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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #100 on: June 04, 2017, 04:47:25 PM »
There is a major effort to suppress the truth and suppress dissenting opinions both in Europe and the USA.

I can't imagine how I would feel if I lived in a place where I wasn't allowed to carry my Glock every day.

i think there's some truth to this but not in the way you think.

i think the security services are likely suppressing suicide notes/messages that are being left behind. these terrorists when they commit these crimes usually want to leave some kind of documentation behind as to why they did it etc

like the 7/7 bombers did citing the invasion of afghanistan. but i cannot remember the last time following any of these attacks in any country that any suicide note was reported. because they're all likely to say we did this because your government is killing muslims in foreign lands etc

the authorities don't want us hearing that. they would rather tell us they did it because "they hate our freedom and way of life" blah blah blah

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Re: White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #101 on: June 04, 2017, 04:55:27 PM »
It took the London police 8 minutes to respond to one of the biggest tourist attractions in the city.

But "well trained armed response units" ftw.

I takes between 2 to 5 minutes to die from an arterial bleed.  

Buy some quality tourniquets(CAT,SOF-T). Get trained on how to use them.  Carry them.

Either that or be prepared to watch your loved ones bleed to death while you cry out for help that isn't coming.....your choice.

If your masters allow you to carry firearms, do it.  Get trained on how to use them and then carry them.  Always.  It isn't the 1950s anymore.

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Re: White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #102 on: June 04, 2017, 04:59:19 PM »
I takes between 2 to 5 minutes to die from an arterial bleed.  

Buy some quality tourniquets(CAT,SOF-T). Get trained on how to use them.  Carry them.

Either that or be prepared to watch your loved ones bleed to death while you cry out for help that isn't coming.....your choice.

If your masters allow you to carry firearms, do it.  Get trained on how to use them and then carry them.  Always.  It isn't the 1950s anymore.

Fucking idiots just revel in the fact that they're dependent on someone else with a gun , Someone else to protect them and their loves ones , It boggles the mind

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Re: White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #103 on: June 04, 2017, 05:02:49 PM »
Fucking idiots just revel in the fact that they're dependent on someone else with a gun , Someone else to protect them and their loves ones , It boggles the mind

They have bullshitted themselves into believing that it's ok to be careless and unprepared.  A lot of people have gotten very soft.

If it's your time, it's your time but I'd rather do what I can to not be helpless.  Try to kill me and I'll kill you back.  Shoot holes in me or my people and I'll attempt to plug them.

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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #104 on: June 04, 2017, 05:07:20 PM »
i think there's some truth to this but not in the way you think.

i think the security services are likely suppressing suicide notes/messages that are being left behind. these terrorists when they commit these crimes usually want to leave some kind of documentation behind as to why they did it etc

like the 7/7 bombers did citing the invasion of afghanistan. but i cannot remember the last time following any of these attacks in any country that any suicide note was reported. because they're all likely to say we did this because your government is killing muslims in foreign lands etc

the authorities don't want us hearing that. they would rather tell us they did it because "they hate our freedom and way of life" blah blah blah

More apologist bullshit from you  ::)

We had every single right to go into Afghanistan , We asked them to turn him over they refused , FUCK him. We had no right to invade Iraq though I said as much at the time.

When they start stabbing someone you love be sure and tell them you agree with them and their anger see how well it works out for you.

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Re: White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #105 on: June 04, 2017, 05:16:34 PM »
Fantastic logic  ::) Where were your " exceptionally trained armed response units " when it mattered? They come after the fact. What you'll stick with is being defenseless while lunatics murder your fellow countrymen. You're a coward and proud of it. Congrats. If I saw a lunatic stabbing a woman I could walk right up to him and stop him without ever hitting anyone except the intended target , You shit yourself in the corner praying they don't harm you

As you pointed out 15K to 600  ::) More flawed logic , Your country is the size of one state ,Maine , it's not saying much in the scheme of things.

