Manchester England - Terrorist Attack outside Ariana Grande Concert - Discuss

[Yamcha]

Manchester attack: Bomber not acting alone, says Amber Rudd
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40023488

The man who carried out a suicide attack in Manchester was "likely" to have not acted alone, Home Secretary Amber Rudd says.
Salman Abedi killed 22 and injured 64 when he blew himself up at the Manchester Arena on Monday night - 20 people are in critical care.
The UK terror threat level is now up to its highest level of "critical", meaning more attacks may be imminent.

It means military personnel will now be deployed to protect key sites.

Mrs Rudd said the attack was a "devastating occasion".

"It was more sophisticated than some of the attacks we've seen before, and it seems likely - possible - that he wasn't doing this on his own," she added.

[Conker]

There's are 1.3 BILLION people in Africa. The number of them entering Italy alone has quadrupled in recent years. The African population is set to double in 20 years time. There's is an ever growing number of Somalia, Ethiopians, Gambians , etc....coming from Africa to settle in Europe along with those from Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Kosova, Albania, etc
.. Almost all of these are male Muslim migrants.

How does you're US bombing fit into this equation? The fact is these are people looking to take advantage of the systems of bleeding heart European countires and they are not escaping any fear of US bombing.  If only 1% of all the Muslims entering Europe are radicalized individuals, it's a number that will do untold damage to Europe.

You are so naive to suggest that Europes demographic isn't changing or that there is no ideological war being waged.  

lol you call me naive then ask how the US fits into the equation...

since "we" overthrew gaddafi in libya the country has been a free for all. there's no law and order and it's a haven for people smugglers. huge numbers of west african illegal immigrants have been pouring through libya ever since.

http://www.msnbc.com/specials/migrant-crisis/libya

secondly you don't see any connection between bombing countries into piles of rubble and the people from said countries then trying to flee to safer places? 

thirdly, most of the terrorist attacks are committed by those born in this country not new immigrants. they come from a community that we had no problem with terrorism from until we started attacking muslim countries.

do some reading and get yourself informed. as i said earlier if you cause bloodshed and mayhem in other countries there is always going to be some kind of payback wherever it comes from. it's inevitable

[SuperTed]

Israel gets it. Egypt gets it. Even Saudi Arabia now gets it, although it took them a lot longer as they are now threatened by ISIS and Iranian ideology.

Sorry Ron, but this is just complete garbage. You sum up how clueless people are on this issue. Saudi Arabia doesn’t "get" anything. They are no different to ISIS on how they operate the laws within their country. Saudi Arabia (and some of the other oil rich Gulf States) are the ones who are using their billions to build and fund Islamic schools and centres around the world – pushing their fanatical Islamic ideology.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/saudi-arabia-gulf-states-fund-islamic-extremism-germany-salafism-wahhabism-qatar-kuwait-islamists-a7473551.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/743497/Salafism-in-Germany-Saudi-Arabia-Kuwait-Qatar-funding-fundamental-Islamist-groups

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/saudi-arabia-offers-germany-200-mosques-one-for-every-100-refugees-who-arrived-last-weekend-10495082.html

The Gulf States are threatened by Iran purely because Iranians practice a different denomination of Islam which is viewed as heretical. Saudi’s are Sunni Muslims and Iranians are Shia Muslims. However, when you consider that 95% of Islamic terrorist networks around the world follow the Sunni sect of Islam, it is easy to realize where the bigger problem lies.

Americans need to stop listening to the establishment shills (which Trump has also become part of) and instead, listen to what REAL American patriots like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul have to say on these matters.

[Top Poodle]

Ron Paul needs a bigger platform.

Trump is/was/will be the west's best hope of turning this mess around.

Don't call him an establishment shill in earnest, that's disingenuous.

