Manchester England - Terrorist Attack outside Ariana Grande Concert - Discuss

[Skeeter]

Info wars on the case. Time will tell if she really did write this 3 year ago.  At 7:10

Arianna Grande, "I Hope My Fans All F***ing Die"

I had never heard of Ariana Grande before this. I think it is a false flag.

Called it. 

[bigmc]

of course. i condemn all acts of terrorism that kill innocents on these shores and i condemn state acts of terrorism that kill innocents overseas too.

are you claiming the uk govt are terrorists?

[Tennisballz]

The terrorism problem is quite simple.  Stop opening the borders of our countries and letting Muslims in, and stop endlessly bombing the countries they come from.  The US meddles in other people's affairs far too often.   We should not be in the Middle East at all. Peace is not possible there and the societies that live there need to be left alone to handle their own affairs.  All the US has done is destabilize the Middle East more and more.  Europe and the US have now imported the problem to our home lands.

[Van_Bilderass]

of course. i condemn all acts of terrorism that kill innocents on these shores and i condemn state acts of terrorism that kill innocents overseas too.

See, this type of answer is tricky. Many muslims say this, but just what is meant by innocent? Many muslims say they don't support terrorism
but asked a different type of question they say suicide bombings may sometimes be justified, from what I remember a big percentage of UK (and in other countries) muslims say suicide bombings are sometimes justified. A non-muslim most of the time feels they are never justified and are always terrorism.

It's like when Muslims say the Koran forbids killing anyone and killing one person is the same as killing the whole world. But... this only applies to innocents. Lots of people should be killed according to Islam and Sharia. Apostates for example. That's why a true believer in Islam and Sharia is not compatible with our democratic countries. We don't believe if someone leaves a religion he should be killed. Now if you question a muslim about whether he disagrees with Sharia in the case I gave he has a hard time answering. I've seen muslims get asked things like this and them saying the question itself is islamophobic and refusing to answer.

[Nails]

[jannekassen]

this genuinely happened? Whos the guy he shoved?

[Nails]

this genuinely happened? Whos the guy he shoved?

he is Nato leader Prime Minister Dusko Markovic

[Van_Bilderass]

the christian bible also forbids killing and where does that take us ?

Absolutely. You can also say the bible condones killing people for any number of reasons. I don't want to get into
a theological debate, I'm not a fan of Christianity anyway, I disagree with it. But... Christianity is DEAD. Most Christians
don't take the bible literally anymore and they twist and turn the bible to fit any type of lifestyle they prefer.
Islam is a much more vital religion and most muslims will say not a letter in the Koran can be changed. Not to say many muslims don't live sinful lives according to their scriptures anyway but when pressed they will say what the Koran says is correct and can't be altered.

Take a Christian and insult his religion and nothing happens. Insult islam or Mohammed and the muslim's eyes will turn black with rage and you should be careful not to get physically attacked. Seen this many times personally.

[Simple Simon]

There's supposed to be a petition doing the rounds calling on the government to deport or imprison the 3k pakis on the terrorists watch list...

Seems like a move in the right direction, id remove passports and deport any of them who have fought in libya/syria etc

Maybe just deport all their family if anyone shows any signs of radicalisation, they may not care about themselves but they may care that their family will be deported or even jailed after they are gone.

[Conker]

See, this type of answer is tricky. Many muslims say this, but just what is meant by innocent? Many muslims say they don't support terrorism
but asked a different type of question they say suicide bombings may sometimes be justified, from what I remember a big percentage of UK (and in other countries) muslims say suicide bombings are sometimes justified. A non-muslim most of the time feels they are never justified and are always terrorism.

It's like when Muslims say the Koran forbids killing anyone and killing one person is the same as killing the whole world. But... this only applies to innocents. Lots of people should be killed according to Islam and Sharia. Apostates for example. That's why a true believer in Islam and Sharia is not compatible with our democratic countries. We don't believe if someone leaves a religion he should be killed. Now if you question a muslim about whether he disagrees with Sharia in the case I gave he has a hard time answering. I've seen muslims get asked things like this and them saying the question itself is islamophobic and refusing to answer.

i'm not a muslim you dumb sht.

[Van_Bilderass]

i'm not a muslim you dumb sht.

Ok my bad. I assumed you were after reading a bunch of your posts on this topic (Islam, Muslims) here and there.

But in general I think large scale muslim importation is problematic. Whether you are muslim or christian or whatever and
whether or not the west has caused much of the animosity of muslims against the west, you have to agree there will be problems.

The powers that be are scared shitless of social unrest after these types of events. A few of these in a short period of time and who
knows how the public opinion will shift. That's why all the media is always immediately calling for tolerance and how this should not change how we behave.

