Washington Store Owner Sentenced To 8 Years For Killing Robber

[ESFitness]

I had an investor buddy come by the gym one day to have a chat, & the fella points out to us that the new security cameras we were having installed that day would be useless in court if we were ever broken into because we didn't have any signs posted stating "hey thief! you are on camera" or something to that effect. So apparently if somebody smashed our window at night, entered the gym, waved to the camera, and even drove their truck inside the gym with their license plate clearly on camera, we could not use that tape in court to prosecute the thief. I was no longer interested in buying the place so I kept that little bit of information to myself & didn't mention it to the then owner. Lol

[Simple Simon]

I had an investor buddy come by the gym one day to have a chat, & the fella points out to us that the new security cameras we were having installed that day would be useless in court if we were ever broken into because we didn't have any signs posted stating "hey thief! you are on camera" or something to that effect. So apparently if somebody smashed our window at night, entered the gym, waved to the camera, and even drove their truck inside the gym with their license plate clearly on camera, we could not use that tape in court to prosecute the thief. I was no longer interested in buying the place so I kept that little bit of information to myself & didn't mention it to the then owner. Lol

idiot.

Your signage has to be appropriate and in line with the Data Protection act.
"CCTV is in operation and is used for security and crime prevention."

By the way, if you put up CCTV signage and you are not filming/recording you can be prosecuted for that.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

So you can't protect your business and your family. This was in Washington. I'm sure the justification of this sentencing was as justified as SEATTLE's 9 circuit "Muslim Ban".

The store owner was the one who plead guilty.....did you expect the judge to kiss him on the cheek and send him away???    

[Eyeball Chambers]

The people who make the laws largely have no idea what's it's like to have their wife shot, their life threatened, and end up in a gun fight.  

I think society should always err on the side of the law abiding citizen when some dindu brings the fight to him.

No way to prove it but this chinaman probably saved lives by taking this scumbag out.

Yep, great post!

[residue]

Especially when protecting business and family

how do you protect your family.. a when they're not there and b when the person is running away from you?

this dindu was a giant pile of garbage and deserved death but should have left that up to tyrone or another homeboy

[BBFan]

What about this then:

The homeowner, who is not being named, is not being charged because he 𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟 𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐞.

He clearly shot them in the back while they were fleeing.

[Ropo]

It take a while before I realize that the video in that page have nothing to do with the story..

Regardless the video, here is what really happen: "While he was outside, 21-year-old Jakeel Rashon Mason can be seen attempting to steal cigarettes from behind the counter of Kim’s store.

The footage shows Kim and Mason subsequently engaging in a fight. Ultimately, according to Q13 Fox, Kim can be seen shooting Mason in the back as he flees.". So he shot fleeing shoplifter after the fight was over and threat was gone. Wonder why he got 8 years from that kind of self-defence..

[Simple Simon]

Regardless the video, here is what really happen: "While he was outside, 21-year-old Jakeel Rashon Mason can be seen attempting to steal cigarettes from behind the counter of Kim’s store.

The footage shows Kim and Mason subsequently engaging in a fight. Ultimately, according to Q13 Fox, Kim can be seen shooting Mason in the back as he flees.". So he shot fleeing shoplifter after the fight was over and threat was gone. Wonder why he got 8 years from that kind of self-defence..

so, if we take this to its conclusion then a guy can walk into a store and unload his gun at the store owner, then as long as he turns his back and walks away while he reloads his gun the store owner cannot shoot the robber until he turns around and becomes a threat (in law) again.

Go and watch a few cops in Brazil dealing with store stick up artists who are fleeing, they just unload into them , head shots being a favourite

[ESFitness]

idiot.

Your signage has to be appropriate and in line with the Data Protection act.
"CCTV is in operation and is used for security and crime prevention."

By the way, if you put up CCTV signage and you are not filming/recording you can be prosecuted for that.

From a guy who's never owned, much less run a business.

When I want you british interpretation of American laws as they pertain to a business in California. You'll be the last to know.

[residue]

so, if we take this to its conclusion then a guy can walk into a store and unload his gun at the store owner, then as long as he turns his back and walks away while he reloads his gun the store owner cannot shoot the robber until he turns around and becomes a threat (in law) again.

Go and watch a few cops in Brazil dealing with store stick up artists who are fleeing, they just unload into them , head shots being a favourite

i can't tell if you're trying to be clever or you're just dumb as fuck. 

[Taffin]

i can't tell if you're trying to be clever or you're just dumb as fuck. 

Which I would venture is the mark of a professional level troll, no...?   

[dj181]

so it was black vs. Asian

and the Asian came out on top

gaywon must be proud

[Simple Simon]

i can't tell if you're trying to be clever or you're just dumb as fuck. 

shoot someone in the back, go to jail, thats pretty much the message the court is sending out.

Harley Brite would claim his client was fleeing and trying to take bullets out of his gun when the wicked shop owner mercilessly gunned him down.

[Ropo]

so, if we take this to its conclusion then a guy can walk into a store and unload his gun at the store owner, then as long as he turns his back and walks away while he reloads his gun the store owner cannot shoot the robber until he turns around and becomes a threat (in law) again.