[NarcissisticDeity]

what complete and utter shite "a wise man told me" gtf with your BS

yes since we joined the US and started bombing muslim countries europe now has a problem with muslims (a very small number) wanting to blow us up(who would have thought it!)

but lets keep things in perspective. there is no "major war" in europe . america has a bigger problem with it's own people randomly slaughtering kids in schools and other public places than europe has with terrorism. however warped and depraved these terrorists are at least they actually have a cause. perps of sht like sandy hook and similar just do it for kicks.

"israel gets it" and "it's so sad to see innocent children killed"...  israel has slaughtered more children in palestine than will ever be killed in europe by terrorists.

the US dropped 26,000 bombs on syria and iraq last year and you're trying to tell us the "major war" is in europe because there has been a handful attacks . fuk off with your hyperbolic jew sht.

yes since we joined the US and started bombing muslim countries europe now has a problem with muslims (a very small number) wanting to blow us up(who would have thought it!)

BULLSHIT !! You'be had a problem with Islamic terrorists for a long time , you'd know this with a 20 second Google search https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe Ever hear of Munich?

A little hint for you dummy , a vast majority of these were well before The US and UK started bombing Iraq. Just like the U.S the Islamic terrorists have been fucking with the west for a LONG time , Keep your head buried in the sand

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol you call me naive then ask how the US fits into the equation...

since "we" overthrew gaddafi in libya the country has been a free for all. there's no law and order and it's a haven for people smugglers. huge numbers of west african illegal immigrants have been pouring through libya ever since.

http://www.msnbc.com/specials/migrant-crisis/libya

secondly you don't see any connection between bombing countries into piles of rubble and the people from said countries then trying to flee to safer places? 

thirdly, most of the terrorist attacks are committed by those born in this country not new immigrants. they come from a community that we had no problem with terrorism from until we started attacking muslim countries.

do some reading and get yourself informed. as i said earlier if you cause bloodshed and mayhem in other countries there is always going to be some kind of payback wherever it comes from. it's inevitable

we had no problem with terrorism from until we started attacking muslim countries.

Flat out lie. You think if you keep repeating this enough it will become truth? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe

[SuperTed]

Ron Paul needs a bigger platform.

Trump is/was/will be the west's best hope of turning this mess around.

Don't call him an establishment shill in earnest, that's disingenuous.

There is still hope for Trump but I don’t think the signs look good. I imagine he’s being push into doing things he isn't actually keen on.

[SuperTed]

BULLSHIT !! You'be had a problem with Islamic terrorists for a long time , you'd know this with a 20 second Google search https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe Ever hear of Munich?

A little hint for you dummy , a vast majority of these were well before The US and UK started bombing Iraq. Just like the U.S the Islamic terrorists have been fucking with the west for a LONG time , Keep your head buried in the sand

TBF, the terrorist threat in Europe from Islamists escalated rapidly post 9/11 and the following "war on terror". Before that, the terror threat in the UK and other parts of Europe were almost entirely committed by groups indigenous to the continent (IRA, ETA...etc). Munich was an attack in Germany but against Israelis, not native Germans and the attack wasn't motivated by Islamic Jihadism.
The primary concern to Europe is more the demographic changes that are occurring across the continent along with the spread of far-left/Marxist ideologies. The actual terrorist threat isn't the biggest problem.

[Bindare_Dundat]

lol you call me naive then ask how the US fits into the equation...

since "we" overthrew gaddafi in libya the country has been a free for all. there's no law and order and it's a haven for people smugglers. huge numbers of west african illegal immigrants have been pouring through libya ever since.

http://www.msnbc.com/specials/migrant-crisis/libya

secondly you don't see any connection between bombing countries into piles of rubble and the people from said countries then trying to flee to safer places?  

thirdly, most of the terrorist attacks are committed by those born in this country not new immigrants. they come from a community that we had no problem with terrorism from until we started attacking muslim countries.

do some reading and get yourself informed. as i said earlier if you cause bloodshed and mayhem in other countries there is always going to be some kind of payback wherever it comes from. it's inevitable

You completly missed what I was referring to. It was migrants from West Africa and how many muslims are entering Europe from there. the US isn't bombing them so why are they pouring into Europe? US bombing is what you said is causing this. That's not the case for West African migrants.  