[jude2]

this genuinely happened? Whos the guy he shoved?

True alpha male right there.

[jannekassen]

UFC Middleweight champ Michael Bisping is outraged at the British government for putting "political correctness" in front of the war against terror.

We got the Manchester native in L.A. Wednesday where he poured his heart out over the attack, saying he cried when he heard children were targeted.

Then Michael flew into a controlled rage, claiming the British government knows where the terrorists are hiding but they aren't raiding their homes because it would appear politically insensitive.

Screw that, he says.

[Simple Simon]

UFC Middleweight champ Michael Bisping is outraged at the British government for putting "political correctness" in front of the war against terror.

We got the Manchester native in L.A. Wednesday where he poured his heart out over the attack, saying he cried when he heard children were targeted.

Then Michael flew into a controlled rage, claiming the British government knows where the terrorists are hiding but they aren't raiding their homes because it would appear politically insensitive.

Screw that, he says.

Tony Bellow had a rant on FB as well....

[Top Poodle]

UFC Middleweight champ Michael Bisping is outraged at the British government for putting "political correctness" in front of the war against terror.

We got the Manchester native in L.A. Wednesday where he poured his heart out over the attack, saying he cried when he heard children were targeted.

Then Michael flew into a controlled rage, claiming the British government knows where the terrorists are hiding but they aren't raiding their homes because it would appear politically insensitive.

Screw that, he says.

this is accurate...

[Conker]

UFC Middleweight champ Michael Bisping is outraged at the British government for putting "political correctness" in front of the war against terror.

We got the Manchester native in L.A. Wednesday where he poured his heart out over the attack, saying he cried when he heard children were targeted.

Then Michael flew into a controlled rage, claiming the British government knows where the terrorists are hiding but they aren't raiding their homes because it would appear politically insensitive.

Screw that, he says.

he's angry at the right people but for the wrong reasons.

the security services in the UK are apparently monitoring something like 3000 people linked to islamic terrorism. i wonder how many needed monitoring pre afghanistan invasion?

this is getting as stupid as the US gun debate. anyone with any sense knows what the cause of the problem is but we're all going to pretend like we don't. 

[bigmc]

It will be 3001 when they read conkers posts

[Simple Simon]

It will be 3001 when they read conkers posts

[Conker]

It will be 3001 when they read conkers posts

shut it fatty

[bigmc]

shut it fatty

to be fair thats the only post with any truth in it you have made in this thread

put down the needle stumpy and learn some shit 

[NarcissisticDeity]

he's angry at the right people but for the wrong reasons.

the security services in the UK are apparently monitoring something like 3000 people linked to islamic terrorism. i wonder how many needed monitoring pre afghanistan invasion?

this is getting as stupid as the US gun debate. anyone with any sense knows what the cause of the problem is but we're all going to pretend like we don't. 

this is getting as stupid as the US gun debate. anyone with any sense knows what the cause of the problem is but we're all going to pretend like we don't. 

You don't know shit about the U.S gun debate either. The problem is stupid people like you who believe if guns go away so does the problem  If we don't bother the Muslims they won't bother us 

the security services in the UK are apparently monitoring something like 3000 people linked to islamic terrorism. i wonder how many needed monitoring pre afghanistan invasion?

We had every single right to go into Afghanistan , Iraq NO , Afghanistan absolutely , Bin Laden was hiding out there , they refused to release him so fuck them and their country.

[Simple Simon]

You don't know shit about the U.S gun debate either. The problem is stupid people like you who believe if guns go away so does the problem  If we don't bother the Muslims they won't bother us 

We had every single right to go into Afghanistan , Iraq NO , Afghanistan absolutely , Bin Laden was hiding out there , they refused to release him so fuck them and their country.

why was he hiding, was it because America said he attacked the Twin Towers?

[NarcissisticDeity]

why was he hiding, was it because America said he attacked the Twin Towers?

Because he's a fucking coward. At first he denied it was responsible then he admitted it.

[Simple Simon]

Because he's a fucking coward. At first he denied it was responsible then he admitted it.

HE WAS TROLLING.....

[SuperTed]

The terrorism problem is quite simple.  Stop opening the borders of our countries and letting Muslims in, and stop endlessly bombing the countries they come from.  The US meddles in other people's affairs far too often.   We should not be in the Middle East at all. Peace is not possible there and the societies that live there need to be left alone to handle their own affairs.  All the US has done is destabilize the Middle East more and more.  Europe and the US have now imported the problem to our home lands.

This.
 
What Western European nations have done is akin to letting a mentally unhinged individual stay in your home, beating up their relatives and being surprised when the individual becomes disruptive in your household.