Yeah doing okay , a new attack almost every week. Yeah sounds like it




you have the problem with logic i'm afraid. 600 vs 15,000... regardless of all the terrorist acts the UK will incur the disparity between these figures will remain pretty consistent this year, next year and all the years in the foreseeable future.

what would be completely illogical would be to think it's a good idea to have a load of untrained spastics running around with guns ready to respond to any incident at the drop of a hat

take the other night for instance. if there had been say 4 or 5 civilians there with guns who started firing at these assailants in what was a very crowded area...would there have been less fatalities?

no thanks, as i said i'd rather stick to a 6 minute response time or whatever and know that anyone turning up with a gun is properly trained.

it's not brave carrying a gun u dickwad it's you that's the coward thinking you need a gun to be safe. i'd rather take my chances without one. i've been in a fair few physical altercations in my life and never felt the need to carry a weapon.

if you were actually capable of logical thinking you would understand that trying to argue your point here when looking at the figures is beyond stupidity.  

ps. we have a population of 60mil just about 5.5 x less than the US. you have 25 x as many murders....you still want to talk about flawed logic  ::)

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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #106 on: June 04, 2017, 05:35:24 PM »
More apologist bullshit from you  ::)

We had every single right to go into Afghanistan , We asked them to turn him over they refused , FUCK him. We had no right to invade Iraq though I said as much at the time.

When they start stabbing someone you love be sure and tell them you agree with them and their anger see how well it works out for you.


you may have had every right to invade afghanistan but it was a tiff between you and your former ally bin laden. nothing to do with the UK and we should have stayed out it. like we should have stayed out of every military campaign you went on to start after that.

did the Us help us invade ireland when the IRA were bombing the sht out of the UK mainland? no, as i remember a large chunk of IRA funding came from the US.

i don't agree with the terrorists at all. i'm just not stupid enough to live in denial about the reason behind them doing it. and i know where better our anger would be placed.

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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #107 on: June 04, 2017, 05:38:03 PM »
Conker, you gotta see this.  Armed robber gets merked because everyone in the store has a gun, lol.



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Re: White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #108 on: June 04, 2017, 05:43:28 PM »
It took the London police 8 minutes to respond to one of the biggest tourist attractions in the city.

But "well trained armed response units" ftw.

it took 6 minutes for armed response the 3 suspects were dead within 8 minutes of crashing van on london bridge.

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Re: White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #109 on: June 04, 2017, 05:45:17 PM »

you have the problem with logic i'm afraid. 600 vs 15,000... regardless of all the terrorist acts the UK will incur the disparity between these figures will remain pretty consistent this year, next year and all the years in the foreseeable future.

what would be completely illogical would be to think it's a good idea to have a load of untrained spastics running around with guns ready to respond to any incident at the drop of a hat

take the other night for instance. if there had been say 4 or 5 civilians there with guns who started firing at these assailants in what was a very crowded area...would there have been less fatalities?

no thanks, as i said i'd rather stick to a 6 minute response time or whatever and know that anyone turning up with a gun is properly trained.

it's not brave carrying a gun u dickwad it's you that's the coward thinking you need a gun to be safe. i'd rather take my chances without one. i've been in a fair few physical altercations in my life and never felt the need to carry a weapon.

if you were actually capable of logical thinking you would understand that trying to argue your point here when looking at the figures is beyond stupidity.  

ps. we have a population of 60mil just about 5.5 x less than the US. you have 25 x as many murders....you still want to talk about flawed logic  ::)



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you have the problem with logic i'm afraid. 600 vs 15,000... regardless of all the terrorist acts the UK will incur the disparity between these figures will remain pretty consistent this year, next year and all the years in the foreseeable future.

Again , moron , you're the size of the state of fucking Maine , Obviously you're going to have less murders.

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what would be completely illogical would be to think it's a good idea to have a load of untrained spastics running around with guns ready to respond to any incident at the drop of a hat

Who says they have to be untrained or a load of them? It's not either or , You remind me of the morons who claimed if the U.S. let people carry concealed weapons it would be the Wild West , When in fact crime rates & murder rates have plummeted since concealed carry was adopted.  

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take the other night for instance. if there had been say 4 or 5 civilians there with guns who started firing at these assailants in what was a very crowded area...would there have been less fatalities?

The crowds dissipated very quickly after they started stabbing people left-and-right. You're right there could be innocent people hit , it happens with police shootings sometimes , so what's the alternative? Chairs , bottles & glasses? Maybe if the threat was eliminated immediately , there wouldn't be 7 dead and almost 50 stabbed. You don't have to own a gun if you don't want to but it's immoral for Governments to tell citizens they can't protect themselves or their loved ones.

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no thanks, as i said i'd rather stick to a 6 minute response time or whatever and know that anyone turning up with a gun is properly trained.

Ok , Good for you , hopefully it's not you or your wife & children next time. stick around and wait , or better yet throw chairs & bottles or let them know you hate America too that we shouldn't be bombing the middle east , see how that works out. And what is " properly trained "? Identify the threat? watch your background? get clear shots? aim for center mass? What magically training do you think these guys get? lol

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it's not brave carrying a gun u dickwad it's you that's the coward thinking you need a gun to be safe. i'd rather take my chances without one. i've been in a fair few physical altercations in my life and never felt the need to carry a weapon.