Was the US responsible for centuries of Muslim invasion into Europe? No it was Islam and nothing else.


These new terrorists are first generation Europeans. Hardly integrated because their parents don't do that. they come from ghettos within the host country. They came from places where there was centuries old tribal terrorism against each other.  it's not anything they just learned.

Sweden has done nothing but try to appease these savages and they are experiencing the same thing. so.your solution is hogwash.

Hard to have an intelligent conversation with some that either purposefully ignores part of what is being said or just doesn't have a clue about history.

[Bindare_Dundat]

BULLSHIT !! You'be had a problem with Islamic terrorists for a long time , you'd know this with a 20 second Google search https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe Ever hear of Munich?

A little hint for you dummy , a vast majority of these were well before The US and UK started bombing Iraq. Just like the U.S the Islamic terrorists have been fucking with the west for a LONG time , Keep your head buried in the sand

He's ignored all.my examples as well. In total.denial. While I agree that bombing Syria and lybia wasn't wise, why are these predominantly male Muslims being allowed to pour into Europe? go into the middle east. let your muslim brothers take care.of you. they have the means. There is something alit more sinister going on here.

This is where I changed my views and disagree with Ron Paul, although I agree with most everything else he has to say. There comes a point where we have to.open our eyes and just be honest about what these people are.pumping into their skulls.

We are nonbelievers and we deserve death of we don't convert.

look at what's happening in Canada and how they are changing the public lschool system to include prayer rooms for Muslims, adding special laws that prosecite anyine anyone critical of Islam....you don't have to attack a country with bombs to change  the fabric of the host country in a way that doesn't benefit it's progression. This is what I'll make does if left to grow and fester.

[fredrollon]

TBF, the terrorist threat in Europe from Islamists escalated rapidly post 9/11 and the following "war on terror". Before that, the terror threat in the UK and other parts of Europe were almost entirely committed by groups indigenous to the continent (IRA, ETA...etc).

There was some Islamic terrorism in Europe,during the 90's when the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood government in Algeria was overthrown,with the backing of the west (kind of like what happened recently with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt...)







The 1995 bombings in France were carried out by the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), who were broadening the Algerian Civil War to France. In total, these attacks killed eight and injured more than 100 people. The assassination of Abdelbaki Sahraoui, a co-founder of the Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) who opposed attacks in France, was a prelude of this extension of the Islamists' terrorist campaign to France


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Paris_M%C3%A9tro_and_RER_bombings









Air France Flight 8969 was an Air France flight that was hijacked on 24 December 1994 by the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) at Houari Boumedienne Airport, Algiers, Algeria, where the terrorists murdered three passengers, with the intention to blow up the plane over the Eiffel Tower in Paris. When the aircraft reached Marseille, the GIGN, a counter-terror unit of the French National Gendarmerie, stormed the plane and killed all four hijackers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_8969

[_bruce_]

1) another terror attack, one too many
2) Darren finally overthrows the government
3) all of England is turned into a giant octagon of peace

[SuperTed]

There was some Islamic terrorism in Europe,during the 90's when the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood government in Algeria was overthrown,with the backing of the west (kind of like what happened recently with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt...)



The 1995 bombings in France were carried out by the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), who were broadening the Algerian Civil War to France. In total, these attacks killed eight and injured more than 100 people. The assassination of Abdelbaki Sahraoui, a co-founder of the Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) who opposed attacks in France, was a prelude of this extension of the Islamists' terrorist campaign to France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Paris_M%C3%A9tro_and_RER_bombings



Air France Flight 8969 was an Air France flight that was hijacked on 24 December 1994 by the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) at Houari Boumedienne Airport, Algiers, Algeria, where the terrorists murdered three passengers, with the intention to blow up the plane over the Eiffel Tower in Paris. When the aircraft reached Marseille, the GIGN, a counter-terror unit of the French National Gendarmerie, stormed the plane and killed all four hijackers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_8969

Never said there wasn't a problem at all, but more that it wasn't seen as a major problem. The only terrorism the UK had to deal with up until the past 15 years was from the IRA.

