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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #975 on: March 15, 2019, 02:59:25 PM »
Court files reveal role of McCain, aide in spreading anti-Trump dossier

Newly unsealed court filings show the office of the late Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., shared with the FBI and a host of media outlets the unverified dossier that alleged the Russians had compromising information on now-President Trump.

McCain had denied being the source for BuzzFeed after it published the dossier, which was funded by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, but had acknowledged giving it to the FBI.

In a newly unsealed declaration from September, former senior counterintelligence FBI agent Bill Priestap confirmed that the FBI received a copy of the first 33 pages of the dossier in December 2016 from McCain.

In another filing, David Kramer -- a former State Department official and McCain associate -- said in a Dec. 13, 2017, deposition that the dossier was given to him by author and former British spy Christopher Steele, which he then provided to more than a dozen journalists at outlets including CNN, BuzzFeed and The Washington Post. The details were first reported by The Daily Caller.

The report was also shared with State Department official Victoria Nuland, Obama National Security Council official Celeste Wallander and Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill.

In his deposition, Kramer said that McCain gave a copy of the dossier to then-FBI Director James Comey on Dec. 9. Kramer told investigators that it was the sense from Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson that “having Senator McCain provide it to the FBI would give it a little more oomph than it had had up until that point.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/court-files-reveal-role-of-mccain-aide-in-spreading-anti-trump-dossier

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #976 on: March 22, 2019, 01:01:50 PM »
POLITICO Playbook: Why Mueller’s end is only the beginning

Why Mueller is only the beginning: If you talk to Capitol Hill Democrats privately, you will hear something surprising about what they expect from Robert Mueller: Many of them expect absolutely nothing. Several top Democratic lawmakers and aides tell us privately that they are certain the report will be a dud.

If that's the case, the White House will immediately make the argument that it’s time for Congress to shutter its investigations into the president. But Democratic probes into President Donald Trump are going to drag on regardless of the Mueller report. The committees are looking into things that have nothing to do with Russian interference -- the president’s company, security clearances, handling of classified information, decision-making in the White House and Cabinet scandals, for example.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/03/22/why-muellers-end-is-only-the-beginning-413618

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #977 on: March 22, 2019, 01:05:34 PM »
Court files reveal role of McCain, aide in spreading anti-Trump dossier

Newly unsealed court filings show the office of the late Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., shared with the FBI and a host of media outlets the unverified dossier that alleged the Russians had compromising information on now-President Trump.

McCain had denied being the source for BuzzFeed after it published the dossier, which was funded by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, but had acknowledged giving it to the FBI.

In a newly unsealed declaration from September, former senior counterintelligence FBI agent Bill Priestap confirmed that the FBI received a copy of the first 33 pages of the dossier in December 2016 from McCain.

In another filing, David Kramer -- a former State Department official and McCain associate -- said in a Dec. 13, 2017, deposition that the dossier was given to him by author and former British spy Christopher Steele, which he then provided to more than a dozen journalists at outlets including CNN, BuzzFeed and The Washington Post. The details were first reported by The Daily Caller.

The report was also shared with State Department official Victoria Nuland, Obama National Security Council official Celeste Wallander and Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill.

In his deposition, Kramer said that McCain gave a copy of the dossier to then-FBI Director James Comey on Dec. 9. Kramer told investigators that it was the sense from Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson that “having Senator McCain provide it to the FBI would give it a little more oomph than it had had up until that point.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/court-files-reveal-role-of-mccain-aide-in-spreading-anti-trump-dossier

This is why McCain is blasted now - he was a prick and a douchebag. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #978 on: March 22, 2019, 01:05:50 PM »
POLITICO Playbook: Why Mueller’s end is only the beginning

Why Mueller is only the beginning: If you talk to Capitol Hill Democrats privately, you will hear something surprising about what they expect from Robert Mueller: Many of them expect absolutely nothing. Several top Democratic lawmakers and aides tell us privately that they are certain the report will be a dud.

If that's the case, the White House will immediately make the argument that it’s time for Congress to shutter its investigations into the president. But Democratic probes into President Donald Trump are going to drag on regardless of the Mueller report. The committees are looking into things that have nothing to do with Russian interference -- the president’s company, security clearances, handling of classified information, decision-making in the White House and Cabinet scandals, for example.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/03/22/why-muellers-end-is-only-the-beginning-413618
Of course they will keep investigating as it's all the hope they've got.  The left is a mess right now within their own party and don't stand a chance in 2020 unless they 1) use fake news and made up crimes through these investigations or 2) the fed tanks the economy to help the libs.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #979 on: March 22, 2019, 02:54:44 PM »
Ok.  Good.  I hope they release the entire report so we can read all about how Trump conspired with Russia to win the election so he could become a Russian puppet.