I've never claimed it was brave carrying a gun , Stop projecting and stick to facts. And carrying a gun means you're prepared to defend yourself and your family and refuse to wait 6 minutes for someone else. Luck favors the prepared. You go throw hands with the guys stabbing people , Mr Hard Man  ::)

Never go looking for a fight but don't run from one either. Sounds like you have something to prove with all these " physical altercations you're getting into. I avoid trouble like the plague but if I see someone repeatedly stabbing a woman , I'm putting as many rounds center mass into him until he stops. You throw chairs or hands or cower until the real men with guns show up and do what you're afraid to.

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if you were actually capable of logical thinking you would understand that trying to argue your point here when looking at the figures is beyond stupidity.  


Yes Mr logical thinker , " I'll wait the 6 minutes " while my family gets slaughtered  ::) Fuck me you're simple.


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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #110 on: June 04, 2017, 05:49:09 PM »
Conker, you gotta see this.  Armed robber gets merked because everyone in the store has a gun, lol.





yeh it's great but it's just anecdotal. as i said you only need to look at the figs to see the bigger picture.

the US stands as the big warning to any developed nation that ever thought that getting rid of gun control might be a good idea

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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #111 on: June 04, 2017, 05:50:14 PM »
you may have had every right to invade afghanistan but it was a tiff between you and your former ally bin laden. nothing to do with the UK and we should have stayed out it. like we should have stayed out of every military campaign you went on to start after that.

did the Us help us invade ireland when the IRA were bombing the sht out of the UK mainland? no, as i remember a large chunk of IRA funding came from the US.

i don't agree with the terrorists at all. i'm just not stupid enough to live in denial about the reason behind them doing it. and i know where better our anger would be placed.
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you may have had every right to invade afghanistan but it was a tiff between you and your former ally bin laden. nothing to do with the UK and we should have stayed out it. like we should have stayed out of every military campaign you went on to start after that.

Well you do owe us for WWll  ;)


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i don't agree with the terrorists at all. i'm just not stupid enough to live in denial about the reason behind them doing it. and i know where better our anger would be placed.

You're an apologist and you're stupid because they were attacking us for decades before we ever invaded Iraq

Again you're in a war with these terrorists , even if we are to blame what does it matter? Innocent citizens of your country are getting killed and this is the best you can offer? Apologies , sympathies with the murderers?

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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #112 on: June 04, 2017, 06:02:24 PM »

yeh it's great but it's just anecdotal. as i said you only need to look at the figs to see the bigger picture.

the US stands as the big warning to any developed nation that ever thought that getting rid of gun control might be a good idea

No we really need people like this but in real life



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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #113 on: June 04, 2017, 06:08:08 PM »

yeh it's great but it's just anecdotal. as i said you only need to look at the figs to see the bigger picture.

the US stands as the big warning to any developed nation that ever thought that getting rid of gun control might be a good idea

You don't have the slightest fucking clue about the figures  ::) You get your info from a biased source with an anti-gun agenda. U.S. gun debate is very nuanced you're hopelessly clueless on the subject , you read tid-bits and think you're knowledgeable about the subject , quit while you're head.

Europe is prime hunting ground for ISIS because you're all sitting ducks , they don't need guns just lorries and knives but hey as long as you're not getting shot.  ::)

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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #114 on: June 04, 2017, 06:13:22 PM »

Europe is prime hunting ground for ISIS because you're all sitting ducks , they don't need guns just lorries and knives but hey as long as you're not getting shot.  ::)

Terrorists go after soft targets.  This is an indisputable fact.  They are looking for helpless victims, they are not looking to get into fair fights.  They are cowards.

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Re: White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #115 on: June 04, 2017, 06:15:19 PM »

Again , moron , you're the size of the state of fucking Maine , Obviously you're going to have less murders.

Who says they have to be untrained or a load of them? It's not either or , You remind me of the morons who claimed if the U.S. let people carry concealed weapons it would be the Wild West , When in fact crime rates & murder rates have plummeted since concealed carry was adopted.  

The crowds dissipated very quickly after they started stabbing people left-and-right. You're right there could be innocent people hit , it happens with police shootings sometimes , so what's the alternative? Chairs , bottles & glasses? Maybe if the threat was eliminated immediately , there wouldn't be 7 dead and almost 50 stabbed. You don't have to own a gun if you don't want to but it's immoral for Governments to tell citizens they can't protect themselves or their loved ones.