[Kwon]

1) another terror attack, one too many
2) Darren finally overthrows the government
3) all of England is turned into a giant octagon of peace

That be the day!

New rules, if there is "something" , take it to tha streets!

[El Diablo Blanco]

The solution is to ban Ariana Grande concerts.

[Skeeter]

The solution is to ban Ariana Grande concerts.

I had never heard of Ariana Grande before this. I think it is a false flag.

[Thin Lizzy]

He's ignored all.my examples as well. In total.denial. While I agree that bombing Syria and lybia wasn't wise, why are these predominantly male Muslims being allowed to pour into Europe? go into the middle east. let your muslim brothers take care.of you. they have the means. There is something alit more sinister going on here.

This is where I changed my views and disagree with Ron Paul, although I agree with most everything else he has to say. There comes a point where we have to.open our eyes and just be honest about what these people are.pumping into their skulls.

We are nonbelievers and we deserve death of we don't convert.

look at what's happening in Canada and how they are changing the public lschool system to include prayer rooms for Muslims, adding special laws that prosecite anyine anyone critical of Islam....you don't have to attack a country with bombs to change  the fabric of the host country in a way that doesn't benefit it's progression. This is what I'll make does if left to grow and fester.

Dr. Paul misinterprets the work of Mises who correctly stated that government interventions will invariably make a problem worse. However, these interventions do not create the initial problem. Muslims are a problem because they are a problem. Their countries are shit holes because they're shit holes. It's not anyone else's fault.  United States government interventions are just an effort to make chicken salad out of chicken shit and end up just stirring the shit even more.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Dr. Paul misinterprets the work of Mises who correctly stated that government interventions will invariably make a problem worse. However, these interventions do not create the initial problem. Muslims are a problem because they are a problem. Their countries are shit holes because they're shit holes. It's not anyone else's fault.  United States government interventions are just an effort to make chicken salad out of chicken shit and end up just stirring the shit even more.

I agree. I used to think like Conker but have since changed my mind completly after I realized that no.matter how much a host country caters to these assbackwards people they will always hate us and push their fucked up ideologies on us.

They don't have to bomb us into.submission, they just use white people guilt, their law of freedom of speech and religion to greatly effect the host country in a negative manner. 

[Conker]

You completly missed what I was referring to. It was migrants from West Africa and how many muslims are entering Europe from there. the US isn't bombing them so why are they pouring into Europe? US bombing is what you said is causing this. That's not the case for West African migrants.  

Was the US responsible for centuries of Muslim invasion into Europe? No it was Islam and nothing else.


These new terrorists are first generation Europeans. Hardly integrated because their parents don't do that. they come from ghettos within the host country. They came from places where there was centuries old tribal terrorism against each other.  it's not anything they just learned.

Sweden has done nothing but try to appease these savages and they are experiencing the same thing. so.your solution is hogwash.

Hard to have an intelligent conversation with some that either purposefully ignores part of what is being said or just doesn't have a clue about history.

sorry dude you seem like an OK guy but you seem a bit slow. I'll try simplifying it again for you.

refugees are flowing into europe from the countries you've bombed into oblivion (far more actually in surrounding countries like jordan and lebanon) but still large numbers coming into europe... you get that bit right?

economic migrants from west africa have always wanted to get to europe in the same way that s american migrants want to get to the US. it's for economic reasons. however,  it used to be very difficult for them to get to europe illegally.

since you bombed gaddafi out of power , libya is now like a "mad max" nation with no rule of law. so criminals gangs are taking of advantage of this and smuggling african migrants through libya and then putting them on makeshifts boats to cross the mediterranean to europe.

so the reason for the influx of both of these types of migrants is due to US led bombing campaigns.

[Conker]

BULLSHIT !! You'be had a problem with Islamic terrorists for a long time , you'd know this with a 20 second Google search https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe Ever hear of Munich?