Go and watch a few cops in Brazil dealing with store stick up artists who are fleeing, they just unload into them , head shots being a favourite

So where this has happen? Not in this case where this Asian bloke got 8 years. You guys are bit fast to make conclusions, because as I say at he page 1, the video at the page with the news isn't from this case. 

[Ropo]

shoot someone in the back, go to jail, thats pretty much the message the court is sending out.

Harley Brite would claim his client was fleeing and trying to take bullets out of his gun when the wicked shop owner mercilessly gunned him down.

Is this really so hard to understand? "While he was outside, 21-year-old Jakeel Rashon Mason can be seen attempting to steal cigarettes from behind the counter of Kim’s store.
The footage shows Kim and Mason subsequently engaging in a fight. Ultimately, according to Q13 Fox, Kim can be seen shooting Mason in the back as he flees.". So he shot fleeing shoplifter after the fight as a revenge when fight was over and threat was gone. Still wonder why he got 8 years from that kind of self-defence..

[Simple Simon]

Is this really so hard to understand? "While he was outside, 21-year-old Jakeel Rashon Mason can be seen attempting to steal cigarettes from behind the counter of Kim’s store.
The footage shows Kim and Mason subsequently engaging in a fight. Ultimately, according to Q13 Fox, Kim can be seen shooting Mason in the back as he flees.". So he shot fleeing shoplifter after the fight as a revenge when fight was over and threat was gone. Still wonder why he got 8 years from that kind of self-defence..

so someone can walk up to you in the street and sucker punch you in the face and then turn his back and walk away, so, in law the threats now gone and if you go and grab him then you are the aggressor and will be prosecuted as such?

[Conker]

so someone can walk up to you in the street and sucker punch you in the face and then turn his back and walk away, so, in law the threats now gone and if you go and grab him then you are the aggressor and will be prosecuted as such?

no that scenario in the US would probably be classed as "mutual combat" as the other person willingly started the fight with you. in the UK police/CPS would use discretion, if you got arrested for assault you would make a counter claim of assault and the case would never go anywhere.

the case in question the shopkeeper used lethal force which is only legal to do in the face of a credible threat of death or grievous bodily harm. when the thief is running out of the door away from you it's very difficult to argue that you were facing such a threat.

common sense really.

[muscleman-2017]

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[Simple Simon]

no that scenario in the US would probably be classed as "mutual combat" as the other person willingly started the fight with you. in the UK police/CPS would use discretion, if you got arrested for assault you would make a counter claim of assault and the case would never go anywhere.

the case in question the shopkeeper used lethal force which is only legal to do in the face of a credible threat of death or grievous bodily harm. when the thief is running out of the door away from you it's very difficult to argue that you were facing such a threat.

common sense really.

that's wrong, but Im not going to tell you why just to annoy you.

Google is your friend...

[Ropo]

so someone can walk up to you in the street and sucker punch you in the face and then turn his back and walk away, so, in law the threats now gone and if you go and grab him then you are the aggressor and will be prosecuted as such?

Well, if your act of self defence is instead of immediate reaction but with delay of 5 seconds, 10 seconds or 5 minutes, where exactly it stops to be self defence by the law?

[Twaddle]

so someone can walk up to you in the street and sucker punch you in the face and then turn his back and walk away, so, in law the threats now gone and if you go and grab him then you are the aggressor and will be prosecuted as such?

It depends on the state.  Every state has different laws. 

[Simple Simon]

Well, if your act of self defence is instead of immediate reaction but with delay of 5 seconds, 10 seconds or 5 minutes, where exactly it stops to be self defence by the law?

the jury decides, just like they decide what "reasonable force" is

[Ropo]

It depends on the state.  Every state has different laws. 

In the real world it isn't. In the world of internet morons we could argue this to the end of the world, but the truth is that act of self defence has to be immediate. I bet that you cannot present any case where delayed act of self defence isn't judged to be murder/manslaughter with years of jail time.

[Simple Simon]

In the real world it isn't. In the world of internet morons we could argue this to the end of the world, but the truth is that act of self defence has to be immediate. I bet that you cannot present any case where delayed act of self defence isn't judged to be murder/manslaughter with years of jail time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauche

Leon Gary Plauche (November 10, 1945 – October 20, 2014)[1] was a native of Louisiana, known for the 1984 killing of Jeff Doucet, who had kidnapped and sexually assaulted his son, Jody Plauche. The killing occurred on Friday, March 16, 1984, and it was captured on camera by a news television crew. Although Plauche shot and killed Doucet, he was given a 7 year suspended sentence with five years probation and 300 hours of community service for the shooting and received no jail time. The case received wide publicity because many people questioned whether Plauche should be charged with murder or be let off. Plauche claimed to believe until his death that he was in the right, and that those in a similar position would have done the same thing

[Conker]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Plauche

that guy did not argue self defence. he was found guilty of manslaughter. he obviously got such a light sentence due to "mitigating circumstances".

it's obvious from this and the harley dude thread that you don't have much understanding of how the legal system works.

the shopkeeper in this thread no doubt got a lighter sentence than usual for 2nd degree murder also due to mitigating circumstances.