Ok , Good for you , hopefully it's not you or your wife & children next time. stick around and wait , or better yet throw chairs & bottles or let them know you hate America too that we shouldn't be bombing the middle east , see how that works out. And what is " properly trained "? Identify the threat? watch your background? get clear shots? aim for center mass? What magically training do you think these guys get? lol

I've never claimed it was brave carrying a gun , Stop projecting and stick to facts. And carrying a gun means you're prepared to defend yourself and your family and refuse to wait 6 minutes for someone else. Luck favors the prepared. You go throw hands with the guys stabbing people , Mr Hard Man  ::)

Never go looking for a fight but don't run from one either. Sounds like you have something to prove with all these " physical altercations you're getting into. I avoid trouble like the plague but if I see someone repeatedly stabbing a woman , I'm putting as many rounds center mass into him until he stops. You throw chairs or hands or cower until the real men with guns show up and do what you're afraid to.
 

Yes Mr logical thinker , " I'll wait the 6 minutes " while my family gets slaughtered  ::) Fuck me you're simple.



dude i gotta give it to you your'e persistent!, but you're just not capable of thinking critically.

no the UK is not like a state in the US not unless you only have 5 states. i'll repeat this slowly for you. US population is roughly 5.5 x bigger than the UK but you have 25 x more murders...you understand what that means right?

if it makes you feel safe carrying a gun more power to you. in my country i don't feel the need to be armed to protect my family. yeh maybe we'll go out tomorrow and be met by crazed knife or gun men, but statistically it's so unlikely i'm really not going to lose any sleep about it.

personally i'd rather live in a country that has our murder rate and me not be able to own a gun than live a country with your murder rate where there's more guns than people.

another thing worth considering if guns were as available in the UK as they are in the US it's pretty certain the 3 terrorists  from the other  night would have had guns instead of knives. So straight away you're looking at way more deaths. look at the dude in the US that killed 50 or so in a nightclub....and that was one dude. These guys in lonndon were running in and out of crowded bars.  Imagine what the death toll could have been if it was 3 shooters...

and then you want to factor in x amount of have a go heroes trying to exchange gun fire with them as well.. :o

piaow! piaow! piaow! piaow!

i prefer our very cowardly unsafe society thanks  :D


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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #116 on: June 04, 2017, 06:17:03 PM »
Terrorists go after soft targets.  This is an indisputable fact.  They are looking for helpless victims, they are not looking to get into fair fights.  They are cowards.

This is why you won't see them walking around pulling their shit in South Central Los Angeles or in Main Street regular town not typical urban USA because the farmers would string up them and their families to feed them to the hogs before having them squeal like pigs  first
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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #117 on: June 04, 2017, 06:17:14 PM »
Well you do owe us for WWll  ;)


You're an apologist and you're stupid because they were attacking us for decades before we ever invaded Iraq



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« Reply #118 on: June 04, 2017, 06:28:04 PM »
dude i gotta give it to you your'e persistent!, but you're just not capable of thinking critically.

no the UK is not like a state in the US not unless you only have 5 states. i'll repeat this slowly for you. US population is roughly 5.5 x bigger than the UK but you have 25 x more murders...you understand what that means right?

if it makes you feel safe carrying a gun more power to you. in my country i don't feel the need to be armed to protect my family. yeh maybe we'll go out tomorrow and be met by crazed knife or gun men, but statistically it's so unlikely i'm really not going to lose any sleep about it.

personally i'd rather live in a country that has our murder rate and me not be able to own a gun than live a country with your murder rate where there's more guns than people.

another thing worth considering if guns were as available in the UK as they are in the US it's pretty certain the 3 terrorists  from the other  night would have had guns instead of knives. So straight away you're looking at way more deaths. look at the dude in the US that killed 50 or so in a nightclub....and that was one dude. These guys in lonndon were running in and out of crowded bars.  Imagine what the death toll could have been if it was 3 shooters...

and then you want to factor in x amount of have a go heroes trying to exchange gun fire with them as well.. :o

i prefer our very cowardly unsafe society thanks  :D



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dude i gotta give it to you your'e persistent!, but you're just not capable of thinking critically.

no the UK is not like a state in the US not unless you only have 5 states. i'll repeat this slowly for you. US population is roughly 5.5 x bigger than the UK but you have 25 x more murders...you understand what that means right?