A little hint for you dummy , a vast majority of these were well before The US and UK started bombing Iraq. Just like the U.S the Islamic terrorists have been fucking with the west for a LONG time , Keep your head buried in the sand

you thick yank shit. i never said there had never been any islamic terrorist attacks, i said we didn't have a problem with it. it was something very rare that no one even considered. lets look at the list then from your link. out of 10 terrorist attacks in the UK pre 2000, only one was by muslim perps (pan am plane) and that attack targeted americans rather than UK citizens.
iirc apparently that was in response to a passenger plane your air force shot down "by accident" in the middle east.

munich was targeting israelis. there had been a few others in europe but again most (not all) targeting israelis and americans.

stop trying to talk sht. anyone with half a brain knows in europe there really was no fear of islamic terrorism until we got roped into bombing muslim countries post 9/11.

[bigmc]

is conker a muslim 

[Fortress]

No need to micro-analyze. Simple fact is, Islam is a cancer and extremely dangerous.

As long as we have ANYTHING to do with Muslims, we'll be cutting our own throats.

No concession can be made for Muslims and Islam in Western lands. Indeed, Islam must be outlawed, and all immigration from Muslim nations stopped. Entirely.

[Henda]

No need to micro-analyze. Simple fact is, Islam is a cancer and extremely dangerous.

As long as we have ANYTHING to do with Muslims, we'll be cutting our own throats.

No concession can be made for Muslims and Islam in Western lands. Indeed, Islam must be outlawed, and all immigration from Muslim nations stopped. Entirely.

This

The goal should be for Muslims to be fucking extinct

[Fortress]

perhaps you could advise Mr Trump not to sell arms to Saudi Arabia (which is not much different than ISS in action and thought)

Mr. Trump is disappointing me as of late. Very much so.

[Ron]

"israel gets it" and "it's so sad to see innocent children killed"...  israel has slaughtered more children in palestine than will ever be killed in europe by terrorists.

As usual, going off topic - WTF does Israel have to do with Europe and the growing Muslim's coming there.  Israel has not slaughtered more children... but perhaps HAMAS has, in their futile missle strikes to Israel and their utter control of Gaza, with their properganda.  But this has been discussed already countless of times, yet some people still think otherwise.  Remeber, Jordan killed 17,000 Palestinians (Black September 1970), but we are discussing things in 2017, not in the past. Once again, go back to these crap myths from years ago.

the US dropped 26,000 bombs on syria and iraq last year and you're trying to tell us the "major war" is in europe because there has been a handful attacks.

Hmm... perhaps it is because ISIS, when it goes into a town, destroys all statues and history, kills off in mass graves thousands of people, and remove everyone that they don't like. Total terror and fanatics.

Saudi Arabia doesn’t "get" anything. They are no different to ISIS on how they operate the laws within their country. Saudi Arabia (and some of the other oil rich Gulf States) are the ones who are using their billions to build and fund Islamic schools and centres around the world – pushing their fanatical Islamic ideology

Umm... yes they do. This is 2017, and they realize that their future is at stake. This isn't 2001. They realize the dangers to their society, which is why they are talking to the US, Israel and others, as are many countries quietly. You just assume you hear stuff from propaganda machines. Not that Saudi Arabia is a saint, by any means at all. They still have a strict view of their religion which I do not agree with at all. Women can't drive, must get permission to do anything... but slowly, they are changing, but will still takes year.

but lets keep things in perspective. there is no "major war" in europe

Not yet.. not the type of war you are accustomed to thinking. Wait until the civil war with Muslims vs others start, and perhaps in a decade or less now.

refugees are flowing into europe from the countries you've bombed into oblivion

Refugees are flowing into Europe because of democray and free will.  Also, because the other Arab countries DO NOT want them in their coutries, and they have strict border patrols.

Mr Trump not to sell arms to Saudi Arabia

This part I agree with... too many arms selling, but good for economics ... right.