it "striking" that "Mueller seems to be preparing the report with an expectation that it will eventually become public."

He added: "Once the investigation is completed, I think it will be very difficult to keep Mueller's conclusions secret."

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-trump-interview-in-the-russia-investigation-may-not-happen-2018-4

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #517 on: April 27, 2018, 02:09:45 PM »
House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied, despite guilty plea
Judson Berger By Judson Berger   | Fox News

Washington Examiner's Byron York discusses why former national security adviser Michael Flynn is considering withdrawing his guilty plea in the Mueller investigation.

House Intelligence Committee Republicans, in their newly released report concluding their Russia investigation, seemed to back up reports that FBI agents did not think ex-White House national security adviser Michael Flynn lied to them – despite his eventual guilty plea for making false statements.

Among the 44 findings in the report was a line stating that “Federal Bureau of Investigation agents did not detect any deception during Flynn's interview.”

The Washington Examiner’s Byron York first reported earlier this year that fired FBI boss James Comey had briefed lawmakers amid allegations Flynn had lied to Vice President Pence about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and speculation he may have misled FBI agents who questioned him in January 2017. Comey reportedly told lawmakers at the time that agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe he lied in that Jan. 24 meeting, and that any inaccuracies in his account were unintentional.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/27/house-report-backs-claim-that-fbi-agents-did-not-think-flynn-lied-despite-guilty-plea.html

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« Reply #518 on: April 27, 2018, 04:17:32 PM »
House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied, despite guilty plea
Judson Berger By Judson Berger   | Fox News

Washington Examiner's Byron York discusses why former national security adviser Michael Flynn is considering withdrawing his guilty plea in the Mueller investigation.

House Intelligence Committee Republicans, in their newly released report concluding their Russia investigation, seemed to back up reports that FBI agents did not think ex-White House national security adviser Michael Flynn lied to them – despite his eventual guilty plea for making false statements.

Among the 44 findings in the report was a line stating that “Federal Bureau of Investigation agents did not detect any deception during Flynn's interview.”

The Washington Examiner’s Byron York first reported earlier this year that fired FBI boss James Comey had briefed lawmakers amid allegations Flynn had lied to Vice President Pence about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and speculation he may have misled FBI agents who questioned him in January 2017. Comey reportedly told lawmakers at the time that agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe he lied in that Jan. 24 meeting, and that any inaccuracies in his account were unintentional.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/27/house-report-backs-claim-that-fbi-agents-did-not-think-flynn-lied-despite-guilty-plea.html
THis stuff gets better and better.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #519 on: April 27, 2018, 06:28:34 PM »
House report backs claim that FBI agents did not think Flynn lied, despite guilty plea
Judson Berger By Judson Berger   | Fox News

Washington Examiner's Byron York discusses why former national security adviser Michael Flynn is considering withdrawing his guilty plea in the Mueller investigation.

House Intelligence Committee Republicans, in their newly released report concluding their Russia investigation, seemed to back up reports that FBI agents did not think ex-White House national security adviser Michael Flynn lied to them – despite his eventual guilty plea for making false statements.

Among the 44 findings in the report was a line stating that “Federal Bureau of Investigation agents did not detect any deception during Flynn's interview.”

The Washington Examiner’s Byron York first reported earlier this year that fired FBI boss James Comey had briefed lawmakers amid allegations Flynn had lied to Vice President Pence about conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and speculation he may have misled FBI agents who questioned him in January 2017. Comey reportedly told lawmakers at the time that agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe he lied in that Jan. 24 meeting, and that any inaccuracies in his account were unintentional.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/27/house-report-backs-claim-that-fbi-agents-did-not-think-flynn-lied-despite-guilty-plea.html

So then, why did Flynn plead guilty?

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #520 on: April 27, 2018, 09:28:24 PM »
So then, why did Flynn plead guilty?

Because he was. The FBI guys who interviewed Flynn may not have had all the information and though they felt he was being upfront, it's irrelevant when people who had all the information compared what he said to the facts they knew. Happens all the time. While I may "feel" someone is being forthright with me, the lead investigator of the case can review the transcript, compare it to what he or she knows to be true and determine if the subject was lying.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #521 on: April 30, 2018, 05:09:29 PM »
So then, why did Flynn plead guilty?

Because defending himself was bankrupting him and could have harmed his son's career.  You do realize the FBI agents who interviewed him did not believe Flynn lied?  I seriously doubt Flynn knew that before entering his plea.

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« Reply #522 on: April 30, 2018, 05:19:46 PM »
Because defending himself was bankrupting him and could have harmed his son's career.  You do realize the FBI agents who interviewed him did not believe Flynn lied?  I seriously doubt Flynn knew that before entering his plea.

LOL - how would it hurt his son's "career" to tell the truth

Jared Kushner's father went to jail and it didn't seem to hurt his career



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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #523 on: April 30, 2018, 07:24:00 PM »
Are they trying to implicate Fedor in this whole thing?

FBI questions Russian MMA fighter Emelianenko who once competed in Trump's fight league.

The FBI questioned a Russian mixed martial artist, who was previously linked to President Donald Trump and his personal attorney Michael Cohen, as well as Russian President Vladimir Putin. Manager Jerry Millen told London’s Telegraph newspaper on Saturday that the FBI arrived at the Chicago hotel room of  Fedor Emelianenko last week to speak with him privately.

Millen would not go into detail regarding the line of questions the FBI had for his client. “The FBI came to the hotel looking to talk to Fedor and they were very nice, came in to speak with Fedor for a few minutes, spoke to me, very cool guys, and that’s all I can really say about it. Again, the FBI did come to the hotel, they found us, knocked on the door,” he said.

Millen noted the FBI’s visit to Emelianenko came as a surprise and neither Emelianenko nor Millen knew why the FBI wanted to speak with the fighter. The agents were also reportedly in the audience at Emelianenko’s Bellator MMA heavyweight fight against Frank Mir on Saturday, according to the Associated Press.

http://www.newsweek.com/fedor-emelianenko-fbi-probe-trump-905193

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #524 on: April 30, 2018, 07:27:29 PM »
Are they trying to implicate Fedor in this whole thing?

FBI questions Russian MMA fighter Emelianenko who once competed in Trump's fight league.

The FBI questioned a Russian mixed martial artist, who was previously linked to President Donald Trump and his personal attorney Michael Cohen, as well as Russian President Vladimir Putin. Manager Jerry Millen told London’s Telegraph newspaper on Saturday that the FBI arrived at the Chicago hotel room of  Fedor Emelianenko last week to speak with him privately.

Millen would not go into detail regarding the line of questions the FBI had for his client. “The FBI came to the hotel looking to talk to Fedor and they were very nice, came in to speak with Fedor for a few minutes, spoke to me, very cool guys, and that’s all I can really say about it. Again, the FBI did come to the hotel, they found us, knocked on the door,” he said.

Millen noted the FBI’s visit to Emelianenko came as a surprise and neither Emelianenko nor Millen knew why the FBI wanted to speak with the fighter. The agents were also reportedly in the audience at Emelianenko’s Bellator MMA heavyweight fight against Frank Mir on Saturday, according to the Associated Press.

http://www.newsweek.com/fedor-emelianenko-fbi-probe-trump-905193


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