Advice for Fart Powder Aficionados

[oldtimer1]

Supplements aren't regulated. Supplements can put any claim on their product. I am lactose intolerant. The labels of  whey isolate claim they are lactose free and that is bs. They have less lactose. I get the same reaction from concentrate and isolate. Another claim is that one whey is better than the next when most get their whey from the same supplier middle man.

[Van_Bilderass]

Don't cite crap studies to me then. Where is the genuine, unbiased research for advanced bodybuilders?

Where is the "genuine unbiased" research showing advanced bb's only need 50 grams? That's less than the daily requirement for maintaining good health and nomal bodily functions in most male sedentary populations, the RDA's are based on serious research, or do you dispute that too?
You claim there is no serious research yet you somehow know 50 grams is sufficient... how do you know???

HOW DO YOU ARRIVE AT YOUR CONCLUSION? Please don't evade the question.

[Tapeworm]

For the purposes of this discussion it's important that we count protein accurately.  A lot of guys fall into the habit of only counting protein from 'protein sources' like meats.  If they eat bread or pasta they say they ate carbs and no protein.


I find it interesting that those who are most in favor of higher protein diets tend to promote the inclusion of something which may or may not actually contain what it says on the label.  You don't know with certainty.  But if you eat a steak, you know it's a steak.

[The Keto Kid]

Supplements aren't regulated. Supplements can put any claim on their product. I am lactose intolerant. The labels of  whey isolate claim they are lactose free and that is bs. They have less lactose. I get the same reaction from concentrate and isolate. Another claim is that one whey is better than the next when most get their whey from the same supplier middle man.

I'm lactose intolerant and super sensitive to dairy, if I have a small glass of milk or a tiny scoop of ice cream I'll be farting all day, I've tried various protein powders and I can say Isopure  is legit, never had any gastro issues with Isopure, no gas/bloating nothing. Natures Best seems like a good company, no b.s. advertisements, no sponsored juice head bodybuilders promoting there product, no shinny bottle design, no catchy slogans on the bottle, just plain basic labeling, and quality speaks for itself.

[Evo]

To anyone who has explosive gas/the shits from protein powders....


If your body tries to evacuate ANY substance that quickly or aggressively then why the fuck are you taking it...

Looks like your mildly allergic or have some digestive issues with powders.....which trigger a whole host of cascading negative events within your body....so why try to get around this by adding bi carb!?!?!

FFS are you that desperate for some protein (which you probably dont need any way) that your willing to induce internal inflammation and shitting yourself all in the quest to have bigger muskles!?!  HAHAHAHA you dismorphic fool.

Save your money for gods sake...

150g ish of protein a day is more than enough for me now.....currently sitting at 244lbs with visi abs, growing and getting stronger each week.  Even when slamming the gear I only ever hit 225-250g a day MAXIMUM.  Calories is where its at for gains!

[Al Doggity]

For the purposes of this discussion it's important that we count protein accurately.  A lot of guys fall into the habit of only counting protein from 'protein sources' like meats.  If they eat bread or pasta they say they ate carbs and no protein.


I find it interesting that those who are most in favor of higher protein diets tend to promote the inclusion of something which may or may not actually contain what it says on the label.  You don't know with certainty.  But if you eat a steak, you know it's a steak.

Two things:

When you eat a steak, you may know it's a steak, but meat is probably the hardest food to get an accurate assessment of nutritional content. Assuming you believe what's on the label, measuring out a scoop and knowing that's the amount of protein/carbs/fat you're getting is a settling experience.


More importantly for me (and I would assume most people) is just that it is a very easy process. I had one shake at 930, will have another at 1230 and between making them, washing out the nutrimix and consuming them, that will be 15 minutes out of my day. The cost of 50 lean grams of protein coupled with having to scarf it down every 2-3 is just not something that's realistic for me over the course of a work day.

[Grape Ape]

I find it interesting that those who are most in favor of higher protein diets tend to promote the inclusion of something which may or may not actually contain what it says on the label.  You don't know with certainty.  But if you eat a steak, you know it's a steak.