Mueller submits long-awaited Russia probe report to Justice Department
By Elizabeth Zwirz, Alex Pappas | Fox News

Robert Mueller submits report to Attorney General William Barr
Special Counsel Robert Mueller has submitted to Attorney General Bill Barr his long-awaited report on the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential race and possible collusion with Trump associates -- marking the end of the politically explosive probe and the beginning of a new battle over its contents and implications.

The report was delivered earlier Friday afternoon to the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s office and it was delivered to Barr’s office within minutes, a senior DOJ official told Fox News. The White House was notified that the DOJ had received the report around 4:45 p.m., before lawmakers on Capitol Hill were informed.


Both Barr and Rosenstein have seen the report, according to a senior DOJ official.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders tweeted following the report's submission.

"The next steps are up to Attorney General Barr, and we look forward to the process taking its course," she said. "The White House has not received or been briefed on the Special Counsel’s report."

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Rudy Giuliani and Jay Sekulow, both of whom are counselors to Trump, also released a joint statement.

“We’re pleased that the Office of Special Counsel has delivered its report to the attorney general pursuant to the regulations," the statement said. "Attorney General Barr will determine the appropriate next steps.”

Several lawmakers, including Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. and Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., received a letter about the report's submisision. Graham is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Feinstein is the ranking member.

“Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III has concluded his investigation of the Russian interference in the 2016 election and related matters," the letter said.

Barr also said that he “may be in a position to advise you of the Special Counsel’s principal conclusions as soon as this weekend.”

“Separately, I intend to consult with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Special Counsel Mueller to determine what other information from the report can be released to Congress and the public consistent with law, including the Special Counsel regulations, and the Department’s long-standing practices and policies," it continued.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., released a joint statement, urging that the report's contents be made public.

“Now that Special Counsel Mueller has submitted his report to the Attorney General, it is imperative for Mr. Barr to make the full report public and provide its underlying documentation and findings to Congress," the statement said. "Attorney General Barr must not give President Trump, his lawyers or his staff any ‘sneak preview’ of Special Counsel Mueller's findings or evidence, and the White House must not be allowed to interfere in decisions about what parts of those findings or evidence are made public."

“The Special Counsel’s investigation focused on questions that go to the integrity of our democracy itself: whether foreign powers corruptly interfered in our elections, and whether unlawful means were used to hinder that investigation," the statement continued. "The American people have a right to the truth. The watchword is transparency.”

It’s not clear how much, if any, of the report will be made public or provided to Congress. None of Mueller’s findings were immediately released.

The president has repeatedly decried Mueller’s probe as a “witch hunt,” emphatically denying he or his campaign colluded with Russia to undermine Democrat Hillary Clinton’s chances in the 2016 race. The president has alleged a slew of internal “conflicts of interest” from Mueller’s team and has previously said his legal team is drafting a “major counter report” in response to its findings.

Mueller’s investigation, which was initially ordered to look into the 2016 election in May of 2017, has gone on for almost two years. It has expanded to probe financial crimes of Trump associates before the election, conversations Trump’s national security adviser had with the Russians during the transition and whether Trump obstructed justice with his comments and actions related to the probe.

Mueller, the former director of the FBI under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, was appointed special counsel by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in May of 2017. In his order, Rosenstein directed Mueller to investigate any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump campaign, as well any other matters that arose from the investigation.

“If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters,” Rosenstein wrote to Mueller.

Since then, Mueller’s team has indicted, convicted, or won guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies as part of an investigation that has also probed issues unrelated to the 2016 campaign.

Twenty six Russian nationals and three Russian companies have been charged with interfering in the 2016 presidential election.

But none of the Trump associates connected to Trump have been charged with crimes related to collusion, though Mueller’s team charged former Trump associate Roger Stone in January with lying about his communications with WikiLeaks, which published hacked Democratic emails during the election.

Other convictions include: former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, who both pleaded guilty to making false statements in 2017.

Former campaign adviser Rick Gates in 2018 pleaded guilty and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort was convicted and later pleaded guilty in a separate financial crimes case dating back before the 2016 election.

Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to making false statements in a case brought by Mueller in November.

Alex van der Zwaan, a London-based lawyer, pleaded guilty to making false statements this year, and Richard Pinedo, a California man, pleaded guilty to identity fraud in 2018.

Mueller has also looked at actions taken by Trump after sworn in as president, like his firing of FBI director James Comey and his ousting of Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Sessions, once one of President Trump’s most loyal and trusted advisers infuriated Trump over his recusal from the Russia investigation. In March 2017, Sessions announced his plans to recuse himself after reports surfaced detailing undisclosed conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the campaign.

At the time of his recusal, Sessions said he met with the “relevant senior career department officials” to discuss the issue.

“Having concluded those meetings today, I have decided to recuse myself from any existing or future investigations of any matters related in any way to the campaigns for president of the United States,” Sessions said.

Rosenstein, Sessions’ number two at the Justice Department, then took control of the investigation and decided to appoint Mueller to take over the probe – an investigation Trump has repeatedly lambasted as a “phony witch hunt.”

Rosenstein said at the time, “What I have determined is that based upon the unique circumstances the public interest requires me to place this investigation under the authority of a person who exercises a degree of independence from the normal chain of command.”

Mueller said in a statement, upon his appointment: “I accept this responsibility and will discharge it to the best of my ability.’’

Rosenstein later ceded oversight to then-acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker when he took over for Sessions. But the report was submitted to Barr, who was confirmed in February by the Senate as attorney general.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-submits-long-awaited-russia-probe-report-to-justice-department

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #980 on: March 22, 2019, 06:37:31 PM »
POLITICO Playbook: Why Mueller’s end is only the beginning

Why Mueller is only the beginning: If you talk to Capitol Hill Democrats privately, you will hear something surprising about what they expect from Robert Mueller: Many of them expect absolutely nothing. Several top Democratic lawmakers and aides tell us privately that they are certain the report will be a dud.

If that's the case, the White House will immediately make the argument that it’s time for Congress to shutter its investigations into the president. But Democratic probes into President Donald Trump are going to drag on regardless of the Mueller report. The committees are looking into things that have nothing to do with Russian interference -- the president’s company, security clearances, handling of classified information, decision-making in the White House and Cabinet scandals, for example.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/03/22/why-muellers-end-is-only-the-beginning-413618

Based on your comments, I gather you and whoever "us" is have had private conversations with democratic lawmakers and/or their aides.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #981 on: March 25, 2019, 04:20:57 PM »

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #983 on: March 26, 2019, 08:49:28 AM »
If Trump doesn't support the acting President of Venezuela, then he's colluding with Russia and he's a Putin poppet.

If Trump supports the acting President of Venezuela, then he is meddling, aiding a coup, and pushing regime change in Venezuela.  

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US will not 'stand idly' on Russian role in Venezuela: Pompeo



https://news.yahoo.com/us-not-stand-idly-russian-role-venezuela-pompeo-151345776.html

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #984 on: March 26, 2019, 08:41:38 PM »
That's hilarious.

You're 100% right that the dems should accept the big picture conclusions and move on.
BUT, they won't.
This is the way politics work now. Screw the final conclusion UNLESS you agree with it before . Pathetic! :-[

I went to a Mike Mentzer seminar back in the 90's when he was re-introducing Heavy Duty.
I know he lost a controversial Olympia to ARNOLD, but c'mon dude, move the fuk on!




That t shirt and how many indictments of Trumps closest advisers?

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #985 on: March 26, 2019, 09:30:31 PM »
That's hilarious.

You're 100% right that the dems should accept the big picture conclusions and move on.
BUT, they won't.
This is the way politics work now. Screw the final conclusion UNLESS you agree with it before . Pathetic! :-[

I went to a Mike Mentzer seminar back in the 90's when he was re-introducing Heavy Duty.
I know he lost a controversial Olympia to ARNOLD, but c'mon dude, move the fuk on!




Since when did a 4 page summary prepared by one person with questionable aligences/bias become a final conclusion? Show me the report or go home.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #986 on: March 26, 2019, 09:50:28 PM »
Since when did a 4 page summary prepared by one person with questionable aligences/bias become a final conclusion? Show me the report or go home.










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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #987 on: March 26, 2019, 09:58:22 PM »
That t shirt and how many indictments of Trumps closest advisers?
And how many of those were collusion?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #988 on: March 26, 2019, 10:06:00 PM »
And how many of those were collusion?