I said it's the size of one of our states ( Maine ) yes we have more murders no one is disputing that , when you break them down things get interesting, You're concentrating solely on the numbers


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if it makes you feel safe carrying a gun more power to you. in my country i don't feel the need to be armed to protect my family. yeh maybe we'll go out tomorrow and be met by crazed knife or gun men, but statistically it's so unlikely i'm really not going to lose any sleep about it.

I agree , you want to take chances knock yourself out but it's the Governments that won't let people decide who are immoral.

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another thing worth considering if guns were as available in the UK as they are in the US it's pretty certain the 3 terrorists  from the other  night would have had guns instead of knives. So straight away you're looking at way more deaths. look at the dude in the US that killed 50 or so in a nightclub....and that was one dude. These guys in lonndon were running in and out of crowded bars.  Imagine what the death toll could have been if it was 3 shooters..

I agree with you to a degree , However France has very tight gun laws and somehow these assholes got AKs into the country , and they don't need them just a lorry

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and then you want to factor in x amount of have a go heroes trying to exchange gun fire with them as well.. :o

i prefer our very cowardly unsafe society thanks  :D

Okay , the problem lies with others who might not prefer to rely on armed people to depend on. Guns are like abortions , don't want one , don't get one , but don't tell people they can't get one.

 


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Re: White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #119 on: June 04, 2017, 06:29:06 PM »
dude i gotta give it to you your'e persistent!, but you're just not capable of thinking critically.

no the UK is not like a state in the US not unless you only have 5 states. i'll repeat this slowly for you. US population is roughly 5.5 x bigger than the UK but you have 25 x more murders...you understand what that means right?

if it makes you feel safe carrying a gun more power to you. in my country i don't feel the need to be armed to protect my family. yeh maybe we'll go out tomorrow and be met by crazed knife or gun men, but statistically it's so unlikely i'm really not going to lose any sleep about it.

personally i'd rather live in a country that has our murder rate and me not be able to own a gun than live a country with your murder rate where there's more guns than people.

another thing worth considering if guns were as available in the UK as they are in the US it's pretty certain the 3 terrorists  from the other  night would have had guns instead of knives. So straight away you're looking at way more deaths. look at the dude in the US that killed 50 or so in a nightclub....and that was one dude. These guys in lonndon were running in and out of crowded bars.  Imagine what the death toll could have been if it was 3 shooters...

and then you want to factor in x amount of have a go heroes trying to exchange gun fire with them as well.. :o

piaow! piaow! piaow! piaow!

i prefer our very cowardly unsafe society thanks  :D



Since your government is open to taking in refugees, we will send you 1,000,000 black gang bangers a year for the next ten years and help you with your muzzie and gun problem

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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #120 on: June 04, 2017, 06:33:03 PM »
Conker's inability to understand the history of Islam and its aggression/predilection for desire for global conquest is remarkable. The man simply doesn't have the intellect and/or balls to see the bigger picture.

Sadly, I fear he is representative of the overwhelming majority. A simpleton with an infected mind that will reject the reality that stares him in the face.

Conker is feeble of mind and incapable of realizing the lethality of an ideology that, as with a cancer, has infected the host and is destroying it from the inside out.

It's a numbers game. These terrorism acts are distractions from the larger picture of a conquest-in-the-making.

He's a sheep already prepped for slaughter.

 




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Re: London - White van runs over pedestrians near London Bridge
« Reply #121 on: June 04, 2017, 06:58:13 PM »
Conker's inability to understand the history of Islam and its aggression/predilection for desire for global conquest is remarkable. The man simply doesn't have the intellect and/or balls to see the bigger picture.

Sadly, I fear he is representative of the overwhelming majority. A simpleton with an infected mind that will reject the reality that stares him in the face.

Conker is feeble of mind and incapable of realizing the lethality of an ideology that, as with a cancer, has infected the host and is destroying it from the inside out.

It's a numbers game. These terrorism acts are distractions from the larger picture of a conquest-in-the-making.

He's a sheep already prepped for slaughter.

 





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« Reply #122 on: June 04, 2017, 07:35:47 PM »
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« Reply #123 on: June 04, 2017, 07:39:59 PM »
Getbig experts in History and Political Science battling it out! There is nothing greater!

You don't have to be a professor to see what's happening in the world right now.  If you have even half a brain and a shred of honesty it should be quite clear.

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« Reply #124 on: June 04, 2017, 07:47:07 PM »
You don't have to be a professor to see what's happening in the world right now.  If you have even half a brain and a shred of honesty it should be quite clear.

Nonsense!! Getbig political and historical experts are at the forefront of the intellectual world! They debate with each other, as they sit back in their $400 million yacht! Is there a better sight than this? NO!
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