This can be mitigated by using sups that are analyzed by independent third parties.

[SilverSpoon]

You need to put enough fat in your shake to prevent the gas.

[Tapeworm]

This can be mitigated by using sups that are analyzed by independent third parties.

I'm not sure there's any such thing.  Everyone's got their dollar on some horse.  Even if they are genuinely independent and spending their time and money to report findings out of the sheer goodness of their hearts, we're still into questions of sampling and testing accuracy.  Did the seller see you coming and provide something other than their usual standard?  Does the test differentiate between protein and melamine?  Is the protein from the source it claims?  Are macros and micros as labeled?  Are there undesirable adulterants?  Did it come from fucking China in a bulker bag with a dead rat on top?

Ok, we can ask the same questions of food given today's farming practices but I still feel like it is more likely to be what it purports to be than a flavored mystery powder will.

Although I confess I'm inherently cynical about anything with flashy packaging pushed by glossy advertisements.  And I'm kinda bitter because I've used it and I don't think it did jack for me.  I made my best strength gains when I made a point of eating pasta and potatoes.

[Grape Ape]

I'm not sure there's any such thing.  Everyone's got their dollar on some horse.  Even if they are genuinely independent and spending their time and money to report findings out of the sheer goodness of their hearts, we're still into questions of sampling and testing accuracy.  Did the seller see you coming and provide something other than their usual standard?  Does the test differentiate between protein and melamine?  Is the protein from the source it claims?  Are macros and micros as labeled?  Are there undesirable adulterants?  Did it come from fucking China in a bulker bag with a dead rat on top?

Ok, we can ask the same questions of food given today's farming practices but I still feel like it is more likely to be what it purports to be than a flavored mystery powder will.

Although I confess I'm inherently cynical about anything with flashy packaging pushed by glossy advertisements.  And I'm kinda bitter because I've used it and I don't think it did jack for me.  I made my best strength gains when I made a point of eating pasta and potatoes.

All I know is that it's short money, I take it, and I dominate the subrban dad circuits in terms of athletic ability and performance.

That alone enables me to not put anywhere near the above level of thought into it.

[Vince B]

I guess it is fair to say that the Flotsam stink!

[Skylge]

Schwarzenegger strongly endorses supplements. Because he makes about 6 million dollars per year from such endorsements....

Total crap and total waste of money. Only very stupid or insecure people buy such factory stuff

[Grape Ape]

Total crap and total waste of money. Only very stupid or insecure people buy such factory stuff

Wrong.

There's nothing wrong with utilizing these for convenience.

[pellius]

I forgot, everyone is an expert here on Getbig and in every gym in the world. Amazing.

I am not changing what I wrote. Broscience will persist long after everyone here has gone.

I forgot. You're the only expert here on GetBig.

You ignore, or most likely, never do any research and read actual scientific studies and rely on your
on personal bias, i.e., broscience.

Amazing.

[pellius]

Don't cite crap studies to me then. Where is the genuine, unbiased research for advanced bodybuilders?

So we should just listen to you. Someone who presents zero evidence.

Where is your genuine, unbiased, research for advanced bodybuilders?

[Bindare_Dundat]

I don't see he harm in having one post workout shake.  big deal. if it works, great. if not, doesn't break my bank.

[deadz]

I don't think they are a scam but I'm like you I can not take any of them with out getting gas and the shits.

Isopure has never given me an issue.

[Vince B]

So we should just listen to you. Someone who presents zero evidence.

Where is your genuine, unbiased, research for advanced bodybuilders?

No, bodybuilders should do their own research or buy a thick textbook on nutrition and find out things.

This is a forum where we all have opinions. No one changes what they believe about training or nutrition no matter what.

People really are sheep when it comes to beliefs. Yet they are quick to attack others. wtf is that?