None. None were collusion which Trump made sure was the focus and admittedly many of his  followers fell for.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #989 on: March 27, 2019, 09:15:19 AM »
What cracks me up is how predictable the reaction was going to be.
Team Trump was only going to accept "no collusion" and left wanted him to be in bed with Putin.

Now , Trump and his side and saying it was a complete hoax .
Ok, so if the whole thing was bullshit, how come they believe Muller's conclusion.
Why isn't that bullshit too?

Easy> Anything that goes Trump's way is 100% right.
Anything that makes Trump look bad is " fake news".


The Hoax is that Trump is\was a Russian agent. Did the Ruskies try to do shit to interfere? Sure, just like we do, so what? More selective outrage, and if you believe this is the first time some foreign nation has done this, I have bridge in Brooklyn for sale
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #990 on: March 27, 2019, 09:30:05 AM »
What cracks me up is how predictable the reaction was going to be.
Team Trump was only going to accept "no collusion" and left wanted him to be in bed with Putin.

Now , Trump and his side and saying it was a complete hoax .
Ok, so if the whole thing was bullshit, how come they believe Muller's conclusion.
Why isn't that bullshit too?

Easy> Anything that goes Trump's way is 100% right.
Anything that makes Trump look bad is " fake news".

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Definitely not a logic teacher, lol

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #991 on: March 27, 2019, 09:37:20 AM »
None. None were collusion which Trump made sure was the focus and admittedly many of his  followers fell for.
So are you saying the accusations of collusion aren't what spurred the last 2 years of politic persecution in the media?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #992 on: March 27, 2019, 10:53:12 AM »
The Hoax is that Trump is\was a Russian agent. Did the Ruskies try to do shit to interfere? Sure, just like we do, so what? More selective outrage, and if you believe this is the first time some foreign nation has done this, I have bridge in Brooklyn for sale

So does this mean you are cool with foreign powers, some allies and some not, interfering in future U.S. elections? FYI, I don't believe Trump is or was a Russian agent and anyone who says so without absolute proof is going too far. Do I think Trumps business dealings with Russia is a conflict of interest? You bet I do.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #993 on: March 27, 2019, 11:37:19 AM »
I don't know about the last 2 years, but it's pretty clear they wanted Fat Donny to win 2016.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

I'm NOT saying Trump was directly involved , since he was cleared by Mueller.
BUT, we have the FBI, CIA and DNI all saying the Russians hacked into various social media to influence political opinion in 2016.
Did anything you saw on social media influence the way you voted in 2016?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #994 on: March 27, 2019, 11:46:03 AM »
Did anything you saw on social media influence the way you voted in 2016?

Only statements which came directly from the horse's (Trump's) mouth. Media opinions don't count for much, if anything.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #995 on: March 27, 2019, 12:01:04 PM »
So does this mean you are cool with foreign powers, some allies and some not, interfering in future U.S. elections? FYI, I don't believe Trump is or was a Russian agent and anyone who says so without absolute proof is going too far. Do I think Trumps business dealings with Russia is a conflict of interest? You bet I do.

No, but pot meet kettle, you can't fuck with other countries, then act outraged when they do the same to you. Every country has an equivalent to the CIA, working to get the guy they want to run the country, this is nothing new and is not going to change
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #996 on: March 27, 2019, 12:18:48 PM »
No, but pot meet kettle, you can't fuck with other countries, then act outraged when they do the same to you. Every country has an equivalent to the CIA, working to get the guy they want to run the country, this is nothing new and is not going to change

I think the operative word is shouldn't and not can't.  Because we can and do, just as you posted. Anyone can be outraged about anything they choose even when it is hypocritical to do so. Outrage isn't against the law.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #997 on: March 27, 2019, 12:23:43 PM »
I think the operative word is shouldn't and not can't.  Because we can and do, just as you posted. Anyone can be outraged about anything they choose even when it is hypocritical to do so. Outrage isn't against the law.

Who cares, the only reason this is even getting any play is because Hillary lost the election.  Same with the electoral college non-sense, don't get your way change the rules. The US is well aware of what other nations are doing, we have entire agencies devoted to counter intelligence operations. Like I have said before is manufactured\selective outrage
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #999 on: March 27, 2019, 05:44:01 PM »
Good Lord.  Swalwell is one dumb mofo.   :-\

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