[Al Doggity]

If your lactose intolerant don't use any milk based protein powder.  Problem solved. I use a mixture of pea, rice and hemp protein. Zero stomach problems. Pure Pea protein gives me some issues but when it's only part of a blend it isn't bad. Thinking about trying soy protein but the estrogen controversy stops me. Orgain and Vega one tastes great and for me zero problems. Egg protein is expensive and mixes like crap. The cheapest way to go is to buy eggs and cook them.

Forgot to include this in my previous post, but another factor in gassiness is probably the fact that I add about a cup of raw kale or bok choy to 2 of my daily shakes. Honestly, I was probably looking for a reason to get off of EAS soy as quickly as possible, but I reread this and ordered some Naked Rice. I'll see how it goes.

[Al Doggity]

No, bodybuilders should do their own research or buy a thick textbook on nutrition and find out things.

This is a forum where we all have opinions. No one changes what they believe about training or nutrition no matter what.

People really are sheep when it comes to beliefs. Yet they are quick to attack others. wtf is that?

Most who post regularly on this board have a few years of adulthood under our belts. I've experimented with different levels of protein intake and more gets me closer to the results I want. You're saying ignore conventional wisdom, scientific evidence and our own experiences to hew to an idea that you haven't provided any reasons to do so for.

[jude2]

100 grams isnt enough for me. Even 200. To grow i need near 300 gram a day, and i am a tinytit.
Now if you want to bodybuild for life, i surely wont recomend high protein diets for years.

Agreed.  I have never seen people grow off of 100 grams of protein.  Little girls eat that much. They must eat like birds.

[Van_Bilderass]

I forgot. You're the only expert here on GetBig.

You ignore, or most likely, never do any research and read actual scientific studies and rely on your
on personal bias, i.e., broscience.

Amazing.

It's very frustrating to debate Vince, he refuses to do it, just does what he accuses others' of, personal attacks and putdowns

He is right, no one is changing HIS mind.

[Vince B]

It's very frustrating to debate Vince, he refuses to do it, just does what he accuses others' of, personal attacks and putdowns

He is right, no one is changing HIS mind.

What debate? I merely made a statement about protein requirement and that is all. Believe what you like. This isn't the forum to

have an intellectual discussion.

[Griffith]

No, bodybuilders should do their own research or buy a thick textbook on nutrition and find out things.

This is a forum where we all have opinions. No one changes what they believe about training or nutrition no matter what.

People really are sheep when it comes to beliefs. Yet they are quick to attack others. wtf is that?

From my own experiences, more or less protein makes no difference, as long as I'm eating 3 relatively healthy meals a day with enough calories.

[pellius]

No, bodybuilders should do their own research or buy a thick textbook on nutrition and find out things.

This is a forum where we all have opinions. No one changes what they believe about training or nutrition no matter what.

People really are sheep when it comes to beliefs. Yet they are quick to attack others. wtf is that?

"No one changes their opinions about training and nutrition?" Really? You're saying I have not change my thinking one iota in the last 45 years that I have been involved in resistance training and nutrition. Speak for yourself, my friend. This whole thread started because someone found a novel way to ingest protein powders and possibly alleviate a very common problem. The salient feature in your posts is how you accuse others of doing exactly what you do: dogmatic, lack of scientific research and references, zero proof, constant attacks. There are few here that read your posts and complaints and not say, "Wait a minute! That's what YOU do!" You yourself mentioned that I have cut back drastically on my protein intake and you played a part in changing my thinking. I've gone from 300g/day to about 90-100g/day. I completely changed the way I approached calf training and transformed my peg legs into my most "prominent" (as my doctor recently described them).

It seems I've gone through a lot of variations of training and nutrition over the last 40 plus years. And I'm still at it. When was the last time you went to the gym consistently for a least a month?

Marty Champions is an extreme example of one constantly experimenting on nutritional protocols.

No one changes their thinking? No one exemplifies a fossilized mind such as you do. And that's not an attack but a statement of fact with your own posts as concrete proof. And I know you will not give a nano second for self reflection. I believe you have a reach a state in life that your brain simply lacks the ability, not to mention desire, to ever question yourself.

Like I said, speak for yourself.